Cost of new front discs and new tryes on a 993 C4S
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I'm just in the process of signing on the dotted line for a 97 993 C4S from an OPC. I have already negotiated a new clutch however both the front discs and all 4 tyres will need replacing very soon. The tyres are probably just within the 3mm limit before Porsche have to change them as part of their charter.
I was wondering what can I expect to pay to have both the front discs and tyres done if I cant get Porsche to do it and what tyres are recommended for these cars. It is currently fitted with Pirreli P-Zeros and I didnt rate these at all when I had my P1.
Cheers
Paul
I was wondering what can I expect to pay to have both the front discs and tyres done if I cant get Porsche to do it and what tyres are recommended for these cars. It is currently fitted with Pirreli P-Zeros and I didnt rate these at all when I had my P1.
Cheers
Paul
If you are buying the car from an OPC the car should have a decent amount of tread left on the tyres, 4-5 mm at least. I was told by the salesman who sold me my car that this is the minimum amount of tread an OPC would let a car leave the showroom with. If yours only has 3mm left, I would be looking for THEM to pay for the tyres.
paulmon said:
I'm just in the process of signing on the dotted line for a 97 993 C4S from an OPC. I have already negotiated a new clutch however both the front discs and all 4 tyres will need replacing very soon. The tyres are probably just within the 3mm limit before Porsche have to change them as part of their charter.
I was wondering what can I expect to pay to have both the front discs and tyres done if I cant get Porsche to do it and what tyres are recommended for these cars. It is currently fitted with Pirreli P-Zeros and I didnt rate these at all when I had my P1.
Cheers
Paul
Are you getting the OPC warranty? Would be very reassuring!
Assuming you're running 18" wheels, there's not much between PZ Assimetricos and S02s. The B'stones give a softer ride and better wet grip, I'd vote the PZs in the dry... The correct N spec for either is difficult to find now.
If they're doing the clutch, the RS flywheel/clutch is a desirable mod, worth a contribution I'd say.
Have you measured the rotors or are they badly cracked/lipped/scored? If so the warranty would probably force the change prior to sale.
Cheers, Maurice
MauriceC2S said:
Are you getting the OPC warranty? Would be very reassuring!
Yes, this is the main reason I am buying the car. It comes fitted with the full Turbo aerokit which TBH I could do without because I think it ruins the profile of the car, but beggers cant be choosers and I'm sure I'll learn to live with it.
MauriceC2S said:
If they're doing the clutch, the RS flywheel/clutch is a desirable mod, worth a contribution I'd say.
What kind of extra cost would this be and what are the benefits over the standard clutch.
MauriceC2S said:
Have you measured the rotors or are they badly cracked/lipped/scored? If so the warranty would probably force the change prior to sale.
Cheers, Maurice
Before I answer this one, I am not mechanically minded and even the simplest jargon flies over my head.
The discs are lipped but the problem is I dont know how much of a lip is required before they need changing so I could be making a mountain out of a mole hill. Any kind of direction on this subject would be appreciated.
Cheers
P
paulmon said:
If they're doing the clutch, the RS flywheel/clutch is a desirable mod, worth a contribution I'd say.
What kind of extra cost would this be and what are the benefits over the standard clutch.
The full kit is around £1K, probably 6-700 or so for the flywheel, so that's about what you should have to pay. Saves (rotating) weight, stronger clutch, and allows the engine to rev easily, gives acceleration improvement especially in the lower gears. Will rattle at idle.
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Have you measured the rotors or are they badly cracked/lipped/scored? If so the warranty would probably force the change prior to sale.
Before I answer this one, I am not mechanically minded and even the simplest jargon flies over my head.
The discs are lipped but the problem is I dont know how much of a lip is required before they need changing so I could be making a mountain out of a mole hill. Any kind of direction on this subject would be appreciated.
The Porsche standards are quite tight - max 2 mm wear from new (32mm > 30mm in front) - so if there is a lip around 1mm it's toast! Check for cracks from the holes - max length 5mm.
Cheers
P
HTH, cheers, Maurice
I spoke to the salesman this morning and expressed my concern about the state of the tyres and discs and in no uncertain terms he said if they are on or within their limits then he wont be able to do nothing. I asked him to get them checked and give me a call back with the exact figures.
This afternoon a message was left on my answerphone saying 'The mechanic has said there is plenty of tread left on the tyres' no mention of the discs or the amount of tread left on the tyres. So I phoned back and left two messages for him to ring me. It's now 18:30 and he hasnt had the decency to return my call. However last week when I phoned enquiring about the car he was all over me like a rash. It appears that now the deal has all been done (deposit paid) that he cant be arsed. I get the distinct feeling that they are going to do the aboslute minimum to get the car out of the door.
