New Porsche Cayenne Diesel

[Not Ideal]

^^ nicely done !

[Cpt Stirling]

Cheib said:

Just taken our S Diesel to Switzerland over Christmas.....650 miles each way, certainly handled the journey better than our old X5...and genuinely fun to drive for the last 200 miles of that, most of which is over the Jura Mountains before hitting the Alps. The extra range the Cayenne has over the X5 meant we only had to fill up once each way which was a real bonus when we were going out as we traveled on the 23rd when all the service stations on the Autoroute's were manic.

Is that winter wheels and tyres you have there?

[Cheib]

Cpt Stirling said:

Is that winter wheels and tyres you have there?

Yes, absolute necessity as you can see! They're Porsche supplied 19"....they're actually silver but they're very dirty in that photo.

[sajafzal]

Sounds like thats it folks for Porsche Diesel's, shame have enjoyed mine

Saj

[anonymous-user]

sajafzal said:

Sounds like thats it folks for Porsche Diesel's, shame have enjoyed mine

Saj

Is that not just until they sort out the cheat software?

[anonymous-user]

Ah. I see now..... https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[Cheib]

I reckon this means we'll keep ours for a good few years....I looked at the Hybrid but for the miles we do and the use it gets just doesn't work very well for us. Maybe we'll get a Mission E in a few years and drive the Cayenne into the ground as a Mission E will be no good for trips to Europe etc

[Cobnapint]

Yep, made me even more determined to keep mine.

[catfood12]

Same here. Can't find an even remotely comparable car to my Cayenne Diesel S. It's now a decade keeper. I do lots of miles, have a family to accommodate and lug round at weekends, and am often running late and need to press on. What other vehicle could do all of these so well, whilst returning 35 MPG ?

[5to1]

catfood12 said:

Same here. Can't find an even remotely comparable car to my Cayenne Diesel S. It's now a decade keeper. I do lots of miles, have a family to accommodate and lug round at weekends, and am often running late and need to press on. What other vehicle could do all of these so well, whilst returning 35 MPG ?

steady on. It's a great car but there are alternatives. X5/X6 both decent alternatives. Also if you've got money to spend on a new Cayenne then i'm sorry but the cost of fuel really shouldn't bother you that much. You'll lose your pants on depreciation over 3 years. Whereas, even at higher mileages, differences between cost of running a modern petrol versus diesel are nothing by comparison.

As an example over 100k miles:

Diesel @ 35mpg & £1.24/l = £16,106

Petrol @ 25mpg & £1.21/l = £22,003

Hardly a defining factor when purchasing a ~£70k car. And we still haven't factored in servicing/maintenance/consumable costs, which brings the relative difference as a proportion of overall outlay down even further.

I'm not a diesel knocker, got one on the drive right now. But some perspective

Edited by 5to1 on Wednesday 21st February 09:16

Edited by 5to1 on Wednesday 21st February 09:16

[Burwood]

5to1 said:

catfood12 said:

Same here. Can't find an even remotely comparable car to my Cayenne Diesel S. It's now a decade keeper. I do lots of miles, have a family to accommodate and lug round at weekends, and am often running late and need to press on. What other vehicle could do all of these so well, whilst returning 35 MPG ?

steady on. It's a great car but there are alternatives. X5/X6 both decent alternatives. Also if you've got money to spend on a new Cayenne then i'm sorry but the cost of fuel really shouldn't bother you that much. You'll lose your pants on depreciation over 3 years. Whereas, even at higher mileages, differences between cost of running a modern petrol versus diesel are nothing by comparison.

As an example over 100k miles:

Diesel @ 35mpg & £1.24/l = £16,106

Petrol @ 25mpg & £1.21/l = £22,003

Hardly a defining factor when purchasing a ~£70k car. And we still haven't factored in servicing/maintenance/consumable costs, which brings the relative difference as a proportion of overall outlay down even further.

I'm not a diesel knocker, got one on the drive right now. But some perspective

Edited by 5to1 on Wednesday 21st February 09:16

Edited by 5to1 on Wednesday 21st February 09:16

The appeal of Diesel for me would be the significant extra range on long journeys.

[5to1]

Burwood said:

5to1 said:

catfood12 said:

Same here. Can't find an even remotely comparable car to my Cayenne Diesel S. It's now a decade keeper. I do lots of miles, have a family to accommodate and lug round at weekends, and am often running late and need to press on. What other vehicle could do all of these so well, whilst returning 35 MPG ?

steady on. It's a great car but there are alternatives. X5/X6 both decent alternatives. Also if you've got money to spend on a new Cayenne then i'm sorry but the cost of fuel really shouldn't bother you that much. You'll lose your pants on depreciation over 3 years. Whereas, even at higher mileages, differences between cost of running a modern petrol versus diesel are nothing by comparison.

