No-one wants to buy Tuscans any more?!
Discussion
BEARDYB0Y said:
ChocolateFrog said:
That's broadly what I was thinking. I'd say TVR people are generally what? 40+ (que lots of owners under 40 piping up).
I was 22 when I bought my Tamora last year... but I have very different tastes to most 22 year olds. A friend of mine said to me the other day that he didnt get the TVR thing until we were at a car show togeather. His C63 got practically ignored while everyone wanted pictures of the TVR. Nothing compares to the drama and experiance of a TVR.
At the same show I had a young lad about 12 years old come up to me who was very clued into the TVR history. If we want the next generation to aspire to the brand we must ensure we are feeding that passion and we dont turn them away.
Maybe there is hope yet!
TVRs were always bought by people who wanted something other than the obvious mainstream.
The same is true today.
As I mentioned earlier, there is still a generation coming up who loved TVRs as kids. They are mostly still busy with their own kids and careers and haven’t got the time to indulge themselves yet.
But eventually they will.
swisstoni said:
BEARDYB0Y said:
ChocolateFrog said:
That's broadly what I was thinking. I'd say TVR people are generally what? 40+ (que lots of owners under 40 piping up).
I was 22 when I bought my Tamora last year... but I have very different tastes to most 22 year olds. A friend of mine said to me the other day that he didnt get the TVR thing until we were at a car show togeather. His C63 got practically ignored while everyone wanted pictures of the TVR. Nothing compares to the drama and experiance of a TVR.
At the same show I had a young lad about 12 years old come up to me who was very clued into the TVR history. If we want the next generation to aspire to the brand we must ensure we are feeding that passion and we dont turn them away.
Maybe there is hope yet!
TVRs were always bought by people who wanted something other than the obvious mainstream.
The same is true today.
As I mentioned earlier, there is still a generation coming up who loved TVRs as kids. They are mostly still busy with their own kids and careers and haven’t got the time to indulge themselves yet.
But eventually they will.
Light heated comment of course but then he said "I had one of these on my bedroom wall as a kid".
You all know what I am about to say, said it before but.... here we go again.
If you want the video game on easy buy a semi auto flappy paddle thing, you will get to 60 in the same 4 and a bit every time, have ABS, TC, a nice sound system and aircon that works really well and of course loads of nice comments until you park next to a TVR, which model matters little but the T cars tend to attract more attention simply because they are "more out there", and that point you become a spectator. I was at the Hever Castle meet a few weeks back, surrounded by Lambos and other stuff 3-4 x the value of Sag, yet the crowds didn't stop gathering around Saggy. My son in law who is seriously looking for a Performante was stunned. He now gets why I will never sell. The Tuscan has the same effect.
Back to the topic I think there are buyers out there but the constant unreliability chant doesn't help, how many threads are on here about problems so the headline is far from the fact when you consider cars with correctly rebuilt engines, which surely outnumber those without now. Which car next??? tends to be be driven by a fashion, the SD1 has climbed in value in the last few years, want what I had when I was young... yep it happens. ULEZ has sparked interest in some 70's/80's stock, most people on here wouldn't mind commuting in a 2.8 Capri, take the value Vs a 2 year old compliant car and the old 80's blue oval rocket looks like a sensible choice as it surely will not depreciate like a euro box, sadly the TVRs that are compliant are not really daily drivers, so perhaps the fate that is dragging 90's cars and later to the crusher is pulling interest away from the sub 40 Tiv.
My final comment is that I have met numerous ex TVR owners who now own Pork, Ferrari, Aston etc and all say how they love the new thing but miss the Tiv. Maybe when values rise they will buy again, who knows. Until then laugh in secret at the sheep.
If you want the video game on easy buy a semi auto flappy paddle thing, you will get to 60 in the same 4 and a bit every time, have ABS, TC, a nice sound system and aircon that works really well and of course loads of nice comments until you park next to a TVR, which model matters little but the T cars tend to attract more attention simply because they are "more out there", and that point you become a spectator. I was at the Hever Castle meet a few weeks back, surrounded by Lambos and other stuff 3-4 x the value of Sag, yet the crowds didn't stop gathering around Saggy. My son in law who is seriously looking for a Performante was stunned. He now gets why I will never sell. The Tuscan has the same effect.
