RE: 80mph limit will cost £1bn say campaigners
Discussion
odyssey2200 said:
Utter alarmist feckwittery.
Do it now.
If these people had their way we would all be living in caves and be hoping that one day someone might invent a round thing.
If Darwin was allowed to have his way we would be allowed to kill these people to cleanse the gene pool.
The reference to "carbon" shows that they have no concept of how an engine works in reality.
The carbon comment is justified and is directly correlated to the extra fuel cost.Do it now.
If these people had their way we would all be living in caves and be hoping that one day someone might invent a round thing.
If Darwin was allowed to have his way we would be allowed to kill these people to cleanse the gene pool.
The reference to "carbon" shows that they have no concept of how an engine works in reality.
766 in extra fuel cost.
anyone able to find me a national average of co2 per mile? i'd love to run some back of a fag packet maths here to see what the carbon cost will end up being.
More utter bilge and hysterical totally invented nonsense from the anti car nutters at BRAKE, an organisation that ought to have its charitable status revoked.
The lunatic car haters are a small minority in the UK, yet they shout loudly and get both media coverage and governmental consideration way beyond their numbers or genuine credibility. It really is time for us long suffering, indeed oppressed and grossly over taxed, drivers to shout just as loudly; ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and kick these fools back into touch!
The lunatic car haters are a small minority in the UK, yet they shout loudly and get both media coverage and governmental consideration way beyond their numbers or genuine credibility. It really is time for us long suffering, indeed oppressed and grossly over taxed, drivers to shout just as loudly; ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and kick these fools back into touch!
odyssey2200 said:
And, IIRC, that 118 includes at least one person who jumped from a bridge and was killed "on the motorway".
I would imagine it includes all types of deaths like the one you mentioned above.So suicides,drunks walking on the motorway etc.
It would be very interesting to get a complete breakdown of the 118 deaths.
isee said:
odyssey2200 said:
Utter alarmist feckwittery.
Do it now.
If these people had their way we would all be living in caves and be hoping that one day someone might invent a round thing.
If Darwin was allowed to have his way we would be allowed to kill these people to cleanse the gene pool.
The reference to "carbon" shows that they have no concept of how an engine works in reality.
The carbon comment is justified and is directly correlated to the extra fuel cost.Do it now.
If these people had their way we would all be living in caves and be hoping that one day someone might invent a round thing.
If Darwin was allowed to have his way we would be allowed to kill these people to cleanse the gene pool.
The reference to "carbon" shows that they have no concept of how an engine works in reality.
766 in extra fuel cost.
anyone able to find me a national average of co2 per mile? i'd love to run some back of a fag packet maths here to see what the carbon cost will end up being.
It only means anything if you buy into the bigger pile of utter BS that is Man Made Up Global Warming.
If a car produces more of less plant food has no correlation to a cost in any legitimate way.
You may as well calculate the number of cup holders/hour passing along the roads.
Total irrelevance.
will01 said:
i think it is a great idea going up to 80mph, but really it probably is going to change nothing.
i think 98% of people drive and cruise at ~80mph i know in my particular vehicle it is more economical to cruise at these speeds than 70mph.
i dont know why people have such a big problem on raising speed limit its not the speed that kills it is the below average skill of drivers he use these roads.
i do think that the government should set up extra tests or motorway specific lessons to help discipline and educate drivers for motorway driving
roll on the 80mph limit changes
I couldnt agree more..i think 98% of people drive and cruise at ~80mph i know in my particular vehicle it is more economical to cruise at these speeds than 70mph.
i dont know why people have such a big problem on raising speed limit its not the speed that kills it is the below average skill of drivers he use these roads.
i do think that the government should set up extra tests or motorway specific lessons to help discipline and educate drivers for motorway driving
roll on the 80mph limit changes
The amount of idiots who sit in the middle lane driving at stupidly low speeds when the other lans are free is increasing.. they are the ones that cause the crashes and the traffic jams!
unmarked traffic police should be pulling more drivers over for dangerous motorway driving rather than trying to nick people for driving at 82mph!!
odyssey2200 said:
The Carbon cost is utter BS.
It only means anything if you buy into the bigger pile of utter BS that is Man Made Up Global Warming.
If a car produces more of less plant food has no correlation to a cost in any legitimate way.
You may as well calculate the number of cup holders/hour passing along the roads.
Total irrelevance.
Nevertheless I wanted to know the actual cost they are crying about seeing as no number was givenIt only means anything if you buy into the bigger pile of utter BS that is Man Made Up Global Warming.
If a car produces more of less plant food has no correlation to a cost in any legitimate way.
You may as well calculate the number of cup holders/hour passing along the roads.
Total irrelevance.
