One for the turbo boys
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Domster - the saliency of your RS commentary is seminal - but please, the Kings Road jibe is too harsh.
There is for me, an inherent quality in the megadom of high speed canonballing; your Ultima is as likely to thrill you at some insane lick down the Mulsanne Straight as it is cresting the brows at Oulton Park.
Unless, of course, you genuinely do prefer pure 'lateral exploits' all the time?
Don't get me wrong, fifteen minutes round Hethel with Gandalf Kershaw in a Sport 190 is enough to make the most dedicated motoring heretic wet themselves with unrestrained glee - but that is a fundamentally different thrill to the full bore, anvil down, Battlestar Galactica slinghottery of, say, Ultiamaic straightlinism.
Oh bollocks, nobody will ever convince you!
Horses for bleedin' courses, right Guv?
There is for me, an inherent quality in the megadom of high speed canonballing; your Ultima is as likely to thrill you at some insane lick down the Mulsanne Straight as it is cresting the brows at Oulton Park.
Unless, of course, you genuinely do prefer pure 'lateral exploits' all the time?
Don't get me wrong, fifteen minutes round Hethel with Gandalf Kershaw in a Sport 190 is enough to make the most dedicated motoring heretic wet themselves with unrestrained glee - but that is a fundamentally different thrill to the full bore, anvil down, Battlestar Galactica slinghottery of, say, Ultiamaic straightlinism.
Oh bollocks, nobody will ever convince you!
Horses for bleedin' courses, right Guv?
Well three of my collection of cars are particularly relevent, so I guess I can jump 'into the fray'.
I have a 993RS. It is a beautiful classic Porsche, with awesome brakes, handling and sublime rawness. It is quick in a fluid way, rather than a sheer power way. This is my 'track' car.
www.imgmag.org/images/guyratcliffe/993xRSxSmall.jpg
I also have a Skyline GTR R34 which has had more money spent on the engine alone than the RS cost to purchase. It runs approximately 700bhp, on medium boost, through a massive single turbo. It also has 295/35/18 tyres front and rear and 10-pot brakes, so it can corner and stop reasonably well. It is my 'fast road' car.
www.imgmag.org/images/guyratcliffe/BonnetxOpenxR34xSmall.jpg
www.imgmag.org/images/guyratcliffe/FrontxxR34xSmall.jpg
Another car of mine is an an all-out street-drag Skyline R32 GTR. This car is fully lightened (plastic windows, no abs, heater etc). It runs two massive turbos and has proven 950+bhp at the engine (it ran 831bhp at wheels with a mis-fire). This car has virtually locked drag diffs and a 6 speed clutchless sequential dogbox. It has run a quarter-mile in 9.6 seconds at over 150mph. Estimates for 0-60mph and 0-100mph are circa 2 seconds and 4 seconds respectively. This car is insane, it makes no boost until 6000rpm, then hits with circa 1000bhp.
www.imgmag.org/images/guyratcliffe/R32xBonnetxOpen.jpg
Guy
I have a 993RS. It is a beautiful classic Porsche, with awesome brakes, handling and sublime rawness. It is quick in a fluid way, rather than a sheer power way. This is my 'track' car.
www.imgmag.org/images/guyratcliffe/993xRSxSmall.jpg
I also have a Skyline GTR R34 which has had more money spent on the engine alone than the RS cost to purchase. It runs approximately 700bhp, on medium boost, through a massive single turbo. It also has 295/35/18 tyres front and rear and 10-pot brakes, so it can corner and stop reasonably well. It is my 'fast road' car.
