RE: Porsche Cayenne Turbo
Discussion
paracetamol said:
How is it excellent??- it would have been "excellent" if it weighed around 1700kg and had a hybrid engine etc- instead its just a badging excercise-its just lazy engineering on a big budget- ie strap on a huge engine and add some electronics and a Porsche Badge and the latest followers of fashion will blindly follow.
Lazy engineering? Well, you are just plain wrong about that. Try getting an SUV to weigh 1700kgs. - next to impossible.
paracetamol said:
I bet if Kia were confident that they could sell £70k Jeep that they'd come up with a car every bit as good as a Cayanne (and maybe less ugly). However I bet they could never deilver a 997 or Boxster competitor
Somehow I sincerely doubt that Kia could come up with something every bit as good given the same budget. Delivering a 997 or Boxster alternative would be a less daunting task!
It doesn't actually matter whether you think it is a 'badging exercise' or not (it may well be) but my point is that no other SUV on the market can manage to have class leading dynamics then be competent off-road. Disproving your point that Kia can do it also.
Rob_R said:
paracetamol said:
How is it excellent??- it would have been "excellent" if it weighed around 1700kg and had a hybrid engine etc- instead its just a badging excercise-its just lazy engineering on a big budget- ie strap on a huge engine and add some electronics and a Porsche Badge and the latest followers of fashion will blindly follow.
Lazy engineering? Well, you are just plain wrong about that. Try getting an SUV to weigh 1700kgs. - next to impossible.
paracetamol said:
I bet if Kia were confident that they could sell £70k Jeep that they'd come up with a car every bit as good as a Cayanne (and maybe less ugly). However I bet they could never deilver a 997 or Boxster competitor
Somehow I sincerely doubt that Kia could come up with something every bit as good given the same budget. Delivering a 997 or Boxster alternative would be a less daunting task!
It doesn't actually matter whether you think it is a 'badging exercise' or not (it may well be) but my point is that no other SUV on the market can manage to have class leading dynamics then be competent off-road. Disproving your point that Kia can do it also.
Just realised you are in Cape Town (God I love that place!)..and so we may be facing a cultural divide..The tide is turning against 4x4s in the UK. just as the GTI market died in the UK after insurers decided enough was enough, so too the 4x4 market will die once the government and consumers realise their inefficiency and profligate consumption is no longer socially acceptable.
Porsche should have sought inspiration from the Ford S Max..I predict that these will be the replacement for SUVs. They have the same characteristics (tall and airy) but do without the 4x4 gubins and all the crap that is needed to go off road and to keep the car from tilting over on road. At the price Porsche is able to command for its cars there is no reason that it could not have engineered it to weigh 1800kgs.
paracetamol said:
I am far more excited by the Panameica (?) looks like Porsche may do what they should have done in the first place if they felt the need to sell cars to people who once they had kids moved away from the brand..
You need to get yourself down the Bentley dealers my man. The Flying Spur already exists. Great handling, faster than a speeding bullet, enough room in the back to throw a basket ball player`s wife swapping party. A boot that defies the laws of space management (you`d swear the boot extended half way into the rear seating compartment). A decent badge when you pitch up somewhere new and they even do a GT as a second car for when you`re on your own, oddly enough for exactly the same price as the larger Flying Spur. (let`s see how Porsche`s 4 door stacks up with the equivalent 911 price-wise.
The problem is that no matter how good the Flying Spur is (and it is good, I`ve driven it quite a lot), it still lacks the versatility of a Cayenne. Saloon cars, the Panamerica included, will always suffer this shortfall. If you have a family and enjoy an active & varied lifestyle you`ll know what I mean. In the old days it was out with the roof rack, some plastic sheet and a little trailer. We`ve moved on since then.
Henry
Edited by Henry-F on Tuesday 20th February 11:14
Henry-F said:
paracetamol said:
I am far more excited by the Panameica (?) looks like Porsche may do what they should have done in the first place if they felt the need to sell cars to people who once they had kids moved away from the brand..
You need to get yourself down the Bentley dealers my man. The Flying Spur already exists. Great handling, faster than a speeding bullet, enough room in the back to throw a basket ball player`s wife swapping party. A boot that defies the laws of space management (you`d swear the boot extended half way into the rear seating compartment). A decent badge when you pitch up somewhere new and they even do a GT as a second car for when you`re on your own, oddly enough for exactly the same price as the larger Flying Spur. (let`s see how Porsche`s 4 door stacks up with the equivalent 911 price-wise.
