RE: New 911

Tuesday 11th May 2004

New 911

Latest generation of design classic on sale in September


Porsche today releases first pictures of its new 911 model. On sale in the UK from September 18th, the car is certainly evolutionary rather than revolutionary.

Two new 911 models will be launched simultaneously: the 911 Carrera with a 239 kW (325 bhp), 3.6 litre six cylinder ‘boxer’ engine, and the 911 Carrera S, powered by a newly-developed 3.8 litre engine, which delivers 261 kW (355 bhp). With torque output of 400 Nm (295 lb ft), the S model accelerates from zero to 100 kph (0-62 mph) in 4.8 seconds. The Carrera achieves this in exactly five seconds. Top speeds for the Carrera and Carrera S are 177 mph (285 kph) and 182 mph (293 kph) respectively.

The new 911 models will be launched across continental Europe on July 17th and will go on sale throughout the UK from September 18th. The car will make its world Motor Show debut at the Paris Salon in September.

Both 911 models have a newly-developed six-speed manual gearbox and revised chassis dynamics, which includes active suspension, called "Porsche Active Suspension Management" (PASM).  In the "normal" position, PASM provides a sporty and comfortable balance to the suspension; engaging the "sport" function, however, makes the suspension firmer providing enhanced agility for enthusiastic drivers. PASM is fitted as standard on the S model and available as an option on the Carrera. A further option for both models is a sports suspension package, which lowers the body by 20 mm, offered in combination with a mechanical limited-slip differential.

The specification of the wheels and tyres fitted to the Porsche 911 has also evolved: the 911 Carrera now has, as standard, 8J x 18 wheels with 235/40 ZR 18 tyres at the front and 10J x 18 wheels with 265/40 ZR 18 tyres at the rear. For the first time, 19 inch diameter wheels are available on the Porsche 911 and the Carrera S is equipped with 8J x 19 wheels with 235/35 ZR 19 tyres (front) and 11J x 19 wheels with 295/30 ZR 19 tyres (rear).

The price for the new Porsche 911 Carrera is £58,380 (including VAT) and £65,000 for the 911 Carrera S. Both models offer Porsche Stability Management (PSM) fitted as standard. These prices also include UK specification feature content including full leather interior trim and graduated tinted windscreen.

The new Porsche 911 will not be shown at The Sunday Times Motor Show Live at the Birmingham NEC in May!

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vrooom

Original Poster:

3,763 posts

268 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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I like the front end, its proper porsche (round headlights) but rear end.. look iffy hmm.

I wish they do something about interior. never seen so bland interior.

Jay

tinto

5 posts

259 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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LOOKS LIKE A RETURN TO THE 993 -
ALTHOUGH ONE SHOULD BUY A 993 OUTRIGHT - BECAUSE THEY'RE MUCH BETTER CARS. THEY TOOK 450 HRS TO BUILD APOSED TO THE 996 THAT IS BUILT ON A PRODUCTION LIKE A MAZDA AND ONLY TAKES 150 HRS TO BUILD - STILL A GOOD CAR COURSE, BUT BUILD QUALITY IS DOWN, AND it has SILLY GADGETS IN THE EXHAST TO IMERTAKE THE AIRCOOLED ENGINE noise of the old porkers( much better to hear engine than exhast, unless you're a spoty boy racer with a trumpet exhast)........................ Why not just buy the real thing e.g. pre 97 air-cooled Porker

dick dastardly

8,315 posts

264 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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No way does that qualify as a 'new' 911. It's just a facelift and not even too great a one at that

snorky

2,322 posts

252 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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Oh how original ANOTHER 911 - Jeez

Thom

1,716 posts

248 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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This is a fake 911. The last real 911 was the 993 (assuming its shell was an evolution of the 3.2/964's shell).
This is not a real Porsche, it's yet another soul-less mass-produced vehicle.





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damiancanning

4 posts

240 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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That has to be the worst interior of any porsche I have ever seen. Give me a bucket!!!!

RichardD

3,560 posts

246 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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Is it me, or does every new Porsche have +200cc and +20bhp over the similar old model?

I guess doing something like this you can drag out an upgrade path for decades......

IPAddis

2,471 posts

285 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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RichardD said:
Is it me, or does every new Porsche have +200cc and +20bhp over the similar old model?

I guess doing something like this you can drag out an upgrade path for decades......


Not for long. Apparently the flat six can only be bored out to 4 litres max! They were thinking about the next version being a V8

MILF

1,209 posts

246 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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We all know the 911 is a style icon, but come on Porsche, a slightly modified set of headlights do not a new car make.

Hopefully, the new AM V8 will finally give the 911 some real competition and give Porsche the impetus it seemingly needs to actually bring out an entirely new 911, as opposed to the myriad of small evolutionary updates we are subject to.

