RE: Grandad's Toyota Goes Steroidal
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How the hell do they compare this to an Golf R32. FWD v 4WD with similar bhp = No competition...the R32 wins!! Not only is the VW a much nicer looking car but the build quality will be streets ahead of the Toyota as well as the driving experience. 
You can dump a 400bhp V8 in this little Toyota and it will still drive like a steaming turd. It will never be a drivers car. Can you imagine puting your foot down at the lights in one of these and ending up head on with another car because the torque steer got totally out of control!! Bugger that
You can dump a 400bhp V8 in this little Toyota and it will still drive like a steaming turd. It will never be a drivers car. Can you imagine puting your foot down at the lights in one of these and ending up head on with another car because the torque steer got totally out of control!! Bugger that
ScoobieWRX said:
Not only is the VW a much nicer looking car but the build quality will be streets ahead of the Toyota as well as the driving experience.
I'd be surprised if an R32 were better built than the Toyota, not much in it but not better.As for the looks, you're spot on. VW any day. Would you really want to open the garage to an Auris
? Not that I have a garage...R32 takes it in the looks dept, granted, but its a much more personal thing isnt it?
Its the Q-car idea that grabs me. Just dont think it will see the light of day over here, sadly. How many Golfs do you see? i must see 5 or 6 a week, its not that special anymore when they start being that common. Imagine seeing one of these things a year let alone any more often?
As for the R32, much prefer the mk1 over the mk2, but as i said, thats my personal choice.
Would love to see Toyota doing this sort of thing, kinda gone all fuddy-duddy since the dropped the 'sports' cars of the range.
We'll see.....................
Its the Q-car idea that grabs me. Just dont think it will see the light of day over here, sadly. How many Golfs do you see? i must see 5 or 6 a week, its not that special anymore when they start being that common. Imagine seeing one of these things a year let alone any more often?
As for the R32, much prefer the mk1 over the mk2, but as i said, thats my personal choice.
Would love to see Toyota doing this sort of thing, kinda gone all fuddy-duddy since the dropped the 'sports' cars of the range.
We'll see.....................
Kubica said:
Podie said:
Some of the Autodelta Alfas... and a surpringly large number of Focus STs...
But not from the factory...This Auris is an ugly looking f
ker isn't it?ScoobieWRX said:
How the hell do they compare this to an Golf R32. FWD v 4WD with similar bhp = No competition...the R32 wins!! Not only is the VW a much nicer looking car but the build quality will be streets ahead of the Toyota as well as the driving experience.
You can dump a 400bhp V8 in this little Toyota and it will still drive like a steaming turd. It will never be a drivers car. Can you imagine puting your foot down at the lights in one of these and ending up head on with another car because the torque steer got totally out of control!! Bugger that
Ho ho ho of course. Because engineers from the worlds biggest car company these days would release a car that could do nothing but crash sideways into various scenery/oncoming traffic. Toyota's little development budget joke, that's how we'll make our flagship drive, dangerously and horribly because thats how the most successful car company in the world does business...You can dump a 400bhp V8 in this little Toyota and it will still drive like a steaming turd. It will never be a drivers car. Can you imagine puting your foot down at the lights in one of these and ending up head on with another car because the torque steer got totally out of control!! Bugger that
what a rubbish assumption. cars like this are likely fine to drive, its just the tosser behind the wheel who doesn't know how to accelerate smoothly because he rates himself as 'good at going forward'. Have a laugh. The 3.5 V6 is a reportedly smooth unit, it sits between the front wheels of the Toyota Aurion large car and is apparently quite neutral without ever exhibiting any torque steer. To suggest that Toyota wouldn't develop their cars properly is nonesense. I think the biggest danger, being a toyota, is that it'll be boring, not uncontrollable. The comment above smacks of a 4WDer not being able to come to terms with the fact that a car needn't have a heavier, generally thirstier drivetrain layout in order to handle. It's called an LSD...
Edited by FestivAli on Saturday 4th August 08:30
FestivAli said:
ScoobieWRX said:
How the hell do they compare this to an Golf R32. FWD v 4WD with similar bhp = No competition...the R32 wins!! Not only is the VW a much nicer looking car but the build quality will be streets ahead of the Toyota as well as the driving experience.