The problem is that no matter how good the Flying Spur is (and it is good, I`ve driven it quite a lot), it still lacks the versatility of a Cayenne. Saloon cars, the Panamerica included, will always suffer this shortfall. If you have a family and enjoy an active & varied lifestyle you`ll know what I mean. In the old days it was out with the roof rack, some plastic sheet and a little trailer. We`ve moved on since then.
Henry
Edited by Henry-F on Tuesday 20th February 11:14
Henry ever heard of an estate ?
Henry-F said:
If you have a family and enjoy an active & varied lifestyle you`ll know what I mean. In the old days it was out with the roof rack, some plastic sheet and a little trailer. We`ve moved on since then.
Henry
Edited by Henry-F on Tuesday 20th February 11:14
There's the rub- we grew up in a family using a volvo estate and an Audi 80-we managed really well..it seems that every parent now feels the need to have a 4x4 "for the sake of the kids" together with a play station and "tellies" (once the preserve of drug dealers in M3s, to watch whilst waiting for their next "client"
. The need for an SUV is an Americanism (just as the Cayanne is)..and just as McDonalds and American Foreign policy is falling out of favour..so too will the need for SUVs..
As a 6 year old I used to have my night time bath in an cold bathroom with just a portable parafin heater to keep the chill off me privates, and I really did, I`m not making it up.
Obviously never did me any harm as I`ve survived until 40 but one of the rooms in my current house that gives me the most pleasure is the new bathroom with it`s walk in shower, large roll top bath, travertine tiled walls & floor, close fitting toilet, oversized heated towel rail and under floor heating.
Some people get by in life. Others enjoy the journey.
Henry
Obviously never did me any harm as I`ve survived until 40 but one of the rooms in my current house that gives me the most pleasure is the new bathroom with it`s walk in shower, large roll top bath, travertine tiled walls & floor, close fitting toilet, oversized heated towel rail and under floor heating.
Some people get by in life. Others enjoy the journey.
Henry
Henry-F said:
As a 6 year old I used to have my night time bath in an cold bathroom with just a portable parafin heater to keep the chill off me privates, and I really did, I`m not making it up.
Obviously never did me any harm as I`ve survived until 40 but one of the rooms in my current house that gives me the most pleasure is the new bathroom with it`s walk in shower, large roll top bath, travertine tiled walls & floor, close fitting toilet, oversized heated towel rail and under floor heating.
Some people get by in life. Others enjoy the journey.
Henry
Obviously never did me any harm as I`ve survived until 40 but one of the rooms in my current house that gives me the most pleasure is the new bathroom with it`s walk in shower, large roll top bath, travertine tiled walls & floor, close fitting toilet, oversized heated towel rail and under floor heating.
Some people get by in life. Others enjoy the journey.
Henry
Have you heard of Maslow??? I think you'll find somethings benefit humanity and progress whilst others are simply a luxury too far.. I personally would feel better about ensuring my kid understands that the world is full of struggles and needs to be independent enough to survive as opposed to be cocooned in the back of air conditioned luxury (compelete with Playstation) and and ferried between school, the seven bedroomed house and the stables. These are the tough choices I'll be facing from June (when my 1st is due) but suffice it to say,the last thing I will be doing is going out to buy an SUV for "the child's sake"... (a Panamerica perhaps..)
Edited to say...Henry-seems like you've worked hard for it and deserve it but I've just seen one too many kid who has it so easy these days (and these have tended to be the ones whose parents drive SUVs)
Edited by paracetamol on Tuesday 20th February 12:00
We`ll see in June !
Allow your child to grow and develop as they see fit. Nurture them but don`t compare them to others or push them in the direction you want them to go. Always tell them you love them and are really proud of them. You can`t tell a child you love them too often. Hugs and cuddles are free - give them generously as you`ll treasure them for the rest of your life.
Protect your child but don`t fight their battles for them. There will be times when you think they are being led by fads or peer group pressure but don`t take a stand and make them the odd one out. When your 6 year old daughter says she wants a football card album because other kids are swapping cards in the playground let her have one. You know it`s a marketing ploy, I know it`s a marketing ploy but if fifty quid lets her interact with her friends and have some fun what the hell. Ditto when she wants a Nintendo DS. You don`t have to fit screens in the headrests.
You can never read to them too much or allow them to read to you too often. Ditto drawing.
