RE: Porsche Cayenne Turbo
Discussion
Rob_R said:
Usually the type of people who dislike them haven't actually driven one yet.
I agree - they don't like the image, which is understandable, rather than not like the drive of it.
I drove the old turbo and the S and was blown away. Turns out I bought an M5 (E39) instead, but there was little between it and the turbo except the M5 was half the money - actually that's still the case even with the massive depreciation of the Cayenne.
chumley-warner said:
Rob_R said:
Usually the type of people who dislike them haven't actually driven one yet.
I agree - they don't like the image, which is understandable, rather than not like the drive of it.
I drove the old turbo and the S and was blown away. Turns out I bought an M5 (E39) instead, but there was little between it and the turbo except the M5 was half the money - actually that's still the case even with the massive depreciation of the Cayenne.
Just to add my opinion! I own a Cayenne S, and a TVR Griffith, possibly the best looking car ever designed, against one that looks a lot better from the inside out. I live in the NE of scotland, and in my business need a 4 x 4 as I travel to a lot of remote locations. I also have two kids and want to enjoy my daily drive. The cayenne averages about 18.5 mpg and accross country is awesome, it has every luxury I want inside and in my opinion has a great interior and a far superior ride quality with the air suspension than any of it's compeition, has never gotten stuck (and I've tried it in places it shouldn't go as well!) and can still blast me down the motorway when needed a lot more quietly than an X5 can. If you live in the centre of London I can understand that it is not an essential piece of kit.
When the sun comes out and I want a fun drive, it's TVR all the way.....
At the end of the day, is it not right that we all have the chance to make our own decisions? Surely the sheer variety of cars made today shows that everyone have their own criteria, taste and budget. Why abuse someone for making a personal choice, just because it differs from your own.
If you want it buy it, if you don't,..... don't!
Griff
Rob_R said:
The new Cayenne is a belter IMO. Best SUV money can buy.
I suggest you need to pay a visit....
www.sinepenis.com/
Edited by fatboy b on Saturday 17th February 17:28
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henry-f said:
Please ! The Cayenne might not be to everyone`s taste visually but it drives and handles like nothing else. I`ve sold a few Jeep Cherokee`s and often get given one as a hire car in the states. I`m familiar with dodge`s product line up having a ram on the fleet but couldn`t imagine Jeep thought it safe to bestow any more power to it`s cherokee.
But they have. No, honestly I kid you not. Owners of the old 4.0 litre offering will remember 12 to the gallon for absolutely nothing back by way of performance.
Prepare yourself for a real treat. But sit down and get a cushion ready to muffle the laughter.
Porsche must be quaking in their boots
Henry
But they have. No, honestly I kid you not. Owners of the old 4.0 litre offering will remember 12 to the gallon for absolutely nothing back by way of performance.
Prepare yourself for a real treat. But sit down and get a cushion ready to muffle the laughter.
Porsche must be quaking in their boots
Henry
Edited by Henry-F on Saturday 17th February 01:10
Oh dear and they called the Cayenne ugly!
Rob_R said:
How many cars do you guys know that can give Caymans a hounding on the race track then go off road with the best of them? I don't know many either.
The two things that 99% of Cayannes are the least likely to do...more like....
How many cars can drop Britney off to her comprehenive school (dad spent school fees on the monthy PCP for the Cayanne) and then whisk mum off to the tanning salon.
paracetamol said:
Rob_R said:
How many cars do you guys know that can give Caymans a hounding on the race track then go off road with the best of them? I don't know many either.
The two things that 99% of Cayannes are the least likely to do...more like....
How many cars can drop Britney off to her comprehenive school (dad spent school fees on the monthy PCP for the Cayanne) and then whisk mum off to the tanning salon.
Absolutley!
paracetamol said:
How many cars can drop Britney off to her comprehenive school (dad spent school fees on the monthy PCP for the Cayanne) and then whisk mum off to the tanning salon.
Stereotypical but funny... I would have thought a 3-series BMW would have been the prime stereotype for the above personally... everyone knows the Cayenne owner would own a string of tanning saloon outlets.
Whatever the demographic is for the Porsche Cayenne (I do not know what it is) I must say it is a bloody good drive and is very competent off-road and by all accounts the new one is even more accomplished.
Edited by nbetts on Monday 19th February 13:16
nbetts said:
I would have thought a 3-series BMW would have been the prime stereotype for the above personally....
Nah..these are bought only by people who would previously have been forced to have a Mondeo as a company car but now have more of a choice...the X3 on the other hand...now thats prime Britney's mum fodder
Edited by paracetamol on Monday 19th February 13:19
paracetamol said:
Rob_R said:
How many cars do you guys know that can give Caymans a hounding on the race track then go off road with the best of them? I don't know many either.
The two things that 99% of Cayannes are the least likely to do...more like....
I agree, but a Cayenne can do those things rather well for a vehicle of its size. Whether you like it or not it is an excellent vehicle.
