Anyone worked out their running costs
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I keep looking at a 996 for my next car (I run a saloon and an Elise at the moment), and wonder if anyone's actuallly kept track of what one costs to run for a couple of years.
Basically, if I were to buy a 2 year old 996 C2 from a dealer, say with 30k miles on it, run it for two years, putting another 10k miles on, service it properly, and keep it in tyres and so on, and then sell it privately, does anyone know how much I am really looking at spending?
Is it going to be £10k? £15k? 20k?
And do people find anything at all annoying about living with them? Can you cram the parents in the back for a five mile trip out to the shops? Can you fit five bags of shopping in the storage? Do they get keyed even parked in decent areas, like while you're in a restaurant, say?
any input appreciated, thanks.
Basically, if I were to buy a 2 year old 996 C2 from a dealer, say with 30k miles on it, run it for two years, putting another 10k miles on, service it properly, and keep it in tyres and so on, and then sell it privately, does anyone know how much I am really looking at spending?
Is it going to be £10k? £15k? 20k?
And do people find anything at all annoying about living with them? Can you cram the parents in the back for a five mile trip out to the shops? Can you fit five bags of shopping in the storage? Do they get keyed even parked in decent areas, like while you're in a restaurant, say?
any input appreciated, thanks.
I've been thinking about this too.
I'm looking at a few 993s tomorrow and a 996 and hope to buy one of them. Most are LHD and one RHD.
Been considering the running costs and residfual values after say 1 or 2 years but not really too concerned about annual running costs.
About grown ups in the back of either model - I doubt it unless your prise them in with a shoe horn or some KY jelly!
I'm looking at a few 993s tomorrow and a 996 and hope to buy one of them. Most are LHD and one RHD.
Been considering the running costs and residfual values after say 1 or 2 years but not really too concerned about annual running costs.
About grown ups in the back of either model - I doubt it unless your prise them in with a shoe horn or some KY jelly!
Everyone who has been in the back of my 996 has complained baout the lack of room in the back, it is mainly headroom that causes the most comments. You have to sit either leaning towards the middle or doubled over. Any longer than half an hour would be torture!
As for running costs ive never worked them out. Sorry.
As for running costs ive never worked them out. Sorry.
Rear seat room was one thing that pushed me from potentially buying a 996 to actually buying a Maserati 3200 GT.....
Not knocking the 911 at all, wonderful cars they are, but if you need the room in the back the Maser is similar money, for a newer car with less miles, fixed service costs, and a twin turbo V8!
If the rears aren't required, then get a 996 and tell your folks to get the bus into town!
Not knocking the 911 at all, wonderful cars they are, but if you need the room in the back the Maser is similar money, for a newer car with less miles, fixed service costs, and a twin turbo V8!
If the rears aren't required, then get a 996 and tell your folks to get the bus into town!
mr_tony said:
Rear seat room was one thing that pushed me from potentially buying a 996 to actually buying a Maserati 3200 GT.....
Not knocking the 911 at all, wonderful cars they are, but if you need the room in the back the Maser is similar money, for a newer car with less miles, fixed service costs, and a twin turbo V8!
If the rears aren't required, then get a 996 and tell your folks to get the bus into town!
It's very rare that I use the rear seats, but it's nice to know that I have the option. If they are completely useless, then I may as well open up my choice of cars to include 2 seaters.
mr_tony said:
Rear seat room was one thing that pushed me from potentially buying a 996 to actually buying a Maserati 3200 GT.....
Not knocking the 911 at all, wonderful cars they are, but if you need the room in the back the Maser is similar money, for a newer car with less miles, fixed service costs, and a twin turbo V8!
If the rears aren't required, then get a 996 and tell your folks to get the bus into town!
Whats wrong with the rear seats??
Mines practically an MPV
The backs seem fine for my kids (up to 14 yrs old). Given the choice of the 7 seater the Mundano or the Porker they always go for the Porsche.
Had my 1999 C2 for 1 year - literally cost nothing at all during that time - servicing also very reasonible
The current Turbo - cost a couple of litres of oil in 8,000 miles!
Not sure how you'll fair if it's outside of the new Porsche warrenty in terms of cost!
My Cerbera cost over £20k in addition to warrenty work during the 24 months I had it!!!
The current Turbo - cost a couple of litres of oil in 8,000 miles!
Not sure how you'll fair if it's outside of the new Porsche warrenty in terms of cost!
My Cerbera cost over £20k in addition to warrenty work during the 24 months I had it!!!
NothernBoy
I bought an new Elise in '97 and ran it for approx 4 years until '01 when I moved up to a 996TT.
Here's a detailed comparison of all my running costs between the two:
I bought an new Elise in '97 and ran it for approx 4 years until '01 when I moved up to a 996TT.
Here's a detailed comparison of all my running costs between the two:
- Elise
Purchased = £22K in July '97
Hard Top = £1200
Sold = £15250K in Apr 01
Fuel = £962 (11K miles @ 39MPG and 75p/litre)
Insurance = £2172 over ownership period.
Servicing = £446
2 Tyres = £210
Total cost over ~4 years =£10540 or 95 pence/mile
- 996TT
Purchase = £94.5K (Sept'01)
Value now= £70k (
Fuel = £1841 (10k miles @ 21 MPG and 85p/litre) )
Servicing= £282
Wheel align=£234
Disk skim =£280
1 tyre = £225 (puncture)
Insurance = £2500(for 2 years
Total = £29862(= £2.98 per mile)
- 996TT
Thanks, those are very helpful figures, the depreciation bit is a big part of what I'm interested in. I like to look at the overall costs (like those above), if I plan to buy, run, and sell.