Above all enjoy the ride. They`ll have you in stitches of laughter and floods of tears.
Finally let them fit into your life rather than you running your whole life around them. This sounds cruel and wrong but it isn`t. By all means spend every evening running them to football / dancing / pottery / cubs or guides / gymnastics or what ever floats their boat, but when you go out for a meal take them with you. Allow them to interact with adults. As babies don`t turn your house into a museum where you could hear a pin drop when they are asleep. Carry on as normal. You`ll only wake them once and they`ll sleep through the rest!
Oh yes, and if they`re hungry let them eat, if they aren`t don`t force them and turn meal times into a battle.
There you have it. All you need then is a nice Cayenne to protect the new family and afford you the sporty drive that let`s you know you`re not just a dad but a bloke as well.
Good luck in June.
Henry
Allow your child to grow and develop as they see fit. Nurture them but don`t compare them to others or push them in the direction you want them to go. Always tell them you love them and are really proud of them. You can`t tell a child you love them too often. Hugs and cuddles are free - give them generously as you`ll treasure them for the rest of your life.
Protect your child but don`t fight their battles for them. There will be times when you think they are being led by fads or peer group pressure but don`t take a stand and make them the odd one out. When your 6 year old daughter says she wants a football card album because other kids are swapping cards in the playground let her have one. You know it`s a marketing ploy, I know it`s a marketing ploy but if fifty quid lets her interact with her friends and have some fun what the hell. Ditto when she wants a Nintendo DS. You don`t have to fit screens in the headrests.
You can never read to them too much or allow them to read to you too often. Ditto drawing.
Above all enjoy the ride. They`ll have you in stitches of laughter and floods of tears.
Finally let them fit into your life rather than you running your whole life around them. This sounds cruel and wrong but it isn`t. By all means spend every evening running them to football / dancing / pottery / cubs or guides / gymnastics or what ever floats their boat, but when you go out for a meal take them with you. Allow them to interact with adults. As babies don`t turn your house into a museum where you could hear a pin drop when they are asleep. Carry on as normal. You`ll only wake them once and they`ll sleep through the rest!
Oh yes, and if they`re hungry let them eat, if they aren`t don`t force them and turn meal times into a battle.
There you have it. All you need then is a nice Cayenne to protect the new family and afford you the sporty drive that let`s you know you`re not just a dad but a bloke as well.
Good luck in June.
Henry
Henry-F said:
As a 6 year old I used to have my night time bath in an cold bathroom with just a portable parafin heater to keep the chill off me privates...
Yow wur loochy...if it'd raihn'd, thar wur 5 o'us used t'ave bath in t'puddle owtsaad back o' house, an' mam would wash uz wi' rock - if we wur loochy.
funny how the locals in lincoln are like the UKs version of hicks in america, not all i might add, but there is alot of inbreds round these parts.
and there seems to be higher beard to bloke ratio here too, ohh and girls with BIG feet, somthing I could never work out.
then you have the special people up in the wolds, market rasen, etc, 7 fingers, etc.
and there seems to be higher beard to bloke ratio here too, ohh and girls with BIG feet, somthing I could never work out.
then you have the special people up in the wolds, market rasen, etc, 7 fingers, etc.
Good to know what you think of your current neighbours Gary, I`m sure they would be delighted. Sadly poverty is poverty where ever you are in the world.
Re: sharing the bath water: one of the benefits of an institutional life. Be thankfull you didn`t have to leave the comfort of your bedroom until you were good & ready.
Henry
Re: sharing the bath water: one of the benefits of an institutional life. Be thankfull you didn`t have to leave the comfort of your bedroom until you were good & ready.
Henry
Henry-F said:
We`ll see in June !
Allow your child to grow and develop as they see fit. Nurture them but don`t compare them to others or push them in the direction you want them to go. Always tell them you love them and are really proud of them. You can`t tell a child you love them too often. Hugs and cuddles are free - give them generously as you`ll treasure them for the rest of your life.
Protect your child but don`t fight their battles for them. There will be times when you think they are being led by fads or peer group pressure but don`t take a stand and make them the odd one out. When your 6 year old daughter says she wants a football card album because other kids are swapping cards in the playground let her have one. You know it`s a marketing ploy, I know it`s a marketing ploy but if fifty quid lets her interact with her friends and have some fun what the hell. Ditto when she wants a Nintendo DS. You don`t have to fit screens in the headrests.