Just for the record, I would never buy one.
bean455 said:
Sorry guys,these cars are brilliant.Give it a routine,shopping with her indoors,no problem,blasting to Monte Carlo,no problem,off roading in the Welsh hills,no problem.The build quality is fantastic,residuals are bad,so buy a sensibly priced used beast.Fuel consumption best I ever got was 14mpg.I love them.Going to new model launch tomorrow.
It's the new Impreza for the minted. It's supercar performance, supercar handling, GT long distance and safe in a family wagon. It's not for me but it's a great wagon, just like the Scooby. They both do something cars of their ilk shouldn't do.
Rob_R said:
paracetamol said:
Rob_R said:
How many cars do you guys know that can give Caymans a hounding on the race track then go off road with the best of them? I don't know many either.
The two things that 99% of Cayannes are the least likely to do...more like....
I agree, but a Cayenne can do those things rather well for a vehicle of its size. Whether you like it or not it is an excellent vehicle.
Just for the record, I would never buy one.
How is it excellent??- it would have been "excellent" if it weighed around 1700kg and had a hybrid engine etc- instead its just a badging excercise-its just lazy engineering on a big budget- ie strap on a huge engine and add some electronics and a Porsche Badge and the latest followers of fashion will blindly follow.
Where is the engineering??? Where is the progress??
I bet if Kia were confident that they could sell £70k Jeep that they'd come up with a car every bit as good as a Cayanne (and maybe less ugly). However I bet they could never deilver a 997 or Boxster competitor
paracetamol said:
How is it excellent??- it would have been "excellent" if it weighed around 1700kg and had a hybrid engine etc- instead its just a badging excercise-its just lazy engineering on a big budget- ie strap on a huge engine and add some electronics and a Porsche Badge and the latest followers of fashion will blindly follow.
Where is the engineering??? Where is the progress??
Where is the engineering??? Where is the progress??
What planet are you on ?
Have you ever actually driven a Cayenne Turbo? It isn`t just an SUV that someone`s strapped a big engine to and fitted some electrics to stop it toppling over. Fundamantally it`s a fantastic handling car, a shame the same can`t be said about the Range Rover.
Porsche have, together with Volkswagen, produced an incredible vehicle. It has the ability to go off road, you may never put it to the test in that way but it is just as capable as a Range Rover if you wanted to. The clever part is that it`s on road ability isn`t compromised one little bit by it`s off road capability. It is fundamentally a good handling car on the road. The electronics are used no more than the ones on your Boxster.
Why did it need a Hybrid engine? Is your Boxster any less of a car because it can`t run on chicken shit or the left overs from Sunday dinner. My Dodge Ram runs on LPG, has a massive engine but is still, in vehicle technology terms a Dinosaur.
Compare a Cayenne turbo to a 1975 Range Rover, the grand daddy of the SUV market and tell me there isn`t any progress.
Henry
Edited by Henry-F on Monday 19th February 18:22
Henry-F said:
paracetamol said:
How is it excellent??- it would have been "excellent" if it weighed around 1700kg and had a hybrid engine etc- instead its just a badging excercise-its just lazy engineering on a big budget- ie strap on a huge engine and add some electronics and a Porsche Badge and the latest followers of fashion will blindly follow.
Where is the engineering??? Where is the progress??
Where is the engineering??? Where is the progress??
What planet are you on ?
Have you ever actually driven a Cayenne Turbo? It isn`t just an SUV that someone`s strapped a big engine to and fitted some electrics to stop it toppling over. Fundamantally it`s a fantastic handling car, a shame the same can`t be said about the Range Rover.
Porsche have, together with Volkswagen, produced an incredible vehicle. It has the ability to go off road, you may never put it to the test in that way but it is just as capable as a Range Rover if you wanted to. The clever part is that it`s on road ability isn`t compromised one little bit by it`s off road capability. It is fundamentally a good handling car on the road. The electronics are used no more than the ones on your Boxster.
Why did it need a Hybrid engine? Is your Boxster any less of a car because it can`t run on chicken shit or the left overs from Sunday dinner. My Dodge Ram runs on LPG, has a massive engine but is still, in vehicle technology terms a Dinosaur.
Compare a Cayenne turbo to a 1975 Range Rover, the grand daddy of the SUV market and tell me there isn`t any progress.
Henry
For what it is, there's no doubting the Cayenne's ability. I'm second guessing here, but I think paracetomol's point concerned the fact that the Cayenne is perhaps more of a badge-engineering exercise than some gigantic lump of Porsche brilliance writ large in metal, and looking at pictures of the new one, he may well be thinking - 'big deal'. Have you tried the Touareg, incidentally? It's a superb piece of kit. Probably better built than a Cayenne; certainly much better looking and better value, and whilst not as overtly sporting, no slouch on or off road if you're into that sort of thing. The Touareg V10 diesel in particular is a mighty piece of kit for a 4x4.
