The Baron is back...

The Baron is back...

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peter_964rs

287 posts

274 months

Thursday 15th May 2003
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Is the Silverstone track day July 25th? I might just be tempted to bring Scaramanga along...... once Colin has fitted an engine to him, and assuming I don't crash him in the meantime.

jeremyc

23,511 posts

285 months

Thursday 15th May 2003
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Congratulations on the return of the Baron Domster - has anything been done about those nasty holes that appeared in the airbox?

Does anyone know if the PCGB trackday at Silverstone is open to non-Porkers (or even non-PCGB members)? If there are a bunch of PHers there I could be tempted to come along and play....

ninja_eli

1,525 posts

268 months

Thursday 15th May 2003
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ha ha ha, just seen this thread mate. I knew you two were meant to me reunited...

And yes, the BM was a little bit to pimp mobile. Sort of suited you though, just needed clouds of smoke coming out of the slightly open windows to complete the look.

Look forward to seeing it soon, as will the wildlife...

domster

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8,431 posts

271 months

Thursday 15th May 2003
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I think the airbox mod is the highlight of the car, Jezza. You would probably get another 50bhp out of the RS2 by following suit

As for the trackday, yes, it is the one on July 25th. Scaramanga would be welcome, as long as you keep the third nipple covered, Pete... would like to see what a 9M fettled 964RS goes like.

Jez, you need to be a member of PCGB I think, and I'm sure they don't want a TVR Cerb on track blowing up its engine trying to keep up with the GT2s However, you can always ask: Club office is 01608 652911.

They may allow the RS2 on track, as it is half pork, n'est ce pas? And if you need to be a member to book the ticket, wire the amount to my swiss bank account at badger towers and I will book for you under my membership details.

Cheers
Dom

jeremyc

23,511 posts

285 months

Thursday 15th May 2003
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domster said: Jez, you need to be a member of PCGB I think, and I'm sure they don't want a TVR Cerb on track blowing up its engine trying to keep up with the GT2s However, you can always ask: Club office is 01608 652911.

They may allow the RS2 on track, as it is half pork, n'est ce pas?
I was thinking more along the lines of a Caterham driving around everyone....

domster

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8,431 posts

271 months

Thursday 15th May 2003
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I know, but it is more fun to take the mickey out of your Cerb.



You know I like Superlight Rs

granville

18,764 posts

262 months

Thursday 15th May 2003
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Guys - on the subject of the PCGB Silverstone day - what category of experience is everyone going in?

Being a total cretin in this (and indeed, many other) regards, I told Steve Kevlin to put me in the strictly 'L' section.

He seemed a little unsure and indicated I might go to the intermediate stage if I didn't go all 'el badgeroonie' on the first corner and I must admit, Brunters kind of convinced me I wasn't a total tw@t at the helm after all.

Do you think the learner thing will be a bit too restrained or am I doing the right thing by wishing to progress like Cautious McCaution?

kevinday

11,641 posts

281 months

Friday 16th May 2003
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Mark_H said:


seconded!

clubsport

7,260 posts

259 months

Friday 16th May 2003
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Der..I see no reason why you shouldn't go into the intermediate section.You can obviously drive the old girl.
The only downside is experience of track etiquette,,your TT will hoon down the straights and on occasion hold other Porsches up during the twisties.
The Porsche track days are run very well,Mr Kevlin runs quite a tight ship...I had experience of a first time track day turbo guy at Donnington.He was positively dangerous and was approaching corners at the end of the straights on a hope for the best scenario.Mr K was very quick to bring things in line.
i have seen a turbo S have an accident with the armco on it's second lap of the day and drivers sent home for a very early bath after a warning.

Go with the intermediate,it's easy to say try not to get too much red mist,but it is a learning experience and very different when there are other cars on the track..particularly when some will go past you.
have fun...

rubystone

11,254 posts

260 months

Friday 16th May 2003
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If you haven't driven the circuit before and they run open pit lane later on, then the Novice group is a good place to start as there's then little chance of you having to watch your mirrors at the expense of learning the circuit. I'd also recommend taking instruction in your second session.

