The impossible is possible. 996 towbar finished.
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It just looks complete and utter s
te! Why would anyone consider doing this beggars belief, I'm shocked that someone would actually consider doing this, surely for safety's sake the 996 isn't the best car given it's rear weight bias so any heavy load carried in the trailer is just going to raise the front wheels.
te! Why would anyone consider doing this beggars belief, I'm shocked that someone would actually consider doing this, surely for safety's sake the 996 isn't the best car given it's rear weight bias so any heavy load carried in the trailer is just going to raise the front wheels.How does it look shi te? You can't see it when it isn't fitted? Yet another great open minded viewpoint 
And 911's make good towcars actually, if you plonked a heavy load in a normal cars rear then yes you would have an issue but 911's don't sit down at the back due to the engine because the suspension on the rear is far stiffer than most cars. Hence there is LESS effect from the trailer.
And people who worry about loads placed on drive trains really don't understand engineering at all. You wouldn't consider the same worries if the same enginer were fitted to a luxury model with another half ton of extra's, or a sports model with extra downforce aids creating drag, the strain a trailer puts on the system provided it is loaded properly and driven with a bit of sympathy is about nil.
And 911's make good towcars actually, if you plonked a heavy load in a normal cars rear then yes you would have an issue but 911's don't sit down at the back due to the engine because the suspension on the rear is far stiffer than most cars. Hence there is LESS effect from the trailer.And people who worry about loads placed on drive trains really don't understand engineering at all. You wouldn't consider the same worries if the same enginer were fitted to a luxury model with another half ton of extra's, or a sports model with extra downforce aids creating drag, the strain a trailer puts on the system provided it is loaded properly and driven with a bit of sympathy is about nil.
damiangt3 said:
It just looks complete and utter ste! Why would anyone consider doing this beggars belief, I'm shocked that someone would actually consider doing this, surely for safety's sake the 996 isn't the best car given it's rear weight bias so any heavy load carried in the trailer is just going to raise the front wheels.
te! Why would anyone consider doing this beggars belief, I'm shocked that someone would actually consider doing this, surely for safety's sake the 996 isn't the best car given it's rear weight bias so any heavy load carried in the trailer is just going to raise the front wheels. Another quality, helpful post.wildoliver said:
How does it look shi te? You can't see it when it isn't fitted? Yet another great open minded viewpoint And 911's make good towcars actually, if you plonked a heavy load in a normal cars rear then yes you would have an issue but 911's don't sit down at the back due to the engine because the suspension on the rear is far stiffer than most cars. Hence there is LESS effect from the trailer.
Add just how did you work that out? If they were such good tow cars then perhaps Porsche would have made it an option in the first place? Stiffer suspension isn't going to help matters here, the spring rates etc have been devised with the original weight over rear axle in mind not that of a trailer, have you revised the spring rates and damper settings to cater for this increased weight? A Porsche is naturally light over the front end and in many cases benefits from a little extra weight over the FRONT end not over the REAR! And 911's make good towcars actually, if you plonked a heavy load in a normal cars rear then yes you would have an issue but 911's don't sit down at the back due to the engine because the suspension on the rear is far stiffer than most cars. Hence there is LESS effect from the trailer.I'm just stating why many others have said or are thinking, you've clearly not read and understood the posts.
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
damiangt3 said:
It just looks complete and utter ste! Why would anyone consider doing this beggars belief, I'm shocked that someone would actually consider doing this, surely for safety's sake the 996 isn't the best car given it's rear weight bias so any heavy load carried in the trailer is just going to raise the front wheels.
te! Why would anyone consider doing this beggars belief, I'm shocked that someone would actually consider doing this, surely for safety's sake the 996 isn't the best car given it's rear weight bias so any heavy load carried in the trailer is just going to raise the front wheels. Another quality, helpful post.te it would have been on par for most the of PH comments as of late, however I did follow that up with some more meaningful technical information that seems missing from the original poster's comments!I have read and understood your posts, your just wrong thats all!
How did you work out that stiff springs don't help the situation? Let me explain in "simple" terms for you.
Cars tow trailers. A fact i think most of us will agree on. Most of these cars are front engined.
Wherever the engine is placed in the car the spring and shock absorbers have to be stronger than the other end to counter the increased weight. As an example look at a car with the engine removed. Or a very heavy load in the boot.
Cars generally sit horizontal. Or as close that it doesn't matter.
Putting a trailer on a car pushes the back end down slightly. This is particularly noticeable on front engined "soft" cars i.e. not 4wd's as the rear suspension is designed to support the body only. 4WD's are generally designed with towing in mind so the rears are much beefed up.
The stiffer suspension is the less effect a weight placed on the suspension will have on the attitude of the car (in relation to springs not shocks).
Ergo. the best car for towing and not having it's bum drag along the floor is a car with stiff rear suspension. I present you a 911.
