RE: Expect Higher Repair And Servicing Bills
Discussion
what the hell is going on whats with the goverment and eu are they F***ing stupid that we are gonna take our cars to the dealership and get ripped off i mean average earner from my generation (18-24) earns 5-6 pounds an hour sm dont even make it over the £200 mark a week so what would posses a person to take it to a dealership and see their whole weeks wages go in about 2 hours thats bulls*** as for me i would never do that my car left the dealership in 1995 and thats it and i work on it myself do everything myself because dealerships are rip offs and working on it myself is practical and fun so at sm point in the future i believe that there will be a high number of people who would go out and buy heines manual
As someone has pointed out here before please look at the right to repair campaign to get the facts. The car manufacturers are pumping millions into lobbying the EU to end the law that compels them to make codes available to independant garages. Without these codes fully skilled mechanics will have to take a repaired car to have the codes reset in the cars at the franchised dealer.
Please watch the video on the website and make your voice heard before it is too late.
Please watch the video on the website and make your voice heard before it is too late.
the only way to beat thus is to vote with your feet, keep driving your old car the one that does not need the main dealer. if you dont buy new cars you wont be feeding that monster. there plenty of great second hand cars every bit as good as the new ones. ie vw golf 1.4 1997 timing belt fitted €100 vw golf 1.4 1998 t belt €450. engines didnt change muchin power output but did in servicing costs stick to the older cars.
Restriction of trade?
Freedom of Information?
Comeptition laws?
Restriction of trade?
etc...
Hmmmm....
Seems like there are a lot of major issues in this!
I think that there are a massive number of lawyers about to get £££££ in cases here if they try to do this.
Cherie Blair is supposed to be a barrister with a big interest in human rights type issues - perhaps she will be involved/
Hmmm hope so as Tony has buggered us up so perhaps she can help us?
I won't hold my breath though!!
Freedom of Information?
Comeptition laws?
Restriction of trade?
etc...
Hmmmm....
Seems like there are a lot of major issues in this!
I think that there are a massive number of lawyers about to get £££££ in cases here if they try to do this.
Cherie Blair is supposed to be a barrister with a big interest in human rights type issues - perhaps she will be involved/
Hmmm hope so as Tony has buggered us up so perhaps she can help us?
I won't hold my breath though!!
900T-R said:
So, in short, it's likely the car business won't be exempted from being subject to laws forbidding any anti-competitive behaviour like all other industries are subject to anymore - and of course that means the manufacturers won't have to provide parties outside the network with their technical information anymore either as it's assumed natural competition will do it's work.
I suspect that if car manufacturers started playing really hard ball with refusal to supply technical information and parts to independent dealers you would pretty soon start to see the arrival of "professional haynes manual" type organisations which would specialise in providing the same sort of information to independent garages. They would get this information from a combination of simply employing people from the dealer networks that have been trained and pulling the cars apart themselves.As far as parts go most parts are actually from suppliers anyway or are sufficiently generic that pattern parts can be made.
Of course we're not too far away from a car that only need a few consumables replacing during its lifetime anyway.
Talksteer said:
I suspect that if car manufacturers started playing really hard ball with refusal to supply technical information and parts to independent dealers you would pretty soon start to see the arrival of "professional haynes manual" type organisations which would specialise in providing the same sort of information to independent garages. They would get this information from a combination of simply employing people from the dealer networks that have been trained and pulling the cars apart themselves.
Already happening 
even though the car manufacturers do provide tech info on their own online systems - subscribing to one technical information system for the IAM is cheaper than having to get the data from 30-odd manufacturers, and they can integrate with your existing workflow automation - you take a car in for a service, check the car for additional work to be done, computer spits out estimate for customer and work chart with all the items for the mechanic to tick off and the relevant serivce/repair procedures; if mechanic encounters a problem he can look online whether this is a known problem that others have worked through before; if everything else fails he can call a tech hotline of the information supplier. Car is ready for collection; computer spits out bill and adds data to the customers' record. So stay for longer with old cars, don't buy the new shiny models. Better for the environment after all.