www.imgmag.org/images/guyratcliffe/BonnetxOpenxR34xSmall.jpg
www.imgmag.org/images/guyratcliffe/FrontxxR34xSmall.jpg
Another car of mine is an an all-out street-drag Skyline R32 GTR. This car is fully lightened (plastic windows, no abs, heater etc). It runs two massive turbos and has proven 950+bhp at the engine (it ran 831bhp at wheels with a mis-fire). This car has virtually locked drag diffs and a 6 speed clutchless sequential dogbox. It has run a quarter-mile in 9.6 seconds at over 150mph. Estimates for 0-60mph and 0-100mph are circa 2 seconds and 4 seconds respectively. This car is insane, it makes no boost until 6000rpm, then hits with circa 1000bhp.
www.imgmag.org/images/guyratcliffe/R32xBonnetxOpen.jpg
Guy
De, Don't even mention the ML in the lexus. What a bloody scam. That's just a very unfortunate piece of badge engineering I'm afraid, after the man himself departed the company. Not the stuff 390S dreams are made of. (944 with tartan trim). Mmm, woolly jumper and pipe, me thinks not. More a boss t and a toke kinda guy really.
Anyway, now that Dom has left the building...
What IS he on?
Anyway, now that Dom has left the building...
What IS he on?
derestrictor said: Domster - the saliency of your RS commentary is seminal - but please, the Kings Road jibe is too harsh.
UV mentioned this, not me. I was merely using his scurrilous commentary against him
I know you would rather run over Tamora Palmer Tompkinson in a fit of Northern pique than show off to her
He called me a pikey for gawd's sake, when a dog on a bit of string is hardly the training one requires for penning a Bentley brochure
Roadrunner said: De, Don't even mention the ML in the lexus. What a bloody scam. That's just a very unfortunate piece of badge engineering I'm afraid, after the man himself departed the company. Not the stuff 390S dreams are made of. (944 with tartan trim). Mmm, woolly jumper and pipe, me thinks not. More a boss t and a toke kinda guy really.
Anyway, now that Dom has left the building...
What IS he on?
Dom is one of those hugely appealing and all too rare geezers wot is OD'd on life itself - and more power to his elbow and all who sail in him - Gawd bless 'im!
Btw, Paul - sorry but I has to disagree, bud; the stez in mein Lexun is utterly fabulous - no, it really is. Not loud as in 'easy now, fanx' but possessing of a degree of genuine imaging capability.
I've heard minutiae from umpteen favourite recordings that have previously not stood out (John Paul Jones' hypnotic bass line from Led Zep's balls out special, Communication Breakdown, on the Remasters CD is a good example of 'bloody hell - that sounds hugely different' [in a good way!])
Anyway, you should be far more sensitive to my inferiority complex about the barge, since it's blindingly obvious I should've had an M5!
Bling, bling.
I'm going tommorrow, but only I'm taking the 993RS.
A better place is Elvington in Yorkshire, it's flatter, longer and much cheaper to hire. I went with some mates in GTRs and my friends R33 GTR did 209mph at the 1.5mile marker (certified timing beam). Braking from 209mph to standstill in 0.5miles is a bit hairy though.
To be honest there's no fun to be had with many other cars, so those of us with 600+ bhp GTRs prefer to race motorbikes and give them a little surprise. It's surprising how bike acceleration tails off above 150mph...............
I have done 200mph in the R34 with 3 adults and a bootful of luggage on the autobahn, so it's quite practical, although not as reliable as the Porker........
Guy
(Looking for rock to crawl back under)There are some pictures and story of a trip of 6 Skylines to the Nurburgring 24 hr race last year on a mate of mines site:
www.blowdog.com/html/events/nurburgring_310502.html
My car has evolved significantly since that trip. It only had 672bhp then and I was finding the acceleration above 180mph to be a little inadequate........
Guy
LOL
You are indeed a nutcase Guy. I think you have made a few friends here already
Seeing off superbikes...
I have been to Elvington myself - the nice thing is it has a decent air museum, so you can wander around there and get a chip butty if a piston goes into orbit on your first run. Bit bumpy some of those airfields though... maybe less of an issue with airplane rubber...
Cheers
Domster
You are indeed a nutcase Guy. I think you have made a few friends here already
Seeing off superbikes...