You can never read to them too much or allow them to read to you too often. Ditto drawing.
Above all enjoy the ride. They`ll have you in stitches of laughter and floods of tears.
Finally let them fit into your life rather than you running your whole life around them. This sounds cruel and wrong but it isn`t. By all means spend every evening running them to football / dancing / pottery / cubs or guides / gymnastics or what ever floats their boat, but when you go out for a meal take them with you. Allow them to interact with adults. As babies don`t turn your house into a museum where you could hear a pin drop when they are asleep. Carry on as normal. You`ll only wake them once and they`ll sleep through the rest!
Oh yes, and if they`re hungry let them eat, if they aren`t don`t force them and turn meal times into a battle.
There you have it. All you need then is a nice Cayenne to protect the new family and afford you the sporty drive that let`s you know you`re not just a dad but a bloke as well.
Good luck in June.
Henry
Allow your child to grow and develop as they see fit. Nurture them but don`t compare them to others or push them in the direction you want them to go. Always tell them you love them and are really proud of them. You can`t tell a child you love them too often. Hugs and cuddles are free - give them generously as you`ll treasure them for the rest of your life.
Protect your child but don`t fight their battles for them. There will be times when you think they are being led by fads or peer group pressure but don`t take a stand and make them the odd one out. When your 6 year old daughter says she wants a football card album because other kids are swapping cards in the playground let her have one. You know it`s a marketing ploy, I know it`s a marketing ploy but if fifty quid lets her interact with her friends and have some fun what the hell. Ditto when she wants a Nintendo DS. You don`t have to fit screens in the headrests.
You can never read to them too much or allow them to read to you too often. Ditto drawing.
Above all enjoy the ride. They`ll have you in stitches of laughter and floods of tears.
Finally let them fit into your life rather than you running your whole life around them. This sounds cruel and wrong but it isn`t. By all means spend every evening running them to football / dancing / pottery / cubs or guides / gymnastics or what ever floats their boat, but when you go out for a meal take them with you. Allow them to interact with adults. As babies don`t turn your house into a museum where you could hear a pin drop when they are asleep. Carry on as normal. You`ll only wake them once and they`ll sleep through the rest!
Oh yes, and if they`re hungry let them eat, if they aren`t don`t force them and turn meal times into a battle.
There you have it. All you need then is a nice Cayenne to protect the new family and afford you the sporty drive that let`s you know you`re not just a dad but a bloke as well.
Good luck in June.
Henry
Right on your page Henry. Our second was born in January, yep we owned an estate and a 4x4, now we're down to just the estate and still hunting for the right Cayenne.
Still, sod the car info, couldn't agree more with your thoughts on anklebiters
Know what you mean about the bath water, and I still remember ice on the inside of the windows in winter 
, but it doesn't mean I now expect my kids to have to tolerate that - nope, and stranely the government would rather I didn't either as I'm being kinder to the trees by having double glazing... My elder daughter was very ill on saturday, and despite having only got out of the office at 0530, I was up with her at 0745, lying on the sofa watching endless Tweenies and Tellytubbies going quietly insane. Couldn't beat the cuddles though, with the two of us tucked up under a rug. Incredible feeling. One of the times I've been closest to crashing the car was driving to dinner with her in her car seat. For no apparent reason she had a fit of giggles, and we were in stitches just listening to her sniggering away for a good half an hour or so! The only time you'll ever get unconditional love is from your children, don't waste it, recieve it with thanks and return it with interest.
So yes, around here we're going to have to go a long way to get them to all their clubs and friends, it's called the countryside. Perhaps we're cruel parents for living in the country, and should flagellate ourselves repeatedly and totally crush our standard of living by moving back into a city. Oh and buy an electric car with no room for two adults, two kiddies and all their paraphenalia... Or then again perhaps we find joy in seeing the kids running free in the fields, having the time of their lives, falling out of trees, climbing over fences, playing conkers and generally doing everything we're told we should protect them from. I hate to quote a Blockbuster movie, but the line from Batman Begins sums it up for me - "Why do we fall down? So we can learn to pick ourselves up again". Let them live a little... Couldn't agree with you more.
Anyway back to the car
As I said, we have both an estate and 4x4 and chose to take the kids out in the 4x4. Yes the boot on the estate is marginally bigger, and the latter is more economical. However, nicety though it may be, it's remarkable how much easier it is to deal with kids in the 4x4 - simple exercises such as lifting them in and out of their seats at chest height is so much easier than trying to do it by bending down to get them into the estate. Not the end of the world, but for us a major consideration.
