Would you ever consider a TVR??
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meno-porsche said:
Is this snobbery??
Not at all.
Every TVR i have seen in the last 2 weeks has waved or flashed.
As a 993 driver i would wave at other Porsches and very rarely would anyone wave back.
Also, you can go to a TVR meet and everyone chats as equals, whereas PCGB seems to have "ranks". Air cooled, water cooled, front engined, rear engined, how much money did you spend, how big is your ego, etc...
Irrelevant, i miss my 993 everyday, the TVR is a temporary fix and something i have always wanted. I have no doubt i will be returning to a 993 at some stage but i'd like to keep the Chim as well.
Very different cars, but equally special in todays world of Mondeos and Vectras and Golfs.
Just my £0.02
VS
VS, good points well made.
With respect to the PCGB, I totally agree I think it smacks of elitism and hence have not joined. That being said, I have a question for Melv on another forum which might force me to change my mind!
Also having been a member of the Ford (SVOC) and SAAB members club (we all have a history you understand) they too suffer the same problems albeit on a slightly different scale. I'm told that a certain Owners Club, associated with Italian cars sporting a prancing horse (no names you understand) are so far up their own their ***** that non-owner members are only allowed to certain events if they are there to wash and polish the cars on behalf of the owners!! How sad is that??
With respect to 996/Boxer owners my suggestion is don't bother to flash/wave unless acknowledged beforehand. Most (not all) are owned by people who want the Porsche experience because its "cool" and see it as a fashion statement. I include my brother in this category when he replaced his 996 after 5 months with BMW 330 Ci Sport "because it was cheaper to service"!! Most do not understand the heritage, engineering and pride which goes into their machines nor the people who live within the petrol head sub-culture, i.e. the very people who go racing to make these car's cool in the first place or scrimp and save to keep the old ones on the road for future generations to enjoy.
As for me I will flash, thumbs up, any car which I think deserves it. (inc TVR's) but then my wife thinks I'm a sad old bastard. Which I probably am.
If you get flashed by a Black 964 C2 its likely to be me!!
Chin Chin and tally ho!!
With respect to the PCGB, I totally agree I think it smacks of elitism and hence have not joined. That being said, I have a question for Melv on another forum which might force me to change my mind!
Also having been a member of the Ford (SVOC) and SAAB members club (we all have a history you understand) they too suffer the same problems albeit on a slightly different scale. I'm told that a certain Owners Club, associated with Italian cars sporting a prancing horse (no names you understand) are so far up their own their ***** that non-owner members are only allowed to certain events if they are there to wash and polish the cars on behalf of the owners!! How sad is that??
With respect to 996/Boxer owners my suggestion is don't bother to flash/wave unless acknowledged beforehand. Most (not all) are owned by people who want the Porsche experience because its "cool" and see it as a fashion statement. I include my brother in this category when he replaced his 996 after 5 months with BMW 330 Ci Sport "because it was cheaper to service"!! Most do not understand the heritage, engineering and pride which goes into their machines nor the people who live within the petrol head sub-culture, i.e. the very people who go racing to make these car's cool in the first place or scrimp and save to keep the old ones on the road for future generations to enjoy.
As for me I will flash, thumbs up, any car which I think deserves it. (inc TVR's) but then my wife thinks I'm a sad old bastard. Which I probably am.
If you get flashed by a Black 964 C2 its likely to be me!!
Chin Chin and tally ho!!
meno-porsche said:
With respect to the PCGB, I totally agree I think it smacks of elitism and hence have not joined.
Whats elitist about the PCGB? You can be a non-Porsche owning member. And if you want "full" membership any Porsche will do...924s can be obtained sub 2K...if you are handy mechanically and enjoy a bit of restoration work.
The club caters to social animals, track day nutters, proud owners, enthusiasts and the fashion concious - all sorts.
The one thing all members share is an enthusiasm for Porsche...sure within that there are a great many different little cliques based on shared enthusiasm for a particular model or type of event - and clearly disposable income has a part to play - but you find that outside of the Porsche club in general life...