Back to the topic I think there are buyers out there but the constant unreliability chant doesn't help, how many threads are on here about problems so the headline is far from the fact when you consider cars with correctly rebuilt engines, which surely outnumber those without now. Which car next??? tends to be be driven by a fashion, the SD1 has climbed in value in the last few years, want what I had when I was young... yep it happens. ULEZ has sparked interest in some 70's/80's stock, most people on here wouldn't mind commuting in a 2.8 Capri, take the value Vs a 2 year old compliant car and the old 80's blue oval rocket looks like a sensible choice as it surely will not depreciate like a euro box, sadly the TVRs that are compliant are not really daily drivers, so perhaps the fate that is dragging 90's cars and later to the crusher is pulling interest away from the sub 40 Tiv.
My final comment is that I have met numerous ex TVR owners who now own Pork, Ferrari, Aston etc and all say how they love the new thing but miss the Tiv. Maybe when values rise they will buy again, who knows. Until then laugh in secret at the sheep.
Now that the earliest cars are 23 years old they have become a classic car rather than a sports car. A car that people use for a few months in the summer and take to car shows. The older they get the more unreliable they become and the more expensive they are to maintain. They are also a lot more expensive to purchase than they use to be. I purchased a 2000 Tuscan Red Rose with an engine rebuild in 2008 for £17,500 from a TVR dealer. Kept the car for 13 years with the first 6 years as my only car. I sold the car because electrical issues caused it to keep breaking down.
Thought about buying another but ordered an Atom instead. I think the cars are too old to be used as sports cars without full restoration including replacing all electrics.
Thought about buying another but ordered an Atom instead. I think the cars are too old to be used as sports cars without full restoration including replacing all electrics.
ColdoRS said:
I put mine up again 2 nights ago with a chunky reduction and have had 8 different people interested, a couple
Backs up the theory that price is everything. Hopefully someone goes for it this time.
You'll sell a Tuscan a thousand times over at £10 and never at £100,000. The magic is finding the right number in between ;-)Backs up the theory that price is everything. Hopefully someone goes for it this time.
ColdoRS said:
I put mine up again 2 nights ago with a chunky reduction and have had 8 different people interested, a couple
Backs up the theory that price is everything. Hopefully someone goes for it this time.
That Tuscan is stunning, I’ve always loved it. Looks absolutely beautifully maintained and in a classy colour combo, it deserves to sell. Backs up the theory that price is everything. Hopefully someone goes for it this time.
robsco said:
ColdoRS said:
I put mine up again 2 nights ago with a chunky reduction and have had 8 different people interested, a couple
Backs up the theory that price is everything. Hopefully someone goes for it this time.
That Tuscan is stunning, I’ve always loved it. Looks absolutely beautifully maintained and in a classy colour combo, it deserves to sell. Backs up the theory that price is everything. Hopefully someone goes for it this time.
Hopefully someone else can enjoy her now, although nothing firm yet.
There's a lot going on at once I think.
Mortgage cosys have risen dramatically, pay hasn't.
The cost of living has increased markedly.
All motoring costs are rising fast.
ULEZ may be irrelevant to me, but a sizeable proportion of the UK population live in a low emissions zones in the UK now, or soon will, so somthing compliant is relevant to them..
The EV explosion has radically changed people's thinking about cars, even though used ones seem like a risk re battery life etc.
The threatened phasing out of ICE cars, perceived difficulties selling on in a few years time etc.
I remember greeting the Les Edgar TVR Griffith with excitement when I saw it at Burghley,.......but if I saw it for the first time now I would be wondering why it was being produced, and at that price.
There's a lot of choice out there for fun cars now for the sort of budget that the Tuscan will command.
Many more people these days will prefer something that simply works, has the toys and is somewhat newer than a Tuscan..
My 35-40 year old kids buy cars based on the amount of tech on a car, and how much a month it will cost them
If you ask yourself why so many TVRs seem to be for sale right now, one answer may be that more people have been trying to bale out in the last two years. That's my feeling, because the thought has crossed my mind more than once recently. Been here, done that, had the fun.
Mortgage cosys have risen dramatically, pay hasn't.
The cost of living has increased markedly.
All motoring costs are rising fast.
ULEZ may be irrelevant to me, but a sizeable proportion of the UK population live in a low emissions zones in the UK now, or soon will, so somthing compliant is relevant to them..
The EV explosion has radically changed people's thinking about cars, even though used ones seem like a risk re battery life etc.
The threatened phasing out of ICE cars, perceived difficulties selling on in a few years time etc.
I remember greeting the Les Edgar TVR Griffith with excitement when I saw it at Burghley,.......but if I saw it for the first time now I would be wondering why it was being produced, and at that price.
There's a lot of choice out there for fun cars now for the sort of budget that the Tuscan will command.
Many more people these days will prefer something that simply works, has the toys and is somewhat newer than a Tuscan..