On Sunday when I drove the car and paid the deposit I was excited about owning one of the best Porsches available, now 3 days later I am starting to feel a bit despondent. A couple of weeks ago I spent some time with Andy from GMUND cars and what a contrast it was between the two. On one hand you have a small independent who is willing to go that extra mile and spend as much time as it takes to give you all the information you need to make your decision and on the other you have a salesman at an OPC who is making me feel like I am buying £500 banger.
It's not like I am in a postition of strength, I want a 993 C4S and I have only ever seen two at an OPC in the last 6 months.
Hey ho
P
This afternoon a message was left on my answerphone saying 'The mechanic has said there is plenty of tread left on the tyres' no mention of the discs or the amount of tread left on the tyres. So I phoned back and left two messages for him to ring me. It's now 18:30 and he hasnt had the decency to return my call. However last week when I phoned enquiring about the car he was all over me like a rash. It appears that now the deal has all been done (deposit paid) that he cant be arsed. I get the distinct feeling that they are going to do the aboslute minimum to get the car out of the door.
On Sunday when I drove the car and paid the deposit I was excited about owning one of the best Porsches available, now 3 days later I am starting to feel a bit despondent. A couple of weeks ago I spent some time with Andy from GMUND cars and what a contrast it was between the two. On one hand you have a small independent who is willing to go that extra mile and spend as much time as it takes to give you all the information you need to make your decision and on the other you have a salesman at an OPC who is making me feel like I am buying £500 banger.
It's not like I am in a postition of strength, I want a 993 C4S and I have only ever seen two at an OPC in the last 6 months.
Hey ho
P
The salesman is paid a % of retained NET profit after reconditioning costs.he will be pushing NOT to put tyres and discs on..........go have another look at the car, if your not happy tell him you want to see the sales manager............if the tyres are that low you could need a new set in a month.
Stand firm.your spending a lot of money.
Matt
paulmon said:
It's not like I am in a postition of strength, I want a 993 C4S and I have only ever seen two at an OPC in the last 6 months.
Hey ho
P
Paul, It's ironic that you should say that remark and still stand for this kind of service, tell your heart to move over (it's already suffering) and engage your head, walk away and find a non-opc car, you'll save money, (between 3-5k), you can spend a fraction of that having it inspected at an OPC (a dish best served cold), and rather than the smug complacent
'er who is obviously reading your emotional physce quite well, it will be you who will looks like the cat who got the cream. I bought mine from a TVR/Aston dealer, had a local OPC (Brighton) check it out, never had a problem. And ironically, since then the only problems i have had are due, in some instances to monkeys working for OPC's that I have used. So, just what is it that is so important that it has to be an OPC?. >> Edited by veewhy on Tuesday 23 March 21:55
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walk away and find a non-opc car, you'll save money, (between 3-5k), you can spend a fraction of that having it inspected at an OPC
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MORE LIKE 8 to 10k!
Also- Have you seen the 12k mile C2S at Devnonshire Motor co.
I would much rather have a 2S than a 4S (better steering, lighter weight) and definately would do without a turbo body kit!
kamal996 said:
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walk away and find a non-opc car, you'll save money, (between 3-5k), you can spend a fraction of that having it inspected at an OPC
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MORE LIKE 8 to 10k!
Also- Have you seen the 12k mile C2S at Devnonshire Motor co.
I would much rather have a 2S than a 4S (better steering, lighter weight) and definately would do without a turbo body kit![/quote]
Sold. Looks mint
well there is another C2S at the OPC in Silverstone; just under £40k, in speed yellow. Cant remember whether it was 30k or 40k miles. If i hadnt have just got a 964 i would definetly go have a look / see at this one. So if you switched OPCs you might keep your deposit..the price for this looks reasonable.
pesty said:
Thats a stunner at devonshire 
but won't he lose his deposit if he pulls out of the deal with the OPC?
or are there cooling off period laws that could apply?
>> Edited by pesty on Wednesday 24th March 18:20
I don't see why he should lose his deposit, he gave it in good faith. Nothing was signed (presumably). He thought he was buying something that he isn’t, etc… If he kicks n screams enough, he will get it back, how much are we talking about?
woolfie said:
well there is another C2S at the OPC in Silverstone; just under £40k, in speed yellow. Cant remember whether it was 30k or 40k miles. If i hadnt have just got a 964 i would definetly go have a look / see at this one. So if you switched OPCs you might keep your deposit..the price for this looks reasonable.
Yellow's not my colour TBH and I think the only 911's that get away with are either prefixed with GT or suffixed with RS.
Car only has half leather and black interior which I think makes the car claustrophobic (sp).
There are a few C4S knocking about but none of them have everything I want so it's about choosing the bits you could live with. For instance there is a mint looking Silver without the the turbo kit but it has green interior.
Others have high mileage and red interior or are the wrong colour. Andy @ GMUND has a green one but the green does nothing for me.
I am going to ring the dealer tomorrow and speak to the sales manager and if I come out of that conversation without any more confidence then I will walk away from the deal.
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