Can't see whats elitist about that.
Don, cheers for the offer mate, would certainly like to take you up on it sometime.
I actually sold my S2 a couple of months ago and have been porkerless for a bit.
I'm not actually contemplating TreVoR ownership at present, although I certainly do see the appeal at the lower £ end of the market i.e. early chims/griffs but I feel its more likely either a 968CS, E30M3, Caterham of some description, or one of those funny porkers with the engines at the back that use air to cool 'em (& pref a '73RS replica) will end up on the drive at Lizard towers before I would consider a TVR.
For a couple of reasons I do need to save a few £ for a bit, so I might make do with terrorising unsuspecting porker owners in my old Corrado for a little while, however seeing as I have minimal self restraint where finances are concerned & that I want to track what ever I get anyway, I have also been eyeing the ex racer market now that the end of the season is upon us, so you never know.
Verysideways- nice to see you back mate, hope to catch up at Virgina Waters.
I actually sold my S2 a couple of months ago and have been porkerless for a bit.
I'm not actually contemplating TreVoR ownership at present, although I certainly do see the appeal at the lower £ end of the market i.e. early chims/griffs but I feel its more likely either a 968CS, E30M3, Caterham of some description, or one of those funny porkers with the engines at the back that use air to cool 'em (& pref a '73RS replica) will end up on the drive at Lizard towers before I would consider a TVR.
For a couple of reasons I do need to save a few £ for a bit, so I might make do with terrorising unsuspecting porker owners in my old Corrado for a little while, however seeing as I have minimal self restraint where finances are concerned & that I want to track what ever I get anyway, I have also been eyeing the ex racer market now that the end of the season is upon us, so you never know.
Verysideways- nice to see you back mate, hope to catch up at Virgina Waters.
I would rather chew my own arm off than ever own a TVR.
Give me a good 2nd hand Porsche 993 bi turbo anyday.
Best place for TVR’s is in TVR heaven - and god rest all the poor sods that thought a bit of (poorly made) fibreglass would save them in a crash.
If I was to have a kit car / fibreglass car call them what you will, I would take my chances in a Lotus but never in a Kevin, sorry I mean Trevor
>> Edited by v5uk on Monday 13th October 23:38
Blimey Iguana - you might be contemplating buying a Caterham? Act quickly and check out the For Sale section of www.Blatchat.com - there's a reasonably priced Fireblade on there in my favourite colour.
I know you'll buy a nice Autofarm 2.7RS recreation
I know you'll buy a nice Autofarm 2.7RS recreation
v5uk said:
I would rather chew my own arm off than ever own a TVR.
Best place for TVR’s is in TVR heaven - and god rest all the poor sods that thought a bit of (poorly made) fibreglass would save them in a crash.
If I was to have a kit car / fibreglass car call them what you will, I would take my chances in a Lotus but never in a Kevin, sorry I mean Trevor
>> Edited by v5uk on Monday 13th October 23:38
I'll help you cut it off...........
v5uk said:
I would rather chew my own arm off than ever own a TVR.
Each to their own!
v5uk said:
Best place for TVR’s is in TVR heaven - and god rest all the poor sods that thought a bit of (poorly made) fibreglass would save them in a crash.
Actually this is an issue with older TVRs. The modern ones have *very* strong rollover protection built into the windscreen pillars - just like in my Porsche Boxster. The Tuscan has front and rear roll-over protection, as does the T350.
OK the lack of airbags is not good but people have has almighty smashes and rolled in Tuscans/Tamoras/T350s and got out of it alive.
I would not like to roll a Griff/Chimaera/S. My IAM examiner (Class1) said he'd never seen a Boxster's roll-over protection fail...but older TVRs just flattened.
Doesn't bear thinking about. That said. I don't intend to ever roll my Chimaera!
domster said:
Let's not go down the Porsche vs TVR thing too far, eh? The constructive stuff is interesting, but the TVR lot have shown remarkable self-restraint to some of the comments.
