Almost sold my Tuscan due to poor handling! Fixed for £20!

Almost sold my Tuscan due to poor handling! Fixed for £20!

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Jonny TVR

4,534 posts

282 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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GT TVR said:
Agree with Derek.
My MKII S was already good to begin with, hardly any bumpsteer. But changing the geometry (to what Derek recommends), decent dampers (with a softer set up, standard is sooo hard on an S) and Eibach springs and increasing the castor took it to another level (or two). It is now very good. Curious to know if the spacers will change anything, will report back.

Edited by GT TVR on Thursday 16th September 18:35
I have a mk2 S with gaz golds and it made a big difference

Avalanche

615 posts

239 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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I'm waitng on the post...c'mon postie!

dvs_dave

8,642 posts

226 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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Ab Shocks said:
dvs_dave said:
Can one of you suspension specialists (SP or Ab) do a bump steer measurement....
I would expect to see a definate toe out in bump.....I still point to lack of caster possibly not helping the situation.
Isn't a small amount of toe out what you want to aim for if zero isn't possible rather than toe in? I presume a Tuscan exibits too much toe out?

The Tuscan has 3 different front upper wish bones 2000, 2001 and 2002 onwards. The latter shared with all T-series cars including the Sag so there should be a clear correlation across the range and optimised settings for each version. What are the differences between the wishbones?

Edited by dvs_dave on Wednesday 22 September 19:44

Tuscan Wil

417 posts

187 months

Friday 24th September 2010
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I have got mine on the post. But i can't take the wheels off. none of the wheel nuts spanner from my other cars fit the wheel nuts for the tuscan. Sorry for being dumb, can anyone tell me if I can get the spanner from halford or something, if so does anyone know what size do I need to buy. Very frustrated indeed that I got the parts but not be able to fix them. looking forward to feel the difference. Thanks!

froggie

896 posts

243 months

Saturday 25th September 2010
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But didnt you/someone upset the handaling by fitting 18" alloys and upsetting offsett in the first place?


RM75

446 posts

188 months

Saturday 25th September 2010
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Tuscan Wil said:
I have got mine on the post. But i can't take the wheels off. none of the wheel nuts spanner from my other cars fit the wheel nuts for the tuscan. Sorry for being dumb, can anyone tell me if I can get the spanner from halford or something, if so does anyone know what size do I need to buy. Very frustrated indeed that I got the parts but not be able to fix them. looking forward to feel the difference. Thanks!
The wheel nuts are 3/4 inch. I use a normal socket attached to a torque wrench for leverage.

My old 4-in-1 wheel brace was too thick to fit even though it had that size bolt, which is why I use the above method.

Tuscan Wil

417 posts

187 months

Sunday 26th September 2010
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RM75 said:
Tuscan Wil said:
I have got mine on the post. But i can't take the wheels off. none of the wheel nuts spanner from my other cars fit the wheel nuts for the tuscan. Sorry for being dumb, can anyone tell me if I can get the spanner from halford or something, if so does anyone know what size do I need to buy. Very frustrated indeed that I got the parts but not be able to fix them. looking forward to feel the difference. Thanks!
The wheel nuts are 3/4 inch. I use a normal socket attached to a torque wrench for leverage.

My old 4-in-1 wheel brace was too thick to fit even though it had that size bolt, which is why I use the above method.
thanks! Did exactly what you suggested. The result....is exactly what the people are saying on here. high speed is a lot more stable. A lot more enjoyable on the A and B roads. It is amazing how 2 no.of 3mm metal plate does to the car.

GT TVR

1,627 posts

283 months

Monday 27th September 2010
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For some reason they don't work on my car; it made it feel quite nervous, swirled from left to right, like my old Griff used to do. Took them off and now everything is fine again.

Maybe it's because I have a MKII S, or maybe because I'm running more camber and castor but they don't work for me (sorry SP, you were very quick in sending them, thanks).

No worries for me, car is excellent as it is, fully solid at all speeds.

froggie

896 posts

243 months

Monday 27th September 2010
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i prevousley staited to sellers that the GEOMITRY ON LATER RUSSIAN TUSCANS ARE NOT THE SAME AS "TUSCAN"
was told they still woorked, idiot sales people.

The Russian did t go to the trouble of developing and changing a few major steering and suspention/ chassis components for the hell of it..not to mention wind tunnels to improve downforce
the fitting of 18" spiders with wrong offset is bound to change loadings and upset already crap handaling carictoristics..
mainly bump steer a geomitry problem.

IF you want a Tuscan that handels buy a Russian built one there designed and built lots better.

dvs_dave

8,642 posts

226 months

Tuesday 28th September 2010
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How do you know all this, and what actually where the changes?

froggie

896 posts

243 months

Tuesday 28th September 2010
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spent a lot of time and a few bob with tvrS over the last several years,
My cerby several years ago was one of the first modded with, twin lights,rear leds,nitrons,sports pipes (twin race cans of gsxr 1ooo)18" rims with spacers (to help with offset)polly bushes (before spiders)even played with electric steering colm and elecy /oil pump.
one of the best looking cerbras out there.
despite being averry verry early one original reg was "N8 AJP" often wonderd who had V8 AJP.