For those who keep recommending the Touareg over the Cayenne, I would ask whether they have even driven them back to back? They are very very different beasts. Yes the V10 diesel is an incredible engine, but the ride and handling are incomparable - the Cayenne was taught and controlled yet with the air suspension, still pliant, whereas the Toerag did it's best impression of an overloaded supertanker in heavy seas... not comfy, and the quickest route to Synchronised 4-way vomiting I can think of. Oh and they are totally comparable on price - we've been looking around the £30k mark, for which we can have either a 03 Cayenne S with all the toys, or an 03 Toerag V10, likewise specced up, and both with 30k on the clock...
*puts flame suit back on and waits for the torrents of abuse....*
Henry-F said:
We`ll see in June !
Allow your child to grow and develop as they see fit. Nurture them but don`t compare them to others or push them in the direction you want them to go. Always tell them you love them and are really proud of them. You can`t tell a child you love them too often. Hugs and cuddles are free - give them generously as you`ll treasure them for the rest of your life.
Protect your child but don`t fight their battles for them. There will be times when you think they are being led by fads or peer group pressure but don`t take a stand and make them the odd one out. When your 6 year old daughter says she wants a football card album because other kids are swapping cards in the playground let her have one. You know it`s a marketing ploy, I know it`s a marketing ploy but if fifty quid lets her interact with her friends and have some fun what the hell. Ditto when she wants a Nintendo DS. You don`t have to fit screens in the headrests.
You can never read to them too much or allow them to read to you too often. Ditto drawing.
Above all enjoy the ride. They`ll have you in stitches of laughter and floods of tears.
Finally let them fit into your life rather than you running your whole life around them. This sounds cruel and wrong but it isn`t. By all means spend every evening running them to football / dancing / pottery / cubs or guides / gymnastics or what ever floats their boat, but when you go out for a meal take them with you. Allow them to interact with adults. As babies don`t turn your house into a museum where you could hear a pin drop when they are asleep. Carry on as normal. You`ll only wake them once and they`ll sleep through the rest!
Oh yes, and if they`re hungry let them eat, if they aren`t don`t force them and turn meal times into a battle.
There you have it. All you need then is a nice Cayenne to protect the new family and afford you the sporty drive that let`s you know you`re not just a dad but a bloke as well.
Good luck in June.
Henry
Allow your child to grow and develop as they see fit. Nurture them but don`t compare them to others or push them in the direction you want them to go. Always tell them you love them and are really proud of them. You can`t tell a child you love them too often. Hugs and cuddles are free - give them generously as you`ll treasure them for the rest of your life.
Protect your child but don`t fight their battles for them. There will be times when you think they are being led by fads or peer group pressure but don`t take a stand and make them the odd one out. When your 6 year old daughter says she wants a football card album because other kids are swapping cards in the playground let her have one. You know it`s a marketing ploy, I know it`s a marketing ploy but if fifty quid lets her interact with her friends and have some fun what the hell. Ditto when she wants a Nintendo DS. You don`t have to fit screens in the headrests.
You can never read to them too much or allow them to read to you too often. Ditto drawing.
Above all enjoy the ride. They`ll have you in stitches of laughter and floods of tears.
Finally let them fit into your life rather than you running your whole life around them. This sounds cruel and wrong but it isn`t. By all means spend every evening running them to football / dancing / pottery / cubs or guides / gymnastics or what ever floats their boat, but when you go out for a meal take them with you. Allow them to interact with adults. As babies don`t turn your house into a museum where you could hear a pin drop when they are asleep. Carry on as normal. You`ll only wake them once and they`ll sleep through the rest!
Oh yes, and if they`re hungry let them eat, if they aren`t don`t force them and turn meal times into a battle.
There you have it. All you need then is a nice Cayenne to protect the new family and afford you the sporty drive that let`s you know you`re not just a dad but a bloke as well.
Good luck in June.