If you're kept in groups all day then stick with the Intermediate group as I'm sure with your car (Turbo isn't it?) you'll reel them in on the straights and have to sit behind them thru corners in order to obey track day etiquette (no overtaking into or out of corners)

Don

28,377 posts

285 months

Friday 16th May 2003
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derestrictor said: Guys - on the subject of the PCGB Silverstone day - what category of experience is everyone going in?


I'm not sure. Lasy year I went in the Novices group...and got overtaken a lot. By now..I'm doing the overtaking..at least some of the time. Having said that I don't have the straight line grunt so what happens is that the competent 996 drivers go by on the straights (I lift off to help them...) and the novices hold me up in the corners...might go Intermediate this year so I am circulating with drivers who are generally a bit quicker than me...at Silverstone there are plenty of overtaking straights to let 'em by on.



Being a total cretin in this (and indeed, many other) regards, I told Steve Kevlin to put me in the strictly 'L' section.

He seemed a little unsure and indicated I might go to the intermediate stage if I didn't go all 'el badgeroonie' on the first corner and I must admit, Brunters kind of convinced me I wasn't a total tw@t at the helm after all.



I'm sure you will be fine. Your car is clearly a straight line monster too so the Intermediate section may be more fun as you will need to pass less. There again you may hold quicker drivers up in the corners and be needing to lift on the straights to let 'em by. This gets tiresome if it happens too often.



Do you think the learner thing will be a bit too restrained or am I doing the right thing by wishing to progress like Cautious McCaution?




A cautious approach is never wrong. Why not start in the Novice group...and if its clear that you are getting held up and needing to pass a great deal arrange to change session?

Don

28,377 posts

285 months

Friday 16th May 2003
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jeremyc said:

domster said: Jez, you need to be a member of PCGB I think, and I'm sure they don't want a TVR Cerb on track blowing up its engine trying to keep up with the GT2s However, you can always ask: Club office is 01608 652911.

They may allow the RS2 on track, as it is half pork, n'est ce pas?
I was thinking more along the lines of a Caterham driving around everyone....



There IS a non-member's price listed in Porsche Post. there again...its £50 more expensive so its only £10 extra to be a member.

Last year there were two TVRs (going well too...) and an Ultima (going like STINK!) at the day in the "Advanced" group.

As I understand it the PCGB are being cautious about non-Porsche cars attending - so long as it isn't too many it adds fun to the day..but a Caterham R500 may be pushing it. It will be, without doubt, the fastest thing on track....

domster

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8,431 posts

271 months

Friday 16th May 2003
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Don said:
..but a Caterham R500 may be pushing it. It will be, without doubt, the fastest thing on track....



If only it was an R500 eh, Jezzamundo?

Don't worry Don, it's only a Superlight R, but it is still a quick enough beast to hassle the GT2s.

I had a tussle with Rubystone in his SLR when I had the Baron, and can confirm that they are every bit a match for most things Porsche can put on a track. Grip and handling were better in the SLR, although acceleration into three figures started to tail off as the Baron got going.

I will see if you can change groups when I book. I normally drive very cautiously to learn the circuit and warm the tyres up, before getting progressively faster. If I can change, I will start in novice as I don't know Silverstone. If not, I will risk it in intermediate - although we ought to consider having all our posse going out at the same time if not an open pit arrangement? Will chat more nearer the time no doubt.

rubystone

11,254 posts

260 months

Friday 16th May 2003
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I remember the day well....got rather noisy in the Hatfield Tunnel though didn't it ...I'd say we need to revisit that - especially now I'm fitting an aeroscreen and the car is even lighter than it was before (not to mention the rebuilt engine and later compound Avon CR500s) - should give me at least 10 mph more - still not enough to keep up with the Baron once Dom gets it above 140 though....

granville

18,764 posts

262 months

Saturday 17th May 2003
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Thanks for that, Don.

I'm reminded of what Tuff Noodles said when reviewing the 996GT3 when it first emerged, about Porsche drivers who "love to go racing."

Ceratinly, when you pour over the monthly PCGB publication, one does tend to feel a tad circumspect about personal ability when you read some of the stories...there's clearly immense talent amongst the ranks and I'm sure there will be quite a few lowered 944s ready to zip through the twisties with disdain.

But you can change groups if it's needed. As Domster says, learning the track is a huge part of the battle and some of us have risible combat experience!

Still, it will be a mouth watering opportunity to see what these cars were designed to do (well at least a bit, anyway...)