If I read paracetomol's thoughts correctly, then he may well feel as I do, that it was a shame afetr VW engineered their Touareg that Porsche didn't push the boat out and make its version something a little more svelte and in keeping with the company's sporting roots, rather than an ugly and corpulent barge with a range of gigantic engines. That's what everyone else is doing. With all of their empty 'Ing' bullsh1t and rhetoric, I'd have hoped for something a bit more from Porsche's engineers. Is a Cayenne better than a Range Rover? Dynamically, yes. In every other regard, probably no. Whoop-dee do. Hurray for Porsche.
Interestingly, a few of these arguments makes me consider the similarities between the new Cayenne and the new 997 Turbo.
Both examples of engineering excellence, both pushing the limits, both luxury items intended for those who don't rate £85k (no-one buys these without options!) as huge amounts of money... and both intended for people who probably won't regularly (if ever) use the extreme functionality these amazing machines are capable of delivering.
Anyway, as for my opinion? I had one on loan for a week last year and thought it was brilliant. Wouldn't buy one as it's too much.. If I was in the position to buy one, I'd probably also have a house with acres of land, a swimming pool, 10 rooms, wonderful views, triple garage with a donkey inside, etc... and then I wouldn't say it's too much and would have one!!
Both examples of engineering excellence, both pushing the limits, both luxury items intended for those who don't rate £85k (no-one buys these without options!) as huge amounts of money... and both intended for people who probably won't regularly (if ever) use the extreme functionality these amazing machines are capable of delivering.
Anyway, as for my opinion? I had one on loan for a week last year and thought it was brilliant. Wouldn't buy one as it's too much.. If I was in the position to buy one, I'd probably also have a house with acres of land, a swimming pool, 10 rooms, wonderful views, triple garage with a donkey inside, etc... and then I wouldn't say it's too much and would have one!!
loach said:
Henry-F said:
paracetamol said:
How is it excellent??- it would have been "excellent" if it weighed around 1700kg and had a hybrid engine etc- instead its just a badging excercise-its just lazy engineering on a big budget- ie strap on a huge engine and add some electronics and a Porsche Badge and the latest followers of fashion will blindly follow.
Where is the engineering??? Where is the progress??
Where is the engineering??? Where is the progress??
What planet are you on ?
Have you ever actually driven a Cayenne Turbo? It isn`t just an SUV that someone`s strapped a big engine to and fitted some electrics to stop it toppling over. Fundamantally it`s a fantastic handling car, a shame the same can`t be said about the Range Rover.
Porsche have, together with Volkswagen, produced an incredible vehicle. It has the ability to go off road, you may never put it to the test in that way but it is just as capable as a Range Rover if you wanted to. The clever part is that it`s on road ability isn`t compromised one little bit by it`s off road capability. It is fundamentally a good handling car on the road. The electronics are used no more than the ones on your Boxster.
Why did it need a Hybrid engine? Is your Boxster any less of a car because it can`t run on chicken shit or the left overs from Sunday dinner. My Dodge Ram runs on LPG, has a massive engine but is still, in vehicle technology terms a Dinosaur.
Compare a Cayenne turbo to a 1975 Range Rover, the grand daddy of the SUV market and tell me there isn`t any progress.
Henry
For what it is, there's no doubting the Cayenne's ability. I'm second guessing here, but I think paracetomol's point concerned the fact that the Cayenne is perhaps more of a badge-engineering exercise than some gigantic lump of Porsche brilliance writ large in metal, and looking at pictures of the new one, he may well be thinking - 'big deal'. Have you tried the Touareg, incidentally? It's a superb piece of kit. Probably better built than a Cayenne; certainly much better looking and better value, and whilst not as overtly sporting, no slouch on or off road if you're into that sort of thing. The Touareg V10 diesel in particular is a mighty piece of kit for a 4x4.
If I read paracetomol's thoughts correctly, then he may well feel as I do, that it was a shame afetr VW engineered their Touareg that Porsche didn't push the boat out and make its version something a little more svelte and in keeping with the company's sporting roots, rather than an ugly and corpulent barge with a range of gigantic engines. That's what everyone else is doing. With all of their empty 'Ing' bullsh1t and rhetoric, I'd have hoped for something a bit more from Porsche's engineers. Is a Cayenne better than a Range Rover? Dynamically, yes. In every other regard, probably no. Whoop-dee do. Hurray for Porsche.
you read my thoughts.
At least the VW Touoreg is what it is..a well engineered derivative (just like the Golf is a derivative of the hatchback genre). The Cayanne is nothing but a cynical attempt by Porsche to cash in on a passing fashion fad..and a fad it is..check the recent sales, a need for such an early redesign, poor residuals.. I am far more excited by the Panameica (?) looks like Porsche may do what they should have done in the first place if they felt the need to sell cars to people who once they had kids moved away from the brand..
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