RE: 80mph limit will cost £1bn say campaigners
Discussion
I have a genuine dislike for this charity, not because of what they stand for, but because of the way they conduct themselves. Rather than relying on statistics and scientific research, they insist on knee-jerk reactions and using victims to push their own interests.
Despicable, in my opinion.
Despicable, in my opinion.
tejr said:
but a proper de-limit at 'quiet' times should be brought in
Your probably more on the money than you realise.I live by Poole Harbour and during summer months there is a mandatory speed limit for boats through the harbour, mainly due to increased traffic, however, i can come through at 7 - 8 at night in summer whilst light and hardly a thing on the water..
So speed limits/restrictions on a time basis. If i was going to have drive a distance in the UK and i knew at "x" times i could drive at "x" i would, spread the flow of traffic, very sensible!
k OFF!dr.pepper said:
If i didn't work 7 days a week, i would have setup some kind of "Anti-Brake" website.
Any unemployed PHer's up for the task?
I purchased the domain throttle.org.uk with the idea to set up a site to give an opposing view to that from Brake but, like you, I work too many hours to be able to do anything with it. If anyone has the time and capability I would be very happy to see it used.Any unemployed PHer's up for the task?
thanks - nearly spat my drink on my keyboard, but still - good one! andyps said:
I purchased the domain throttle.org.uk with the idea to set up a site to give an opposing view to that from Brake but, like you, I work too many hours to be able to do anything with it. If anyone has the time and capability I would be very happy to see it used.
Someone take this offer up.Pagey430 said:
my fear is 80 would be strictly enforced by average speed cameras everywhere.....rather leave it as it is...
+1just leave it as it is and normal competent drivers can carry on as normal. Brake will think they've
won and pipe down.
Would it be a good idea to try and get their charity status reviewed?,as they are clearly a pressure group with dubious statistics. They are a prime example of Hatefull,self obsessed,jealous morons who thrive and abuse the grief of the dead. They need an invitation to the real world.
odyssey2200 said:
A. What signs? I can't recall the last time I saw a painted sign that said 70 on it and as most new signs are Matrix signs, I would argue that there is almost Zero extra cost.
B. Exactly. people already drive at more than 70 anyway so it will make absolutely no difference at all.
5 star double bonus +1 yes commentB. Exactly. people already drive at more than 70 anyway so it will make absolutely no difference at all.
andyps said:
I purchased the domain throttle.org.uk with the idea to set up a site to give an opposing view to that from Brake but, like you, I work too many hours to be able to do anything with it. If anyone has the time and capability I would be very happy to see it used.
That would have to be handled very carefully, pointing out their ignorance and incompetence, while avoiding ad hominem attacks. Cost of lives? Is that a joke?
If people knew how to DRIVE you wouldn't have thatp problem. On the continent the limits are at least 75mph, with some countries having 80, 90 or in case of Germany no limit.
The problem on UK roads with all the accidents lies in the fact that most people can't drive, don't know the highway code or just behaves plain rude when behing the wheel.
Invest in driver education, get stricted tests, don't just look at the speed. If someone runs the red light at 40 MPH he still run the red light! But no one seems to care. All they care is the speed.
If people knew how to DRIVE you wouldn't have thatp problem. On the continent the limits are at least 75mph, with some countries having 80, 90 or in case of Germany no limit.
The problem on UK roads with all the accidents lies in the fact that most people can't drive, don't know the highway code or just behaves plain rude when behing the wheel.
Invest in driver education, get stricted tests, don't just look at the speed. If someone runs the red light at 40 MPH he still run the red light! But no one seems to care. All they care is the speed.
mrmr96 said:
Seems most of the extra cost is "£766.6m in fuel costs." but that's down to the drivers, as there's nothing stopping people carrying on at 70mph if they want to save fuel. The drivers who will do 80mph are, dare I say, probably already driving at 80mph with the existing limit in place.
+1I'd disagree with the notion from the AA that "areas with variable speed signage" are suitable for 80 mph. In my experience the M1/M6 (Birmingham) are the busiest and worst places!
The M6 north of Lancaster? Perfect for 80 (or indeed unlimited) it's always empty when I'm heading North or South on that section.