My 35-40 year old kids buy cars based on the amount of tech on a car, and how much a month it will cost them
If you ask yourself why so many TVRs seem to be for sale right now, one answer may be that more people have been trying to bale out in the last two years. That's my feeling, because the thought has crossed my mind more than once recently. Been here, done that, had the fun.
Its a little sad reading the slow demise of a brand i once loved and had many happy memories with but i guess without the marque still being alive, thats what happens and has to many other brands over the years.
us TVR owners were so forgiving in the day over niggles as the bang for buck and outright performance from a relatively light car was grin inducing on the road and pretty effective on track to, i remember Richard at Peninsula just chucking my one set of keys after another saying ‘try it’ you might like it, it was all so easy and down to earth, none of that kind of attitude around anymore sadly.
Early morning blasts along the A31 down to Collumpton in your tuned TVR to get it serviced while you sat in the little chef eating breky, were some of my most memorable days.
I’m still making those kind of memories but i look back on them and TVRs very fondly & i guess thats what makes these times a little sad, i didnt know they had become that unpopular now, i guess much of that bang for buck is gone as their performance is nothing special these days
us TVR owners were so forgiving in the day over niggles as the bang for buck and outright performance from a relatively light car was grin inducing on the road and pretty effective on track to, i remember Richard at Peninsula just chucking my one set of keys after another saying ‘try it’ you might like it, it was all so easy and down to earth, none of that kind of attitude around anymore sadly.
Early morning blasts along the A31 down to Collumpton in your tuned TVR to get it serviced while you sat in the little chef eating breky, were some of my most memorable days.
I’m still making those kind of memories but i look back on them and TVRs very fondly & i guess thats what makes these times a little sad, i didnt know they had become that unpopular now, i guess much of that bang for buck is gone as their performance is nothing special these days
Edited by Kerniki on Monday 18th September 17:18
Kerniki said:
Its a little sad reading the slow demise of a brand i once loved and had many happy memories with but i guess without the marque still being alive, thats what happens and has to many other brands over the years.
us TVR owners were so forgiving in the day over niggles as the bang for buck and outright performance from a relatively light car was grin inducing on the road and pretty effective on track to, i remember Richard at Peninsula just chucking my one set of keys after another saying ‘try it’ you might like it, it was all so easy and down to earth, none of that kind of attitude around anymore sadly.
Early morning blasts along the A31 down to Collumpton in your tuned TVR to get it serviced while you sat in the little chef eating breky, were some of my most memorable days.
I’m still making those kind of memories but i look back on them and TVRs very fondly & i guess thats what makes these times a little sad, i didnt know they had become that unpopular now, i guess much of that bang for buck is gone as their performance is nothing special these days
They haven’t ‘become that unpopular’.us TVR owners were so forgiving in the day over niggles as the bang for buck and outright performance from a relatively light car was grin inducing on the road and pretty effective on track to, i remember Richard at Peninsula just chucking my one set of keys after another saying ‘try it’ you might like it, it was all so easy and down to earth, none of that kind of attitude around anymore sadly.
Early morning blasts along the A31 down to Collumpton in your tuned TVR to get it serviced while you sat in the little chef eating breky, were some of my most memorable days.
I’m still making those kind of memories but i look back on them and TVRs very fondly & i guess thats what makes these times a little sad, i didnt know they had become that unpopular now, i guess much of that bang for buck is gone as their performance is nothing special these days
Edited by Kerniki on Monday 18th September 17:18
Someone was asking top dollar for a badly advertised Tuscan and jumped to the conclusion that “nobody buys Tuscans any more”.
One thing TVR owners and ex-owners have always been brilliant at is talking the brand down.
swisstoni said:
Kerniki said:
Its a little sad reading the slow demise of a brand i once loved and had many happy memories with but i guess without the marque still being alive, thats what happens and has to many other brands over the years.
us TVR owners were so forgiving in the day over niggles as the bang for buck and outright performance from a relatively light car was grin inducing on the road and pretty effective on track to, i remember Richard at Peninsula just chucking my one set of keys after another saying ‘try it’ you might like it, it was all so easy and down to earth, none of that kind of attitude around anymore sadly.
Early morning blasts along the A31 down to Collumpton in your tuned TVR to get it serviced while you sat in the little chef eating breky, were some of my most memorable days.
I’m still making those kind of memories but i look back on them and TVRs very fondly & i guess thats what makes these times a little sad, i didnt know they had become that unpopular now, i guess much of that bang for buck is gone as their performance is nothing special these days
They haven’t ‘become that unpopular’.us TVR owners were so forgiving in the day over niggles as the bang for buck and outright performance from a relatively light car was grin inducing on the road and pretty effective on track to, i remember Richard at Peninsula just chucking my one set of keys after another saying ‘try it’ you might like it, it was all so easy and down to earth, none of that kind of attitude around anymore sadly.