Can't really justify the turbo to myself at the moment. It's exotiic enough, and desireable enough, that I'd be scared to leave it parked on the streets when I was out and about.
I need something more comfortable and refined than my sport 135 Elise, as I'm simply not using it nowadays. Might still get an S4, but I always find my eye drawn back to a 996. Feel that if I don't get one soon, I might never do it.
Probably not the turbo, though.
If I could find one for 70k, though...
Can't really justify the turbo to myself at the moment. It's exotiic enough, and desireable enough, that I'd be scared to leave it parked on the streets when I was out and about.
I need something more comfortable and refined than my sport 135 Elise, as I'm simply not using it nowadays. Might still get an S4, but I always find my eye drawn back to a 996. Feel that if I don't get one soon, I might never do it.
Probably not the turbo, though.
If I could find one for 70k, though...
just a bit of feedback on running used 996C2...your biggest cost over 2 years will be depreciation, budget for £7k/year if a dealer is involved. If you are buying and selling privately then budget £5k/year, ie be prepared to drop £10k over 2 years. If you are only going to add 10k miles, buying a 2 year old with a highish 30k already on the clock might work out , nb when you come to resell, the trade does not like cars with 50k or over on the clock, and you might want to drive the car considerably more than 5k miles/year.
Service is annual or every 15k miles, about £500, rear tyres last 7-12 k miles depending on driver, fronts last 15-20k miles, fuel economy good in everyday traffic legal driving.
Service is annual or every 15k miles, about £500, rear tyres last 7-12 k miles depending on driver, fronts last 15-20k miles, fuel economy good in everyday traffic legal driving.
kevinday said:
domster said:
Interesting seeing true running costs inc depreciation, insurance etc.
The Elise was almost twice the price to SERVICE, which is what most people think of in terms of running costs.
Yes, but it was for 4 years!
Oops, Fair enough
>> Edited by domster on Tuesday 30th September 10:59
I find the rear seats can be a lifesaver at times. Even one of my tall(ish) friends has just about coped in the back for a few minutes, and generally speaking, nobody complains if you're doing them a favour and dropping them to the station instead of walking. Fat people can be tricky to pack in, though. Plus I don't like the idea of them leaning on my door/seat lever/anything they can grab hold of to lever themselves in and out of my pride and joy.
The rear is also helpful for when you have big suitcases which don't fit in the boot. Note that a C2 has a bigger boot than a C4, but even so you should be able to get a week's grocery shopping in there.
Now, as to how we would finance such a purchase, hmm...
(Glad to see the general unpleasantness in General Gassing has subsided).
The rear is also helpful for when you have big suitcases which don't fit in the boot. Note that a C2 has a bigger boot than a C4, but even so you should be able to get a week's grocery shopping in there.
Now, as to how we would finance such a purchase, hmm...
(Glad to see the general unpleasantness in General Gassing has subsided).nothernboy said:
Might still get an S4, but I always find my eye drawn back to a 996. Feel that if I don't get one soon, I might never do it.
Probably not the turbo, though.
If I could find one for 70k, though...
I think if I was you I would go for the S4 and have the everyday practicality with almost all the performance of a 996 (non turbo). Have you driven one as they are supposed to be a real wolf in sheeps clothing?
northernboy said:
I always find my eye drawn back to a 996. Feel that if I don't get one soon, I might never do it.
Probably not the turbo, though.
If I could find one for 70k, though...
Lots of turbos about for £70k, even as low as mid £50k's if you are willing to go LHD.
ref S4 do you mean an Audi S4 ?? I've not driven the new non turbo V8 jobbie, but driven a few 2.7 twin turbos & with gentle mods of a couple of £k they are ace motors, RS4 power & handling for a fraction of the cost & IMHO a far better drive too.
>> Edited by iguana on Tuesday 30th September 23:14
Caveat - I've never owned a 996. However from the perspective of my 2 993s..
WRT rear seats: my Mum and Nan (both around 5'2) fit perfectly and comfortably. My 6'3 bodybuilder mate survived a 10 mile journey squeezed in both back seats. Not comfortable but feasible.
With both of my cars, I had one yearly service and one set of tyres each. One of the cars needed a new clutch and new brake discs / pads. Both services were around 600 quid, with the clutch and brakes adding 1700 quid on the other car.
Obviously the detail isn't of interest if you're after 996s but it does appear that depreciation is going to be the biggest cost. The rear seats in the 911 are usable if you get one with them (i.e. not RS / GT3 etc.) - they're reasonably comfortable for littl'uns.
WRT rear seats: my Mum and Nan (both around 5'2) fit perfectly and comfortably. My 6'3 bodybuilder mate survived a 10 mile journey squeezed in both back seats. Not comfortable but feasible.
With both of my cars, I had one yearly service and one set of tyres each. One of the cars needed a new clutch and new brake discs / pads. Both services were around 600 quid, with the clutch and brakes adding 1700 quid on the other car.
Obviously the detail isn't of interest if you're after 996s but it does appear that depreciation is going to be the biggest cost. The rear seats in the 911 are usable if you get one with them (i.e. not RS / GT3 etc.) - they're reasonably comfortable for littl'uns.
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