So provided that:
766mil - the cost in extra fuel
£1.43 average fuel price (diesel and petrol about 50/50 split inthis coutry with slight bias towards diesel)
38 mpg average UK car (US gallons) - taken from some official website through google
204.6 co2 per 1km - uk average according to liftshare.com
that give the national average of 16.15 km per litre, or 1765024599 kg of co2 total in extra output
at today's carbon price for dec12 expiry that will translate into 11596211.62
euro in extra cost
that's or
£9,366,891 in extra carbon cost per year.
What would the government get in fuel taxes from that 766million per year anyway/ anyone knows the answer?
Edited by isee on Monday 21st May 14:55
If you look on their website, their first blog entry is talking about a woman who lost her daughter to a speeding motorist. While I will 100% agree that's a terrible thing to happen (and after witnessing a similar accident myself it is horrifying), what they don't clarify is that this happened on the A47.
The A47 is not a motorway, so even if these proposed speed limit increases go ahead, the limit will still be 70, and 80mph will still be speeding.
If you're going to use sob stories to gain support, at least use a relevant one.
In fact, I wonder how many deaths on the motorway are attributed to speed up to 80mph. I'd wager most were above that figure.
The A47 is not a motorway, so even if these proposed speed limit increases go ahead, the limit will still be 70, and 80mph will still be speeding.
If you're going to use sob stories to gain support, at least use a relevant one.
In fact, I wonder how many deaths on the motorway are attributed to speed up to 80mph. I'd wager most were above that figure.
www.noto80.org said:
Visit www.noto80.org to:
1. add your name to a petition started by bereaved mum Liz Voysey whose daughter Amy was killed by an 80mph driver
1. add your name to a petition started by bereaved mum Liz Voysey whose daughter Amy was killed by an 80mph driver
I'm sure they class an '80mph' driver in the same vein as drink/drug drivers.Ridiculous.
The world would be a far better place if people focussed on tailgating, poor driving practises, ignorance of the higway code etc rather than speed. what causes crashes? Idiots 9 times out of 10.
Having done nearly a thousand miles last week on Mways I was shocked at the standard of what was actually a small minority of drivers but actually happy with the way most reasonable people behave on the road.
Oh and if anyone believes that 70 is the actual limit on Mways then they are sorely mistaken, set your cruise to 70 and watch a good 50% of the rest of the traffic scream past you at at least 80 leptons many times with patrol cars on the road who do not give a monkeys. As long as you are not driving like a tw*t they really don't seem that bothered.
Having done nearly a thousand miles last week on Mways I was shocked at the standard of what was actually a small minority of drivers but actually happy with the way most reasonable people behave on the road.
Oh and if anyone believes that 70 is the actual limit on Mways then they are sorely mistaken, set your cruise to 70 and watch a good 50% of the rest of the traffic scream past you at at least 80 leptons many times with patrol cars on the road who do not give a monkeys. As long as you are not driving like a tw*t they really don't seem that bothered.
crazyg said:
I couldnt agree more..
The amount of idiots who sit in the middle lane driving at stupidly low speeds when the other lans are free is increasing.. they are the ones that cause the crashes and the traffic jams!
unmarked traffic police should be pulling more drivers over for dangerous motorway driving rather than trying to nick people for driving at 82mph!!
They wouldn't pass their test if they failed to keep up with the speed limit, just as we wouldn't pass our tests if we were speeding, so how come we get fined for speeding and they don't get fined for being idiotic morons?The amount of idiots who sit in the middle lane driving at stupidly low speeds when the other lans are free is increasing.. they are the ones that cause the crashes and the traffic jams!
unmarked traffic police should be pulling more drivers over for dangerous motorway driving rather than trying to nick people for driving at 82mph!!
AyBee said:
Quite! Applying some more logic: more spent on fuel = more taxes received by gubbermint. If 60% (being conservative) of fuel cost is tax, that's £460m which easily outstrips the £242.8m of other costs, therefore, I propose the headline "80mph limit will make £217.2m says AyBee"!
Edited by AyBee on Monday 21st May 13:56
MagicalTrevor said:
Ok, so ~60% of the fuel price is duty and tax, that's £459.96 million. If the cost to the emergency services is £62.4 million and this 'cost' for carbon is £180 million then the government is ultimately £217.56 million up on the deal. Presumably there is a economical benefit to people spending more on fuel as well?
As somebody else said, people who can't afford the additional fuel can still travel at 60 or 70mph
As somebody else said, people who can't afford the additional fuel can still travel at 60 or 70mph
odyssey2200 said:
isee said:
£9,366,891.451 in extra carbon cost per year.
Where is the Cost of the carbon?Who invoices the Gov't?
Who pays the Carbon Bill?
It's total nonsence.
I just thought that when they cried CARBON without providing a scary number it was because it was either not really scary or because they had no clue how to calculate it, but thought hey, "the cost will obviously go up right?!" so let's just chuck it inthere for a good measure.
Also all those roadside assitance firms, automotive lubricant manufacturers and repair shops (and car breakers due to all those accidents) will surely benefit from this, thus helping the economy
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