Vote with your feet any manufacturer that is prepared to supply details and parts gets more business. Those that don't will either be supported by rich/stupid/thoughtless people or will go under.
Vote with your feet any manufacturer that is prepared to supply details and parts gets more business. Those that don't will either be supported by rich/stupid/thoughtless people or will go under.
hothaul said:
LETS GET THE HELL OUT OF THIS EU CRAP,THE GOVERMENT ARE A BUNCH OF TOSSERS LISTENING TO THE EU,LETS JUST BE ENGLAND AGAIN,NOT GREAT BRITAIN EITHER.
Please stop shouting and calm down, it's GOVERNMENT, and if you scroll up and read the posts above you'll notice that the original article is an inaccurate pile of **** 
JJ
thunderbelmont said:
Wasn't it the EU that ruled some years ago that car manufacturers MUST supply parts & information to the independants?
Yes, this has been covered already. The point is, the EU could rule that they must supply technical information to every interested party at 'reasonable cost' as a condition for block exemption from the normal free market/anti-trust laws etc for the automotive industry. Now that the EU tends to considering the block exemption ruling 'protecting' the industry as unneccessary, it stands to reason that the conditions on which that ruling was made, will cease to exist too. Edited by 900T-R on Thursday 11th September 10:58
It's all a load of b
ks anyway. As it sits now, manufactureres regardless of current EU rules DON'T supply ALL information anyway. Even if they do/did, one trick is to place it within very expensive (and manufacturer dedicated) diagnostic equipment, which makes access to such info somewhat prohibitive. Whatever happens, there'll be away around it. In other words, manufacturers will most likely sell the info/equipment to some. But what do I know.
ks anyway. As it sits now, manufactureres regardless of current EU rules DON'T supply ALL information anyway. Even if they do/did, one trick is to place it within very expensive (and manufacturer dedicated) diagnostic equipment, which makes access to such info somewhat prohibitive. Whatever happens, there'll be away around it. In other words, manufacturers will most likely sell the info/equipment to some. But what do I know.Surely the result of this can't be just as simple as having to take newer cars to main dealer for servicing and repairs? The article wasn't particularly clear on what this would effect, I think someone could do with clarifying this. I'm quite happy to say fk the EU, but only when I know what this actually means for everyone. Also does this law mean that third party party produced parts will no longer be made for new cars? Sorry if my stupidity is blinding me from seeing the facts here.
In any case I'd never want my car to go to a main dealer. I'm sure some are all right but I've heard plenty of horror stories. Friend of mine did work experience for a local VW dealer, and most of the people he worked with were little oiks not much older than him. They'd always be taking customers cars out to thrash the absolute buggery out of them, and when work was completed it was done fairly incompetently and to a very high price. I seem to remember him saying an oil change they did which took no time at all was charged at well over £100.
k the EU, but only when I know what this actually means for everyone. Also does this law mean that third party party produced parts will no longer be made for new cars? Sorry if my stupidity is blinding me from seeing the facts here.In any case I'd never want my car to go to a main dealer. I'm sure some are all right but I've heard plenty of horror stories. Friend of mine did work experience for a local VW dealer, and most of the people he worked with were little oiks not much older than him. They'd always be taking customers cars out to thrash the absolute buggery out of them, and when work was completed it was done fairly incompetently and to a very high price. I seem to remember him saying an oil change they did which took no time at all was charged at well over £100.
lodgy said:
this is a joke!!
my dads has his own garage and has done all his life. he works hard and is good at what he does including bodywork. this is a real kick in the teeth for people like him!
People will loose their jobs if they get the EU get their way on this.my dads has his own garage and has done all his life. he works hard and is good at what he does including bodywork. this is a real kick in the teeth for people like him!
And many car owners are struggling already with the costs, this cannot be allowed to happen.
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