I have been to Elvington myself - the nice thing is it has a decent air museum, so you can wander around there and get a chip butty if a piston goes into orbit on your first run. Bit bumpy some of those airfields though... maybe less of an issue with airplane rubber...
Cheers
Domster
Question to all: How do you all view these Skylines?
Would you trade your 911 for one? Personally, I respect what they can achieve a great deal. As a total package though, I'd still go for the 'lesser' (!)911TT. Outrageous performance is good, but I'd also like the sexy shape and the total package it offers.
Guy, Have you ever humbled anyone on the road big style?
Would you trade your 911 for one? Personally, I respect what they can achieve a great deal. As a total package though, I'd still go for the 'lesser' (!)911TT. Outrageous performance is good, but I'd also like the sexy shape and the total package it offers.
Guy, Have you ever humbled anyone on the road big style?
Gotta shoot out now, so last post for a few hours.
In terms of humbling other cars on the roads, I rarely get involved. I get plenty of challenges by the Evo/Subaru/Nova boys, but I usually ignore them (or vaporise them).
The problem is that few 575s, 996TTs or Diablos are ever driven quickly, so I've never really needed to try against them. I'd like to meet a McLaren F1, but thats pretty unlikely. The R34 gets so fast so quickly that the most fun is short bursts of 60mph up to 160mph, which is achievable in very short order.
Guy
PS There is a babyseat in the GTR R34...........
Well I've just picked up the beetle, all nicely waxed from my pal who's a dab valetting geezer and I could cry, it looks so, well, perfectly formed.
(What a crime it'll get caked in crap down the M6 tomorrow
)
Just drove it back to my gaff and the feeling of 'oneness' and solidity was just pukka.
Despite the iminent thrashing about to be meted out by Joust & Co, I think I love it anyway. If only I could drive!
But to your question about Skylinism, Paul; you gotta hand it to the R30-something boys, haven't you? I mean, WHAT an incredible engine! Also, the chassis is truly staggering, more than capable of coping with the ridiculous globs of power Guy & Co chuck at 'em!
Certainly, the feelings of absolute solidity referred to above were quite possibly superior to my 993; the way the R34s of my experience have delivered their immense payloads has always left me speechless...in a sort of vast GT way, rather than the mental bonkerism of the very best EVO/Scooby derivatives which probably rule the B roads...
I'd certainly love a Guyesque R34 but not instead of, only as well as, the old 911. The Skyline has little of the cognescentis' kudos but any PHer with half an atomized ameboa's reactivity knows better than to throw down the gauntlet when that grim grille looms in the rear view...it simply demands immense respect.
>> Edited by derestrictor on Saturday 26th April 15:06
>> Edited by derestrictor on Saturday 26th April 15:06
(What a crime it'll get caked in crap down the M6 tomorrow
) Just drove it back to my gaff and the feeling of 'oneness' and solidity was just pukka.
Despite the iminent thrashing about to be meted out by Joust & Co, I think I love it anyway. If only I could drive!
But to your question about Skylinism, Paul; you gotta hand it to the R30-something boys, haven't you? I mean, WHAT an incredible engine! Also, the chassis is truly staggering, more than capable of coping with the ridiculous globs of power Guy & Co chuck at 'em!
Certainly, the feelings of absolute solidity referred to above were quite possibly superior to my 993; the way the R34s of my experience have delivered their immense payloads has always left me speechless...in a sort of vast GT way, rather than the mental bonkerism of the very best EVO/Scooby derivatives which probably rule the B roads...
I'd certainly love a Guyesque R34 but not instead of, only as well as, the old 911. The Skyline has little of the cognescentis' kudos but any PHer with half an atomized ameboa's reactivity knows better than to throw down the gauntlet when that grim grille looms in the rear view...it simply demands immense respect.
>> Edited by derestrictor on Saturday 26th April 15:06
>> Edited by derestrictor on Saturday 26th April 15:06
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