As an example over 100k miles:

Diesel @ 35mpg & £1.24/l = £16,106

Petrol @ 25mpg & £1.21/l = £22,003

Hardly a defining factor when purchasing a ~£70k car. And we still haven't factored in servicing/maintenance/consumable costs, which brings the relative difference as a proportion of overall outlay down even further.

I'm not a diesel knocker, got one on the drive right now. But some perspective

Edited by 5to1 on Wednesday 21st February 09:16

Edited by 5to1 on Wednesday 21st February 09:16

The appeal of Diesel for me would be the significant extra range on long journeys.

Really? If you travel on routes where petrol stations are few and far between I can understand that. But otherwise (as someone put it on another thread), my car may have a 700 mile range but my bladder has an ~200 mile range. My legs possibly ~300 miles. My Mrs ~70 miles and there's usually a stop required 5 mins after we've set off :/ And my kid, well she's pretty unpredictable, but she certainly couldn't do anywhere near 700 miles.

In fact even running around town I rarely fill it above 50% as I don't see the point carrying additional weight unless needed.

In any case, I can understand everyone is different. But in the context of previous posts, I struggle to see why range would really dictate running the current diesel in to the ground rather then buying a new petrol. Cost of course, as buying a new car is a pretty stupid financial decision. But range, really?

Edited by 5to1 on Wednesday 21st February 10:50

[Cheib]

The additional range of our Cayenne S Diesel made a big difference on our trip down to The Alps on 23rd Dec compared to our old X5. Roads were very busy and the service stations on the Autoroutes had 20 min queues for fuel....so on our one stop on the Autoroute we didn't need to bother with fuel and thus when we did fill up we used a French Supermarket which was 30% cheaper than the Autoroute service stations. Also meant that before we got to ur destination in Switzerland I filled the tank on the border so we could drive around Switzerland for a week without having to fill at Swiss fuel prices.

In the scheme of running a Cayenne and the costs of a skiing holiday in Switzerland it's small beer but the time saved on the journey and the money all helps!

And I think for a big family car the low down power/torque of a diesel really suits the use.

[5to1]

Cheib said:

The additional range of our Cayenne S Diesel made a big difference on our trip down to The Alps on 23rd Dec compared to our old X5. Roads were very busy and the service stations on the Autoroutes had 20 min queues for fuel....so on our one stop on the Autoroute we didn't need to bother with fuel and thus when we did fill up we used a French Supermarket which was 30% cheaper than the Autoroute service stations. Also meant that before we got to ur destination in Switzerland I filled the tank on the border so we could drive around Switzerland for a week without having to fill at Swiss fuel prices.

In the scheme of running a Cayenne and the costs of a skiing holiday in Switzerland it's small beer but the time saved on the journey and the money all helps!

And I think for a big family car the low down power/torque of a diesel really suits the use.

I can certainly see some cases where range may be useful. But its not a zero sum equation. On the flip side a plug in hybrid that you can charge at home could save fill ups as well. And wouldn't an EV/Hybrid have signifiant low down torque and instant power?

I'm just saying I don't understand the posts suggesting the demise of diesel makes their current Diesel Cayenne a keeper suddenly. If you buy cheap cars and stick lots of miles on them, I can understand these may be worrying developments. But for everyone else that buys a relatively new car, not really. Many more important factors to worry about.

[Cobnapint]

5to1 said:

I can certainly see some cases where range may be useful. But its not a zero sum equation. On the flip side a plug in hybrid that you can charge at home could save fill ups as well. And wouldn't an EV/Hybrid have signifiant low down torque and instant power?

But, if you do big miles, you can only benefit from that overnight charge and extra torque for a small part of your journey. Once the batteries are cooked, you'll be burning extra fuel carrying them around all day and while charging the things back up. You have to put energy in to get it out, and unless you take a portable charger with you, or your prepared to sit at numerous charging points for extended periods on the way, it rather defeats the object.

[Burwood]

5to1 said:

Burwood said:

5to1 said:

catfood12 said:

Same here. Can't find an even remotely comparable car to my Cayenne Diesel S. It's now a decade keeper. I do lots of miles, have a family to accommodate and lug round at weekends, and am often running late and need to press on. What other vehicle could do all of these so well, whilst returning 35 MPG ?

steady on. It's a great car but there are alternatives. X5/X6 both decent alternatives. Also if you've got money to spend on a new Cayenne then i'm sorry but the cost of fuel really shouldn't bother you that much. You'll lose your pants on depreciation over 3 years. Whereas, even at higher mileages, differences between cost of running a modern petrol versus diesel are nothing by comparison.

As an example over 100k miles:

Diesel @ 35mpg & £1.24/l = £16,106

Petrol @ 25mpg & £1.21/l = £22,003

Hardly a defining factor when purchasing a ~£70k car. And we still haven't factored in servicing/maintenance/consumable costs, which brings the relative difference as a proportion of overall outlay down even further.