Ive had a good few TVRs through my hands over the years,
and supplied to a major dealer of said cars and parts. who in turn has specilised in tvr for near 20 years, spair parts and sales and almost all boddy panels from own moulds inc light conversions mk2/3 grills,spats,+ bonnets and more recent experimenting with airboxes in 2 materials (many on this forum probily own cars and have/do buy parts from)
who knows if i get out of my boardome and bone idle ness i might invest some more time and dosh + suprise you all with some mods, (as many great people are doing so now) and fixes you all struggle with.
I could`nt beleive how long the rear window catch took to get re developed.

Thers a world of changes been made by talanted individuals since TVR went under, the biggest and best imput was by a Russian guy who most of us owe so mutch yet he seams to have taken a big knocking from the TVR cult followers,and press, no wonder he has gone shy.
TVR was goosed long before he tried to revive it, why do you think the company was sold in the first place come on guys give the Russian some well earned respect thats long over due.
Thers also a lot of thanks due to the many indy companies that keep our hearts ticking.


Sorry dvs-dave,
I havnt been renemberd to get and send more pics of the mk3 chassis, do you want more or were the ones i posted ok?
may be around it soon , i dont have a normal Tuscan chassis in the same place not easy to send comparison.






Edited by froggie on Tuesday 28th September 02:20

Jonny TVR

4,534 posts

282 months

Tuesday 28th September 2010
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GT TVR said:
For some reason they don't work on my car; it made it feel quite nervous, swirled from left to right, like my old Griff used to do. Took them off and now everything is fine again.

Maybe it's because I have a MKII S, or maybe because I'm running more camber and castor but they don't work for me (sorry SP, you were very quick in sending them, thanks).

No worries for me, car is excellent as it is, fully solid at all speeds.
I'm starting to doubt whether my mk2S is actually better with the spacers. Did I imagine it was better? I will now have to take them off to try the test again!

Full SP

253 posts

241 months

Tuesday 28th September 2010
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Jonny TVR said:
GT TVR said:
For some reason they don't work on my car; it made it feel quite nervous, swirled from left to right, like my old Griff used to do. Took them off and now everything is fine again.

Maybe it's because I have a MKII S, or maybe because I'm running more camber and castor but they don't work for me (sorry SP, you were very quick in sending them, thanks).

No worries for me, car is excellent as it is, fully solid at all speeds.
I'm starting to doubt whether my mk2S is actually better with the spacers. Did I imagine it was better? I will now have to take them off to try the test again!
Strange one this. I always knew that the Mk2 Tuscan benefits less from the spacers but this is the first one to indicate a negative effect. 170 sets now sold and this is the only negative reaction I've encountered and the views of two Mk2S owners clearly seem to differ. Perhaps there is something else, or perhaps it's simply a case of "you can't win 'em all"?!!

Full SP

253 posts

241 months

Tuesday 28th September 2010
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froggie said:
...come on guys give the Russian some well earned respect thats long over due.
As the creator of "Orgasmic Living", he has certainly earned his place in the record book, but that's about it!

nrick

1,866 posts

164 months

Wednesday 29th September 2010
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Do you think he would ever sell it, so we could bring it back to the UK? Being a British sportscar has to be a large part of it's appeal. One for the general discussion area.

Are the spacers on Ebay the same ones, they look it? Just want to make sure I don't get some inferior copy, they look just what I need.

N

900T-R

20,404 posts

258 months

Wednesday 29th September 2010
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nrick said:
Do you think he would ever sell it, so we could bring it back to the UK? Being a British sportscar has to be a large part of it's appeal. One for the general discussion area.

Are the spacers on Ebay the same ones, they look it? Just want to make sure I don't get some inferior copy, they look just what I need.

N
Then don't be a tight wad and spend your measly £20 with the bloke who figured it all out for you/us. Just a thought... smile

nrick

1,866 posts

164 months

Wednesday 29th September 2010
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Well that is exactly what I am trying to do, just need to know where to get them from. The ad looks like it is from SP but want to make sure before I give my money to someone cashing in.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TVR-Tuscan-SP-Wheel-Spacers-...

Just easier to pay bu paypal and get them if they are the right ones! Could order them now you see.

900T-R

20,404 posts

258 months

Wednesday 29th September 2010
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Ahhhh... I agree the ad looks genuine, didn't know SP have an account on Ebay but it surely must be them. smile

nrick

1,866 posts

164 months

Wednesday 29th September 2010
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If it is then I'll order, hopefully they'll see this and confirm. Thanks

GT TVR

1,627 posts

283 months

Wednesday 29th September 2010
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Full SP said:
Jonny TVR said:
GT TVR said:
For some reason they don't work on my car; it made it feel quite nervous, swirled from left to right, like my old Griff used to do. Took them off and now everything is fine again.

Maybe it's because I have a MKII S, or maybe because I'm running more camber and castor but they don't work for me (sorry SP, you were very quick in sending them, thanks).

No worries for me, car is excellent as it is, fully solid at all speeds.
I'm starting to doubt whether my mk2S is actually better with the spacers. Did I imagine it was better? I will now have to take them off to try the test again!
Strange one this. I always knew that the Mk2 Tuscan benefits less from the spacers but this is the first one to indicate a negative effect. 170 sets now sold and this is the only negative reaction I've encountered and the views of two Mk2S owners clearly seem to differ. Perhaps there is something else, or perhaps it's simply a case of "you can't win 'em all"?!!
Hi Matt,

Yes, it is strange but as I indicated it could well be that it is because my car is running a different set up from standard. Some MKII's are nervous on the standard set up, my car wasn't/isn't so that suggests that the problem was cured already.
Thanks for sending them so quickly though and I'm sure my spacers will find its way to someone who does need them.