The M6 north of Lancaster? Perfect for 80 (or indeed unlimited) it's always empty when I'm heading North or South on that section.
Tossing my 2p into the ring, although I admire the Government for even properly talking about raising the speed limit to what seems to 'unofficially' tolerated, I cannot see how it will work in practise.
Many three lane motorways in England are mired by mobile restrictions that force the majority of faster traffic into lane three, causing a bottle neck and therefore, a reduction in speed. What are these mobile restrictions? HGVs trying to overtake each other at the same speed for mile after mile, that's what. Sort that out and flow would improve dramatically.
And where there are larger incidents that involve multiple deaths, HGVs tend to be involved; BRAKE should be aware that these vehicles are restricted by legislation to maximum speeds well below the current National Speed Limit. I work for a road haulage company and know full well what the implications of restricting HGV traffic on motorways would be (like France and Italy have) in order to improve flow for smaller, faster traffic.
I say leave things as they are and see how Managed Motorways pan out once they are fully operational across the network.
Many three lane motorways in England are mired by mobile restrictions that force the majority of faster traffic into lane three, causing a bottle neck and therefore, a reduction in speed. What are these mobile restrictions? HGVs trying to overtake each other at the same speed for mile after mile, that's what. Sort that out and flow would improve dramatically.
And where there are larger incidents that involve multiple deaths, HGVs tend to be involved; BRAKE should be aware that these vehicles are restricted by legislation to maximum speeds well below the current National Speed Limit. I work for a road haulage company and know full well what the implications of restricting HGV traffic on motorways would be (like France and Italy have) in order to improve flow for smaller, faster traffic.
I say leave things as they are and see how Managed Motorways pan out once they are fully operational across the network.
I have a plan that will save the country from itself - reduce the speed limit to zero (thus banning any motor vehicle) and I reckon we'll save TENS of billions (according to Brake's formula).
The fact that 50% of us will have to walk to work and the other 50% will starve to death is irrelevant....
Besides, where do the majority of RTAs happen? - not on motorways and I don't see any plans to increase ALL speed limits by 10mph. I imagine if they increased the urban speed limit to 40 then we really would see a huge rise in casualties, but that was never on the cards.
As has been suggested earlier, it would be intresting to see the motorway KSI stats for the likes of Germany, Denmark, some of the states in America
The fact that 50% of us will have to walk to work and the other 50% will starve to death is irrelevant....
Besides, where do the majority of RTAs happen? - not on motorways and I don't see any plans to increase ALL speed limits by 10mph. I imagine if they increased the urban speed limit to 40 then we really would see a huge rise in casualties, but that was never on the cards.
As has been suggested earlier, it would be intresting to see the motorway KSI stats for the likes of Germany, Denmark, some of the states in America
My longstanding view on this subject is this; leave it alone. JUST LEAVE IT ALONE!
The 70 limit under any normal motorway conditions is not policed and it is an unspoken consensus that 80 is fine - modern cars simply make it too easy.
Publicly discussing an increase is a red rag to every bull with an anti-speed agenda, be it hypocritical environmentalists, opposition politicians looking for votes, or the BRAKE brigade whose members are automatically elevated to the saftest category of driver on the road...in their minds.
Plus, I can only see a carrot and stick emerging, given the go-ahead.
Carrot - you can drive at 80 where permitted.
Stick - we have harsher punishments waiting if you exceed the limit we kindly gave you.
So let's keep the 70 limit for the driving theory test and rainy days, and cut off the fuel to the fires of those mentioned above.
Just leave it alone.
The 70 limit under any normal motorway conditions is not policed and it is an unspoken consensus that 80 is fine - modern cars simply make it too easy.
Publicly discussing an increase is a red rag to every bull with an anti-speed agenda, be it hypocritical environmentalists, opposition politicians looking for votes, or the BRAKE brigade whose members are automatically elevated to the saftest category of driver on the road...in their minds.
Plus, I can only see a carrot and stick emerging, given the go-ahead.
Carrot - you can drive at 80 where permitted.
Stick - we have harsher punishments waiting if you exceed the limit we kindly gave you.
So let's keep the 70 limit for the driving theory test and rainy days, and cut off the fuel to the fires of those mentioned above.
Just leave it alone.
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