You can dump a 400bhp V8 in this little Toyota and it will still drive like a steaming turd. It will never be a drivers car. Can you imagine puting your foot down at the lights in one of these and ending up head on with another car because the torque steer got totally out of control!! Bugger that
Ho ho ho of course. Because engineers from the worlds biggest car company these days would release a car that could do nothing but crash sideways into various scenery/oncoming traffic. Toyota's little development budget joke, that's how we'll make our flagship drive, dangerously and horribly because thats how the most successful car company in the world does business...You can dump a 400bhp V8 in this little Toyota and it will still drive like a steaming turd. It will never be a drivers car. Can you imagine puting your foot down at the lights in one of these and ending up head on with another car because the torque steer got totally out of control!! Bugger that
what a rubbish assumption. cars like this are likely fine to drive, its just the tosser behind the wheel who doesn't know how to accelerate smoothly because he rates himself as 'good at going forward'. Have a laugh. The 3.5 V6 is a reportedly smooth unit, it sits between the front wheels of the Toyota Aurion large car and is apparently quite neutral without ever exhibiting any torque steer. To suggest that Toyota wouldn't develop their cars properly is nonesense. I think the biggest danger, being a toyota, is that it'll be boring, not uncontrollable. The comment above smacks of a 4WDer not being able to come to terms with the fact that a car needn't have a heavier, generally thirstier drivetrain layout in order to handle. It's called an LSD...
Edited by FestivAli on Saturday 4th August 08:30
I the MK1 Ford Focus RS was meant to have an LSD and great handling etc...That thing torque steered like a pig. I will say the same about the Alfa 147 with the supposedly smooth V6, same deal there and it was deemed a widow maker because it would turn round a bite you very hard if you didn't show it some respect!! Ford and Alfa are well respected big car manufacturers but they get it really wrong from time to time.
I think you overestimate how good these car companies really are and lose sight of the fact that all they are doing is keeping up with the Jonses and a bit of one upmanship for that extra little portion of the market. It's us that pay for these cars with our hard earned, and in earnest it isn't until you start to live with and push your pride and joy that you find out what a lemon you've purchased.
Don't let the BIGNAME of Toyota and their big R&D budgets fool you, or the fact that they are now the biggest car maker in the world, because they are not exempt from making lemons, and that's exactly what they've done here!!!
Edited by ScoobieWRX on Saturday 4th August 10:49
Podie said:
Kubica said:
Podie said:
dougc said:
Fetchez la vache said:
276bhp & Front wheel drive?
What FWD cars have more bhp than that?
Look in the nearest hedge to find one....What FWD cars have more bhp than that?
I claim my 5 quid.
276 is probably a made up number anyway...
ScoobieWRX said:
I think you underestimate just how badly a lot of big BHP FWD cars really handle, in the the real world. As much as you think it might be great fun to have a big bad V6 in a small FWD car the truth of it is that nobody has manufactured a Zero Torque Steering FWD car as yet, and the more power you chuck through the wheels the worse it gets. In my mind without lots of electronic assistance it will be lethal in the wrong hands. I can't see any real drivers going out to buy one so it will be driven by numpties with the wrong hands and that's asking for trouble.
I was under the impression that torque steer is mainly caused by having drive shafts of un-equal lengths.Haven't driven an RS, but there seem to be conflicting reports now as to it's behavior (or lack thereof!)
As the saying goes dont knock it, until you have tried it! The standard Auris's are a really nice car to drive. And having been out on a test drive only yesterday in a R32, all I can say is that I dont know what all the hype was about. We wasnt impressed with it, but it is down to personal choice at the end of the day. Wait till the end of 2008/start of 2009 for Toyotas new sports baby.
£13,650 in Japan
£13,650 FOB
£ 700 Shipping Cost
£ 1,435 Import Duty 10% of above two (FOB Purchase Price plus Shipping Cost)
£ 2,762 VAT 17.5% of above three (FOB Purchase Price plus Shipping Cost plus Import Duty)
£ 200 Shipping Agent Fee
£ 50 Customs
£ 38 Car Registration Fee
£ 300 SVA Preparation
£ 180 SVA Test
= £19,315 in the UK.
QED
noumenon said:
£13,650 in Japan
£13,650 FOB
£ 700 Shipping Cost [b]
£ 1,435 Import Duty 10% of above two HMR&C
£ 2,762 VAT 17.5% of above three HMR&C[/b]
£ 200 Shipping Agent Fee [b]
£ 50 Customs HMR&C [/b]
£ 38 Car Registration Fee
£ 300 SVA Preparation
£ 180 SVA Test
= £19,315 in the UK.
QED
Or around 30% on top of the basic price goes straight to HMR&C coffers...£13,650 FOB
£ 700 Shipping Cost [b]
£ 1,435 Import Duty 10% of above two HMR&C
£ 2,762 VAT 17.5% of above three HMR&C[/b]
£ 200 Shipping Agent Fee [b]
£ 50 Customs HMR&C [/b]
£ 38 Car Registration Fee
£ 300 SVA Preparation
£ 180 SVA Test
= £19,315 in the UK.
QED
Edit: why isn't the formatting working?!?
Edited by havoc on Monday 6th August 12:57
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