Henry
Thanks-sounds like very sound advice (and very similar to how was raised) BUT NO CAYANNE!!!!!!!Its just a horrible abortion and signifies all that is wrong in this world of globalisation
redleicester said:
For those who keep recommending the Touareg over the Cayenne, I would ask whether they have even driven them back to back? They are very very different beasts. Yes the V10 diesel is an incredible engine, but the ride and handling are incomparable - the Cayenne was taught and controlled yet with the air suspension, still pliant, whereas the Toerag did it's best impression of an overloaded supertanker in heavy seas... not comfy, and the quickest route to Synchronised 4-way vomiting I can think of. Oh and they are totally comparable on price - we've been looking around the £30k mark, for which we can have either a 03 Cayenne S with all the toys, or an 03 Toerag V10, likewise specced up, and both with 30k on the clock...
*puts flame suit back on and waits for the torrents of abuse....*
I wasn't recommending a Touareg - at least I didn't mean to. I just sort of threw it in there lest people forget that the Cayenne isn't exactly all Porsche's work - it has a better built and better looking cousin. In any event, recommending one over the other is sort of like saying malaria is better than typhus - they're both great fun and all, but I'd rather not have either.
As a second hand buy, if it has to be a 4x4 - I think the Cayenne is worth a look. Definitely. I've had a fair few miles at the wheel of Cayennes, and I didn't hate the experience. For a 2++ ton tank, it makes a great fist of things. It's a GTi tank, but it is a tank. You're better off with a sporty estate unless you really need to get to inaccessible places off-road. But hey - as Henry-f tells us 'till we're blue in the face - variety is the spice of life etc etc, so off you go.
cuneus said:
Henry ever heard of an estate ?
Perhaps it's just me but I find an Estate (i.e. a saloon with a box on the back) just too compromised. For 90% of the time when you're not loaded up with luggage, they are just a saloon with all the inherent space constraints. Sure, you can fold people into saloons and some are very generous with the available space, but (a) I don't want that space as a result of reclining, (b) I like the airiness of headroom and (c) when travelling on a long journey and carrying the inevitable clutter a tall car doesn't suffer from the sense of claustrophobia as a lower roofline car.
I also really dislike 'long' cars, which an Estate/Touring normally is and find it harder to park a long car than a wide car.
At the end of the day, it's down to preference but I see no reason why one size (or type of car) should fit all needs.
paracetamol said:
These are the tough choices I'll be facing from June (when my 1st is due) but suffice it to say,the last thing I will be doing is going out to buy an SUV for "the child's sake"... (a Panamerica perhaps..)
See I just don't understand that, apart from the Panamerica being a few hundred kilos lighter what makes it so much more environmentally or socially acceptable than an SUV?
I have an ML63 which is a hoot to drive and it's only 100 or so kilos heavier than a Merc S63, which is diddly squat. I see them as being two alternatives to a similar need..
I used to hate the look of the Cayenne but have warmed to it recently having test driven a 4.5S. Most impressed with handling, drive etc and felt like a nice place to be.
I may be looking to trade my 911 996 for one as I am going to be doing more miles for work than anticipated (could be 30,000 per year more than I thought!)Its funny because it makes me sad and happy in almost equal measure. I have had the 911 for 6 months now and it has been an immense car but isn’t so suitable for motor way munchin! I will miss the speed/handling and the way the car makes me feel every time I get in it but am quite looking forward to getting something a little more practical (notice I said MORE practical not just practical as I know the 911 is pretty easy to live with) and easy to drive.
I am looking at the Cayenne as I want something bigger and easier to live with (can get the kids in the 911 but its pain, my wife has the family car but I am finding myself doing stuff with the kids more and more), something fast that handles well an still has the presige!
I love the idea of the Cayenne Turbo but am a little worried about running costs etc. Can anyone tell me if it is worth the extra to go for the Turbo? (so I guess pro's Vs Cons type thing??)
Cheers!
I may be looking to trade my 911 996 for one as I am going to be doing more miles for work than anticipated (could be 30,000 per year more than I thought!)Its funny because it makes me sad and happy in almost equal measure. I have had the 911 for 6 months now and it has been an immense car but isn’t so suitable for motor way munchin! I will miss the speed/handling and the way the car makes me feel every time I get in it but am quite looking forward to getting something a little more practical (notice I said MORE practical not just practical as I know the 911 is pretty easy to live with) and easy to drive.
I am looking at the Cayenne as I want something bigger and easier to live with (can get the kids in the 911 but its pain, my wife has the family car but I am finding myself doing stuff with the kids more and more), something fast that handles well an still has the presige!
I love the idea of the Cayenne Turbo but am a little worried about running costs etc. Can anyone tell me if it is worth the extra to go for the Turbo? (so I guess pro's Vs Cons type thing??)
Cheers!
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