If not, then in view of the new Lotus Esprit, new NSX, various BMWs/Audis/Mercedes etc, I really do fear for the long term viability of Porsche as an independent manufacturer.

jumjum

347 posts

259 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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Another gorgeous evolution of a classic design, why fix what isn't broken, especailly as they are still one of the most efficient performance cars available.

wedgepilot

819 posts

284 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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I'm really not sure about this one, that front end just doesn't look right to me. I know it's trying to be more '993-esque', but there's a bit of a 'new beetle' look to it and it seems too long and flat. The back doesn't look much different from the 996, IMHO. And yes, the interior is dull.

Alan

Harris_I

3,229 posts

260 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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MILF said:

Hopefully, the new AM V8 will finally give the 911 some real competition and give Porsche the impetus it seemingly needs to actually bring out an entirely new 911, as opposed to the myriad of small evolutionary updates we are subject to.

If not, then in view of the new Lotus Esprit, new NSX, various BMWs/Audis/Mercedes etc, I really do fear for the long term viability of Porsche as an independent manufacturer.


I disagree. On every empirical level, Porsche always improve the 911 with each new iteration. Don't forget, this is a car with 40 years of development behind it, and other manufacturers are still struggling to touch it for all round ability (and, yes, even value for money). Porsche don't need to bribe the Evo team at each Car of the Year event to result in 4 of the last 6 years being won by some variant of the 911.

That doesn't suggest at all that Porsche are losing their way. I also wonder how much time the air-cooled purists have spent behind the wheel of a 996. With a sports suspension and sports exhaust I honestly cannot see how the 996 can be compared unfavourably with a 993.

veewhy

708 posts

253 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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wedgepilot said:
I'm really not sure about this one, that front end just doesn't look right to me. I know it's trying to be more '993-esque', but there's a bit of a 'new beetle' look to it and it seems too long and flat. The back doesn't look much different from the 996, IMHO. And yes, the interior is dull.

Alan


Definately agree. It needs a small airscoop below the windshield. and a sculpted bonnet like the 993's. As for the inside, where's the cockpit?, where's the sense of sporting occasion. It does at last seem to have a 3-spoke wheel (maybe it belongs to the 'S'), but why does it have to look like something from a poncy Range Rover/Sunseeker?. All the tension between the lines and curves is wrong, there's something mock Alfa-Romeo about the general direction, it's all wrong Dieter!!!!!. Also, that bonnet should come down further to meet the bumper, but they were obviously 'inspired' by the Carrera GT. and why do they still insist on ignoring the wonderful full length reflector across the back, they make the 997's rear quarter look Audi TT'esque. Arrrrghgh. I'm off to my garage to admire the beutiful form and function of my 993, which apparently was restyled by one of England's finest...


Mr Whippy

29,100 posts

242 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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I think the Carrera C4S of late was a worth while Porsche to represent Porsches of old.

Just give the C4S round headlights and it'd follow the design ethic much better than this ugly thing.
It'd have the strip between the tail lights and the nice waisted looks.

The dual twin exhausts ruin on this new car ruin the understated look.
And yeah, I think the interior is starting to look "normal" too. That steering wheel looks awfull with it's square bevel edges.

Evolution of a design was Porsches ethic with the 911, but when they went water cooled it was somewhat ruined. Now they've made the shape uglier too by making the rear lights squinty and the front has too many gaping air holes.

I'd just be tempted to get something like the Ruf tuned 993 911 Turbo that had a review on here a while back than buy something that has no heritage but the name, and spangly retro round headlights!

Dave

roygarth

2,674 posts

249 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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2 models with 25BHP difference, what's the point?

chaos

45 posts

264 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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Is it just me or does the front end look like a flattened new VW beetle?

AndySA

900 posts

264 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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How in any sportscar can you have a dash that looks as if it has been lifted unchanged from an SUV? I quite like the new external styling even if it is a bit bland. But even a Noble looks better inside now.

igg

273 posts

261 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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In case you are interested, the new 911 is fully featured in this weeks Autocar.
Can't say I'm sure about the front lights, and interior - guess it's 'wait and see what it looks like in the flesh' time.

John Nowak

108 posts

245 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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Gorgeous. I'd love to see that thing in white with some red wheels. Mmm.

It doesn't look -at all- like a Beatle. Look at the picture further down with both cars in it. How can you say that it looks at all like a Beatle?

As for the interior, Porsches are always very practical cars... even the Turbo version (perhaps especially the Turbo versions what with the 4WD and all).

As for the mass production... so what? I've never heard of a hand-built car holding up as well as a Toyota. I understand why it bothers you, but its all part of Porsche Practicality™.

But yes, I too would like a RUF 996 Turbo. *grin*

Lotusacbc

2,591 posts

285 months

Tuesday 11th May 2004
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Looks like the same old Porsche to me. I find funny how the Lotus Esprit through the years got continuously criticized on how they all basically havent changed since forever, yet Porsche looks the same EVERY year.