Further more I find your posting attitude offensive. Your clearly one of those people who loves to sit behind his keyboard ridiculing other peoples achievements without thought to the fact that other peoples needs are different to your own. The 996 is a car, it isn't a godly icon, fitting a towbar to it isn't sacrilege, it is the solution to a problem where my father want't to go on holiday down the south of france in his nice car, but can't afford to stop in hotels, and for some weird reason ( I will agree with anyone that caravanning is a sad hobby) enjoys caravanning. Hence he can use the 996 and go on holiday.
How did you work out that stiff springs don't help the situation? Let me explain in "simple" terms for you.
Cars tow trailers. A fact i think most of us will agree on. Most of these cars are front engined.
Wherever the engine is placed in the car the spring and shock absorbers have to be stronger than the other end to counter the increased weight. As an example look at a car with the engine removed. Or a very heavy load in the boot.
Cars generally sit horizontal. Or as close that it doesn't matter.
Putting a trailer on a car pushes the back end down slightly. This is particularly noticeable on front engined "soft" cars i.e. not 4wd's as the rear suspension is designed to support the body only. 4WD's are generally designed with towing in mind so the rears are much beefed up.
The stiffer suspension is the less effect a weight placed on the suspension will have on the attitude of the car (in relation to springs not shocks).
Ergo. the best car for towing and not having it's bum drag along the floor is a car with stiff rear suspension. I present you a 911.
Further more I find your posting attitude offensive. Your clearly one of those people who loves to sit behind his keyboard ridiculing other peoples achievements without thought to the fact that other peoples needs are different to your own. The 996 is a car, it isn't a godly icon, fitting a towbar to it isn't sacrilege, it is the solution to a problem where my father want't to go on holiday down the south of france in his nice car, but can't afford to stop in hotels, and for some weird reason ( I will agree with anyone that caravanning is a sad hobby) enjoys caravanning. Hence he can use the 996 and go on holiday.
wildoliver said:
I have read and understood your posts, your just wrong thats all!
How did you work out that stiff springs don't help the situation? Let me explain in "simple" terms for you.
Cars tow trailers. A fact i think most of us will agree on. Most of these cars are front engined.
Wherever the engine is placed in the car the spring and shock absorbers have to be stronger than the other end to counter the increased weight. As an example look at a car with the engine removed. Or a very heavy load in the boot.
Cars generally sit horizontal. Or as close that it doesn't matter.
Putting a trailer on a car pushes the back end down slightly. This is particularly noticeable on front engined "soft" cars i.e. not 4wd's as the rear suspension is designed to support the body only. 4WD's are generally designed with towing in mind so the rears are much beefed up.
The stiffer suspension is the less effect a weight placed on the suspension will have on the attitude of the car (in relation to springs not shocks).
Ergo. the best car for towing and not having it's bum drag along the floor is a car with stiff rear suspension. I present you a 911.
Further more I find your posting attitude offensive. Your clearly one of those people who loves to sit behind his keyboard ridiculing other peoples achievements without thought to the fact that other peoples needs are different to your own. The 996 is a car, it isn't a godly icon, fitting a towbar to it isn't sacrilege, it is the solution to a problem where my father want't to go on holiday down the south of france in his nice car, but can't afford to stop in hotels, and for some weird reason ( I will agree with anyone that caravanning is a sad hobby) enjoys caravanning. Hence he can use the 996 and go on holiday.
Mate, I wouldn't waste your breath. Leave Damian to enjoy his GT3, and don't feed him any more.How did you work out that stiff springs don't help the situation? Let me explain in "simple" terms for you.
Cars tow trailers. A fact i think most of us will agree on. Most of these cars are front engined.
Wherever the engine is placed in the car the spring and shock absorbers have to be stronger than the other end to counter the increased weight. As an example look at a car with the engine removed. Or a very heavy load in the boot.
Cars generally sit horizontal. Or as close that it doesn't matter.
Putting a trailer on a car pushes the back end down slightly. This is particularly noticeable on front engined "soft" cars i.e. not 4wd's as the rear suspension is designed to support the body only. 4WD's are generally designed with towing in mind so the rears are much beefed up.
The stiffer suspension is the less effect a weight placed on the suspension will have on the attitude of the car (in relation to springs not shocks).
Ergo. the best car for towing and not having it's bum drag along the floor is a car with stiff rear suspension. I present you a 911.
Further more I find your posting attitude offensive. Your clearly one of those people who loves to sit behind his keyboard ridiculing other peoples achievements without thought to the fact that other peoples needs are different to your own. The 996 is a car, it isn't a godly icon, fitting a towbar to it isn't sacrilege, it is the solution to a problem where my father want't to go on holiday down the south of france in his nice car, but can't afford to stop in hotels, and for some weird reason ( I will agree with anyone that caravanning is a sad hobby) enjoys caravanning. Hence he can use the 996 and go on holiday.
I think your towbar's great. I love it when people bother to tackle the impossible and the unlikely, just becasue. It's the British way.
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