Early morning blasts along the A31 down to Collumpton in your tuned TVR to get it serviced while you sat in the little chef eating breky, were some of my most memorable days.
I’m still making those kind of memories but i look back on them and TVRs very fondly & i guess thats what makes these times a little sad, i didnt know they had become that unpopular now, i guess much of that bang for buck is gone as their performance is nothing special these days
Edited by Kerniki on Monday 18th September 17:18
Someone was asking top dollar for a badly advertised Tuscan and jumped to the conclusion that “nobody buys Tuscans any more”.
One thing TVR owners and ex-owners have always been brilliant at is talking the brand down.
sought of how it read though and not looked at them for year and years, no need to grieve for TVR yet then 
glow worm said:
I notice a Tuscan Convertible has just been advertised for £47,750 @ 27.5k miles , not bad when it was bought for £31,000 @ 15.5k miles 12 years ago ... a nearly £17k INCREASE in 12 years would not be achieved on many modern cars
£31k in 2001 would be more like £66k plus allowing for inflation though. The last Griffs were about £40k I think, new, so how old would a Tuscan Convertible have been to be £31k?MikeE said:
I've seen this attitude a few times on Facebook TVR groups (and other car groups) where people put a couple of words together and one picture then expect potential buyers to do all the running and ask numerous questions to get the basic info you need to even decide if you want to go see it, and of course then every interested party has to go through the same dance, rediculous and lazy on the part of the seller in my opinion.
As in almost every other area of life, If you want someone to buy your product/you want their money then you have to work for it, it's not the buyer to pursue you for basic info.
Good pont well made Mike. I'm waiting for the first ad to appear on Faceache that says 'I've got a car to sell, ring me if you need one'!As in almost every other area of life, If you want someone to buy your product/you want their money then you have to work for it, it's not the buyer to pursue you for basic info.
Hi all, first post on here but as a new TVR owner I couldn't resist chipping in! Having recently purchased a MK1 Tuscan I know I'm firmly still in the honeymoon phase but these have been a dream car for me ever since I saw one in the film Swordfish and thought what the **** is that!! I've owned all sorts, from classic MK3 Spitfire to BMW 4.8 V8 and driven Astons, Ferraris, Porsches and absolutely nothing comes close to the sheer drama of driving a Tuscan. I've probably been seriously considering a Tuscan for the past 2 years and read every post on here and facebook to build up as much knowledge as possible. What has amazed me is how many owners talk the brand down and devalue their prized asset in the process. TVR's are incredible, individual and bonkers at the same time and they should be being talked up for these reasons. I'll give you a couple of examples... Take a mate out for his first experience of a Tuscan, apart from the usual "how do you get in it?" "How do you get out of it”, he asked about what the giant gold button did in the centre console, after a number of funny suggestions I simply swirl it around to reveal the state of the art ash tray...brilliant! My 13 year old son who knew nothing of TVR (but does now) was not that bothered about it until I took him out, let's just say he's now a believer! He’s experienced nothing like it! I can only speak for the Tuscan but taking it out is an event in itself. Yes, it's not for the faint hearted or shy retiring type but if you like a bit of drama and literally every person looking at the car then there is NOTHING that compares to one of these for the money. It's the visceral experience that cannot be matched in my opinion. Back to the relevant reply to this post, I think there are buyers out there BUT they are clued up. A bit like houses, if it’s too much money it won’t sell and if it lingers around with multiple price reductions people think there is a problem and ignore. Also do your homework about what buyers are looking for and expect. For example I went to see one and asked about the warm up procedure (I’d already done my homework) he said he left it idling for 10-15 minutes, I didn’t even bother with a test drive. Also niggles are to be expected with a 20 year old car but just be honest about them, I don’t want to be told that everything is spot on and then drive 2 hours to view the car and find the display cutting out when I press the menu button, it will put off a buyer and once trust is gone with a car like this that’s it finished. I say all this and then I’ll breakdown next time I’m out, well guess what that’s life! I once had a 4x4 Navara and first time we had snow it broke down! Something fuel related, stuck on the side of a B road waiting for recovery, that was a rubbish experience but soon after that I used it to tow a transit van out of a field. My point is these things can happen with any car. Many Tuscans are now better than when they left the factory from new and this should be being talked up also. For what it’s worth I do think there is a future for TVR. Synthetic fuel is being developed and refined all the time and even if that’s not the answer I intend on enjoying the car while I am able and not listening to all the scaremongering out there, life is far to short!
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