Cheers guys
Domster
Its all a bit of fun, dom. And the thread running in the TVR forum has been very good natured too. Its a good laugh doing comparisons - and enlightening for owners of each marque.
But you're right that we don't need any thoughtless comments on this old subject...
My appeal for restraint wasn't aimed at you Don 
Although you are a bit of a troublemaker, claiming that your Boxster keeps breaking down, just to give Porsches a bad name
TVR vs Porsche does make interesting reading
We just need to keep it clean, above the belt, Queensbury Rules - so no mention of Speed Six engines being made from chocolate 
Although you are a bit of a troublemaker, claiming that your Boxster keeps breaking down, just to give Porsches a bad name TVR vs Porsche does make interesting reading
We just need to keep it clean, above the belt, Queensbury Rules - so no mention of Speed Six engines being made from chocolate FWIW
I've had a 97 4.2 Cerbera for nearly 3 years. Sale is imminent. Best car in the world when it goes. Expensive when it doesn't which unfortunately is too often for my liking.
IMHO, better off with the engineering and development put into a Porsche even if it costs more initially. Lower running costs and better resale will tip the balance back.
Hence, 911 C2 due for delivery soon. Only time will tell if I'm right.
Will I miss the cerbie? probably not. Been there, done that, got the T shirt. Time to move on.
I've had a 97 4.2 Cerbera for nearly 3 years. Sale is imminent. Best car in the world when it goes. Expensive when it doesn't which unfortunately is too often for my liking.
IMHO, better off with the engineering and development put into a Porsche even if it costs more initially. Lower running costs and better resale will tip the balance back.
Hence, 911 C2 due for delivery soon. Only time will tell if I'm right.
Will I miss the cerbie? probably not. Been there, done that, got the T shirt. Time to move on.
Have to say that I would (probably will) go back to owning a TVR and can definitely say that I will probably not be looking at owning another Porsche for a very long time given that my 968 has been back to the workshop 8 times in five months of ownership and has cost me nearly 3.5K in bills. OK I know I’ve been unlucky and this isn’t typical of Porsches but it’s not just the reliability. Quite frankly I find the 968 dull to drive, dull to look at and dull to listen to when compared to my Chimarea (although yes I admit it’s a better daily driver). Couple that with the fact that the only time the Chimaera let me down was when the cooling fan fuses blew causing the engine to overheat in traffic (two minute fix once home) then the grass is certainly looking greener on the other side.
When shopping for a new car I was looking at an early model Chimaera or Griffith for the same money as I’d paid for the 968 and had never really been a Porsche fan. However, I thought I’d try a Porsche since I’d already done the TVR thing and wanted something different. I’m now regretting my decision. I guess maybe they’re not my type of car. I like fast, furious and in-your-face performance, which the Porsche doesn’t give. I’m sure the performance is there but I haven’t found it in a form that excited me as much as the TVR did yet. Hopefully I’ve sorted the issues with the 968 now. I will drive it until next spring at which time I’m looking at upgrading to either a Cerbra 4.5 or an Esprit Turbo. Maybe by that time the 968 will have convinced me to add a 964 to that shortlist?
When shopping for a new car I was looking at an early model Chimaera or Griffith for the same money as I’d paid for the 968 and had never really been a Porsche fan. However, I thought I’d try a Porsche since I’d already done the TVR thing and wanted something different. I’m now regretting my decision. I guess maybe they’re not my type of car. I like fast, furious and in-your-face performance, which the Porsche doesn’t give. I’m sure the performance is there but I haven’t found it in a form that excited me as much as the TVR did yet. Hopefully I’ve sorted the issues with the 968 now. I will drive it until next spring at which time I’m looking at upgrading to either a Cerbra 4.5 or an Esprit Turbo. Maybe by that time the 968 will have convinced me to add a 964 to that shortlist?
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