New Porsche Cayenne Diesel
Discussion
MOORO said:
I have a petrol turbo Macan which is lighter than the Cayenne and I struggle to get low 20’s mpg driving sensibly
Crikey! I've just calculated my Cayenne diesel uses approx 1794 litres of fuel a year (15k miles) @ £1.21 per litre (uk average) is £2171. A petrol model at say 20mpg using premium unleaded at £1.34 (uk average) would be £4569. On top of that, having to go to the petrol station nearly twice a week would do my head in! I still think the market is strong for BIG diesels so in turn you'd think residuals should be similar to they are now. I imagine we'll see more petrol variants bought as those that do little milage and only fill up once or twice a month won't care so much about mpg. We might even see the diesel models of cars such as the Cayenne hold up very in the used market if there are less bought new?MOORO said:
I have a petrol turbo Macan which is lighter than the Cayenne and I struggle to get low 20’s mpg driving sensibly. I can defo see diesels being less popular with political pressure, but for everyday use the diesel would suit the Cayenne best. Who knows on residuals with diesels from now on, I would be interested to see real World mpg with the new Cayenne petrols, I bet nowhere near the quoted figures and realistically getting on for half of the diesel mpg!
How are you finding the Macan? I'm popping into Porsche Leicester tomorrow for a look at the Macan and Cayenne but have to say the Macan GTS seems a great proposition on paper.I love the Macan Turbo, but it’s quite a bit smaller inside than the Cayenne. My little people are 5&7 so actually fits us well and if we ever end up doing a Euro family road trip I will a roof box on it. My brother has a year old Cayenne SD which I’ve driven quite a bit (what a weapon that is, monster torque, feels properly quick and makes a lovely noise, unhinged hot rod Cayenne!) so I can compare a bit.
I had Macan SD before the Turbo, the SD was great but a bit all or nothing in it’s power delivery whereas the Turbo is much more progressive. The SD was incredibly refined, but so is the Turbo. I had ordered a GTS but then got into my head to go the Turbo route instead, then man maths took over and justified the extra to go for the Performance Pack, but if I could turn back the clock I would have stuck with the GTS as it does everything the Turbo does and is very quick anyway, but just not quite as much poke as the Turbo, but the reality for me is how often do I drive foot to the floor - not that much because you have to rev it hard to get the performance which makes you look well you know in built up areas. Most of the time I’m wafting around driving reasonably quickly which the GTS would be just fine at, still makes the same noise and feels the same to drive, same expensive cabin feel, etc, but a reasonable amount less money to buy (about 8k difference with options I recall for the std Turbo / 12k diff for the Turbo PP which I have) - GTS bang for buck definitely the pick of the range I think. I’ve been told they are even worse on fuel than the Turbo, so don’t expect much more than 20 mpg around town and not much over 25 mpg on a run.
Best to test drive to see for yourself but I would certainly recommend if Macan is your preference, go GTS if sizewise that car works better for you, otherwise the new Cayenne looks great, especially with all the new tech. If Porsche bring out a new Cayenne SD (with the new V8 diesel) I would be very tempted. I can’t compare to the new Cayenne, but compared to prev. gen Cayenne the Macan feels more car like to drive (but still an SUV, but as good as it gets for an SUV) - just feels a more sophisticated set up than the Cayenne, but that’s probably down to the Cayenne being an older car and heavier. Even with the Macan Turbo if you floor it at mid revs in manual mode (without kicking down) you can really feel the weight of the car, yes it’s very quick, but it does not bolt away as the figures might suggest. Similar performance figures to an M2, but put your foot down in an M2 at mid revs and that would feel a lot quicker.
I’ve got 21’s and AIR suspension on mine - the ride quality is exceptionally good but it can feel a tiny bit floaty sometimes which I don’t mind as I wanted it to be as comfortable as possible, but if you want a more sporty ride the PASM may likely be better for that with great ride quality too. Only bit of spec I regret picking is the Burmester speaker upgrade, the Bose was great in my SD and if anything a better all round set up.
Enjoy the test drives...
I had Macan SD before the Turbo, the SD was great but a bit all or nothing in it’s power delivery whereas the Turbo is much more progressive. The SD was incredibly refined, but so is the Turbo. I had ordered a GTS but then got into my head to go the Turbo route instead, then man maths took over and justified the extra to go for the Performance Pack, but if I could turn back the clock I would have stuck with the GTS as it does everything the Turbo does and is very quick anyway, but just not quite as much poke as the Turbo, but the reality for me is how often do I drive foot to the floor - not that much because you have to rev it hard to get the performance which makes you look well you know in built up areas. Most of the time I’m wafting around driving reasonably quickly which the GTS would be just fine at, still makes the same noise and feels the same to drive, same expensive cabin feel, etc, but a reasonable amount less money to buy (about 8k difference with options I recall for the std Turbo / 12k diff for the Turbo PP which I have) - GTS bang for buck definitely the pick of the range I think. I’ve been told they are even worse on fuel than the Turbo, so don’t expect much more than 20 mpg around town and not much over 25 mpg on a run.