I'm not a diesel knocker, got one on the drive right now. But some perspective

Edited by 5to1 on Wednesday 21st February 09:16

Edited by 5to1 on Wednesday 21st February 09:16

The appeal of Diesel for me would be the significant extra range on long journeys.

Really? If you travel on routes where petrol stations are few and far between I can understand that. But otherwise (as someone put it on another thread), my car may have a 700 mile range but my bladder has an ~200 mile range. My legs possibly ~300 miles. My Mrs ~70 miles and there's usually a stop required 5 mins after we've set off :/ And my kid, well she's pretty unpredictable, but she certainly couldn't do anywhere near 700 miles.

In fact even running around town I rarely fill it above 50% as I don't see the point carrying additional weight unless needed.

In any case, I can understand everyone is different. But in the context of previous posts, I struggle to see why range would really dictate running the current diesel in to the ground rather then buying a new petrol. Cost of course, as buying a new car is a pretty stupid financial decision. But range, really?

Edited by 5to1 on Wednesday 21st February 10:50

Agreed on the wee stops. I just hate the process of filling up. It's often a dirty, long process. But I do see what you're saying makes sense. Perhaps the mind set needs a reset. There is also the same thoughts about longevity. Diesel engines last a lot longer but i will admit that modern petrol engines can still cope with very high miles. And perhaps the engine is not the thing to worry about in modern cars. It's all the other bits that fail.

[5to1]

Cobnapint said:

But, if you do big miles, you can only benefit from that overnight charge and extra torque for a small part of your journey. Once the batteries are cooked, you'll be burning extra fuel carrying them around all day and while charging the things back up. You have to put energy in to get it out, and unless you take a portable charger with you, or your prepared to sit at numerous charging points for extended periods on the way, it rather defeats the object.

Have a guess why newer cars are switching to 48v.

If you really drive in such a manner get a non hybrid petrol. Surely someone that runs a Cayenne for big miles can afford one or two £k a year difference in fuel costs. If you're really putting ~30k (what I consider big miles) on a year the depreciation alone will be eye watering by comparison. Let alone cost of consumables/maintenance.

In reality I don't think the examples cited typify many peoples use. I'm interested to hear your usage profile. What's big miles? How often do you do them? How many days of the year would you only do shorter journeys (where the hybrid or EV would save you money/filling up)? How much is annual depreciation/maintenance as a result of the big miles?

The way hybrids/EV are heading they could soon mean zero petrol used for 30 or 40 mile round trips @ <40mph. I think for many people (even if they also do big miles) that will offset the disadvantages. Until of course tax revenue drops and the exchequer has to find another way to get his ounce of flesh!

Edited by 5to1 on Wednesday 21st February 13:54

Edited by 5to1 on Wednesday 21st February 13:55

[pete]

I've done 28k miles in 4 years in a Cayenne 3.0 Diesel. It has been a lovely place to sit for those miles, and the 700+ mile range means I've spent little of my life on filling station forecourts, but I am now looking forward to its 440bhp petrol replacement :-) I bought it expecting to cover almost double that mileage, but I'm now in exactly the situation that 5to1 mentions; a few more quid a year on fuel is immaterial compared to the other running costs.

[5to1]

Burwood said:

Agreed on the wee stops. I just hate the process of filling up. It's often a dirty, long process.

Train the Mrs.



Then tell me how you managed to train her, because i've failed dismally :/

[Cobnapint]

5to1 said:

Cobnapint said:

But, if you do big miles, you can only benefit from that overnight charge and extra torque for a small part of your journey. Once the batteries are cooked, you'll be burning extra fuel carrying them around all day and while charging the things back up. You have to put energy in to get it out, and unless you take a portable charger with you, or your prepared to sit at numerous charging points for extended periods on the way, it rather defeats the object.

Have a guess why newer cars are switching to 48v.

If you really drive in such a manner get a non hybrid petrol. Surely someone that runs a Cayenne for big miles can afford one or two £k a year difference in fuel costs. If you're really putting ~30k (what I consider big miles) on a year the depreciation alone will be eye watering by comparison. Let alone cost of consumables/maintenance.

In reality I don't think the examples cited typify many peoples use. I'm interested to hear your usage profile. What's big miles? How often do you do them? How many days of the year would you only do shorter journeys (where the hybrid or EV would save you money/filling up)? How much is annual depreciation/maintenance as a result of the big miles?

The way hybrids/EV are heading they could soon mean zero petrol used for 30 or 40 mile round trips @ <40mph. I think for many people (even if they also do big miles) that will offset the disadvantages. Until of course tax revenue drops and the exchequer has to find another way to get his ounce of flesh!

48V is appearing because cars have that much tech in them these days the poor old 12V batt is reaching its limits, plus it helps with performance and emissions by spooling the first turbo up without the engine having to waste fuel doing it.

And don't get on at me, I didn't quote the mpg figures. Good mpg is a great side effect admittedly, but I prefer diesel because of the way it drives.