Best to test drive to see for yourself but I would certainly recommend if Macan is your preference, go GTS if sizewise that car works better for you, otherwise the new Cayenne looks great, especially with all the new tech. If Porsche bring out a new Cayenne SD (with the new V8 diesel) I would be very tempted. I can’t compare to the new Cayenne, but compared to prev. gen Cayenne the Macan feels more car like to drive (but still an SUV, but as good as it gets for an SUV) - just feels a more sophisticated set up than the Cayenne, but that’s probably down to the Cayenne being an older car and heavier. Even with the Macan Turbo if you floor it at mid revs in manual mode (without kicking down) you can really feel the weight of the car, yes it’s very quick, but it does not bolt away as the figures might suggest. Similar performance figures to an M2, but put your foot down in an M2 at mid revs and that would feel a lot quicker.
I’ve got 21’s and AIR suspension on mine - the ride quality is exceptionally good but it can feel a tiny bit floaty sometimes which I don’t mind as I wanted it to be as comfortable as possible, but if you want a more sporty ride the PASM may likely be better for that with great ride quality too. Only bit of spec I regret picking is the Burmester speaker upgrade, the Bose was great in my SD and if anything a better all round set up.
Enjoy the test drives...
garyhun said:
How are you finding the Macan? I'm popping into Porsche Leicester tomorrow for a look at the Macan and Cayenne but have to say the Macan GTS seems a great proposition on paper.
Yikes that’s quite a difference, even if the petrol returned a bit more than 20 mpg, diesel still half the cost over 15k miles and all personal preference but diesel suits the character of the car better. I think that’s the reality if the car is an everybody 10k+ mileage pa, you would end up bored and frustrated with filling it with fuel the whole time! My brother borrowed my Macan Turbo for a couple of weeks and said even if he drove it like Miss Daisy it was horrendous on fuel compared to his Cayenne SD. Makes the GT3 look economical!
Phooey said:
Crikey! I've just calculated my Cayenne diesel uses approx 1794 litres of fuel a year (15k miles) @ £1.21 per litre (uk average) is £2171. A petrol model at say 20mpg using premium unleaded at £1.34 (uk average) would be £4569. On top of that, having to go to the petrol station nearly twice a week would do my head in! I still think the market is strong for BIG diesels so in turn you'd think residuals should be similar to they are now. I imagine we'll see more petrol variants bought as those that do little milage and only fill up once or twice a month won't care so much about mpg. We might even see the diesel models of cars such as the Cayenne hold up very in the used market if there are less bought new?
Phooey said:
jh001ace said:
I’ve had both a diesel s and a v6 d, new one will be a petrol turbo, I can see the popularity of diesels tailing off in the next few years due to political pressures, there will always be people who need/want a diesel but I feel the numbers will be reducing.
The market for big diesels will always be strong until petrol models can offer same or very similar mpg. I've averaged nearly 40mpg in just over 3 years and 50k miles from my Cayenne V6d and as much as I like the new Cayenne I wouldn't buy one that does low twenties.Fokker said:
Yes I noticed today that parts of london were about to increase parking charges for oil burners. But why treat a 2017 euro6c diesel the same as an old smoker?
Its basically just another devious government money raising scam to prop up our over indebted skint public sector..The end is near..
Taffy66 said:
Its basically just another devious government money raising scam to prop up our over indebted skint public sector..The end is near..
They've said that Euro 6 diesels won't be affected, and there will be no draconian measures as previous governments had encouraged the use of diesels and it's not the owners fault.I don't believe 'em.
But they are already charging more for diesels to park etc.
It is coming.
A good customer of mine swapped his diesel S for a GTS and he said he went from 34mpg average to 27mpg average, so I guess it depends on the sort of driving you do.
He does 15k miles a year and said he was putting in £200 a month, pretty much every month in the diesel and it is now £250 a month.
He said considering the car is costing a £1000 a month to run the fuel bill difference is pretty much a non issue.
I can imagine that someone who does lots of longer journeys would find more difference though.
It is coming.
A good customer of mine swapped his diesel S for a GTS and he said he went from 34mpg average to 27mpg average, so I guess it depends on the sort of driving you do.
He does 15k miles a year and said he was putting in £200 a month, pretty much every month in the diesel and it is now £250 a month.
He said considering the car is costing a £1000 a month to run the fuel bill difference is pretty much a non issue.
I can imagine that someone who does lots of longer journeys would find more difference though.
With the whole petrol / diesel debate it will be interesting to see the take up of the new hybrid (once launched) verses the diesel as it cant be to far away from getting similar mpg.
I for certain will be ordering once its available as it suits our driving a lot as the bit hit on the mpg is the city driving.
I for certain will be ordering once its available as it suits our driving a lot as the bit hit on the mpg is the city driving.
MOORO said:
I would be interested to see what the hybrid is like, torque from the electric motors should go someway towards having more punch akin to a diesel, could be the pick of the range with the anti diesel going on if pricing is sensible...
The current hybrid was not a nice drive, the regenerative braking was driving me insane the test drive lasted 10min.Callughan said:
MOORO said:
I would be interested to see what the hybrid is like, torque from the electric motors should go someway towards having more punch akin to a diesel, could be the pick of the range with the anti diesel going on if pricing is sensible...
The current hybrid was not a nice drive, the regenerative braking was driving me insane the test drive lasted 10min.Just taken our S Diesel to Switzerland over Christmas.....650 miles each way, certainly handled the journey better than our old X5...and genuinely fun to drive for the last 200 miles of that, most of which is over the Jura Mountains before hitting the Alps. The extra range the Cayenne has over the X5 meant we only had to fill up once each way which was a real bonus when we were going out as we traveled on the 23rd when all the service stations on the Autoroute's were manic.
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