RE: Motorists To Take Blame For Cycle Crashes
Discussion
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Surely this is a motoring forum ?.
Why are so many little pro cyclists posting pro cyclist postings. When do you plan to start paying towards road use?
Curious minds would like to know
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Are you for real? It's a motoring forum where most people actually have half a braincell, unlike a local 'krooz' forum and are therefore able to talk about things rationally and logically.
For the 8 millionth time, road tax is VED - which is based on emissions. If we stuck VED on a bike, it'd be free because it doesn't produce f*cking emissions. Besides, plenty of people cycle for exercise and recreation who also own cars! I insure and tax two cars all year round, both pre-2001 but both in the higher tax bracket - so I'm paying two lots of VED, as well as being a cyclist. Therefore (in your confused world) I pay more than my fair share of 'road tax'.
I keep saying it - not every cyclist is some kind of anti-car eco maniac!!
Surely this is a motoring forum ?.
Why are so many little pro cyclists posting pro cyclist postings. When do you plan to start paying towards road use?
Curious minds would like to know
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Are you for real? It's a motoring forum where most people actually have half a braincell, unlike a local 'krooz' forum and are therefore able to talk about things rationally and logically.
For the 8 millionth time, road tax is VED - which is based on emissions. If we stuck VED on a bike, it'd be free because it doesn't produce f*cking emissions. Besides, plenty of people cycle for exercise and recreation who also own cars! I insure and tax two cars all year round, both pre-2001 but both in the higher tax bracket - so I'm paying two lots of VED, as well as being a cyclist. Therefore (in your confused world) I pay more than my fair share of 'road tax'.
I keep saying it - not every cyclist is some kind of anti-car eco maniac!!
Scot 62 said:
Surely this is a motoring forum ?.
Why are so many little pro cyclists posting pro cyclist postings. When do you plan to start paying towards road use?
Curious minds would like to know
I started paying VED, income tax and NI in 1975 and council tax in 1983. All of this goes to a big pot which helps pays for the roads etc. So that is 35 years, how about you?Why are so many little pro cyclists posting pro cyclist postings. When do you plan to start paying towards road use?
Curious minds would like to know
Scot 62 said:
Surely this is a motoring forum ?.
Why are so many little pro cyclists posting pro cyclist postings. When do you plan to start paying towards road use?
Curious minds would like to know
A padestrian farting whilst crossing the road would omit more harmful gases than a non farting cyclist. Should they pay road tax too?Why are so many little pro cyclists posting pro cyclist postings. When do you plan to start paying towards road use?
Curious minds would like to know
Cyclists dont need no respect, they are bloody assholes. They ride like jackasses so what do you expect. I dont respect hardly any of them, they are idiots and many of them deserve to be knocked over. Even up to yesterday some asshole decides to go through the red lights riding his bike and nearly crashes into me, with this stupid law it would make a kunt like this in the right, total lunacy. If the fool was going to go through the red lights at least do it with common sense when a vehicle isnt going through it on the other direction.
matt-ITR said:
As you would expect from a car forum this story has been completed twisted and put across in a biassed manner.
There is good reason why this is being called for (and by that I mean the correct version, not the car biassed version) and that is because the overwhelming majority of cycle/car incidents are caused by the car.
The cyclist will be in the right unless proved otherwise. Makes perfect sense to me and perhaps then motorists will start giving cyclists the respect and space they need on the roads.
There is good reason why this is being called for (and by that I mean the correct version, not the car biassed version) and that is because the overwhelming majority of cycle/car incidents are caused by the car.
The cyclist will be in the right unless proved otherwise. Makes perfect sense to me and perhaps then motorists will start giving cyclists the respect and space they need on the roads.
complete rubbish,go take a bath you tree hugger. Your grannys vat she pays on her cat food doesnt pay for motorways, moron.
Also you are advising cyclists to *break* the law by cycling on the pavement, make your mind up.
Local roads are paid from council tax.
National trunk roads from the big tax pot that people who do not drive pay into.
That's right, the VAT that a little old lady pays on her cat food pays for YOUR motorway system.
swldxer said:
dazsmith69 said:
what a bunch of tossers
if the government had a shed of common sense, they'd tell them to piss right off
if they use the road they should pay for it like drivers, or else f*** off onto the path
For the third time, I would pay VED on my bikes which all fall in Band A which attracts a VED rate of £0. Can't you get your head around this, drivers of low emission cars pay no VED as well. Do you want these cars to drive on the pavements?if the government had a shed of common sense, they'd tell them to piss right off
if they use the road they should pay for it like drivers, or else f*** off onto the path
Also you are advising cyclists to *break* the law by cycling on the pavement, make your mind up.
Local roads are paid from council tax.
National trunk roads from the big tax pot that people who do not drive pay into.
That's right, the VAT that a little old lady pays on her cat food pays for YOUR motorway system.
Edited by swldxer on Wednesday 30th September 15:06
Moral of the story, knock the crap out of the cyclist if they hit you or nick their bike to pay for the damages.
Kraken said:
As far as most insurance companies are concerned this is already law. Two of my kids have had accidents involving bicycles hitting their cars, one of the cyclists was even drunk but the insurance companies refused to fight it when these cyclists claimed for damages.
Agree with you 100% on this
MGRacer said:
It has no doubt been said already but I will feel better by saying it again:
1. Red lights mean stop, not ride on the footpath past the light and then go back onto the road.
2. My indicators are flashing for a reason so why the F*** do you insist on creaping up inside me when i am about to turn.
3. Why do you insist on using the road when a kind council has provided you with a perfectly adequate cycle path away from me?
4. If I run you over when you have jumped a red light - dont complain it was your stupidity that put you under my front wheels!!
We all have a duty of care when using the road so cyclists exercise yours and dont ride like k***s.
Thank you, I feel much better for that.
1. Red lights mean stop, not ride on the footpath past the light and then go back onto the road.
2. My indicators are flashing for a reason so why the F*** do you insist on creaping up inside me when i am about to turn.
3. Why do you insist on using the road when a kind council has provided you with a perfectly adequate cycle path away from me?
4. If I run you over when you have jumped a red light - dont complain it was your stupidity that put you under my front wheels!!
We all have a duty of care when using the road so cyclists exercise yours and dont ride like k***s.
Thank you, I feel much better for that.
At point number 2,bullshyt because you would be at a traffic lights, lights change green,you already had your indicator to turn left. you see a cyclass coming in your nearside mirror and the kock still wants to cut you up on the inside and they fuly well know you are turning left. they do not want to wait as they do not have the brains to realise that you are turning left until they either hit you or come close to hitting you. 99% of cycleasses have no brains.
point 3, your just a kock, motoriss have many give ways, speed humps etc to slow them down, but cycleasses like yourself think you must never press your brakes in a journey only when it comes to an end,just peddle away to be the biggest kant in the world.
2) Why do you think you can overtake me and turn left when I am riding straight on? Just wait a few seconds, let me go on and then you can turn left. The driver's classic "left hook" move.
3) Because said path has dozens of give way points at every driveway, side road and work's entrance where I am at risk of being hit from the side. It is safer on the road and much faster. After all, you would not want dozens of artificial give way points on your journey and I don't either.
4)I don't run red lights, even when the detectors don't pick up my carbon bike, although the Highway Code says I can.
point 3, your just a kock, motoriss have many give ways, speed humps etc to slow them down, but cycleasses like yourself think you must never press your brakes in a journey only when it comes to an end,just peddle away to be the biggest kant in the world.
swldxer said:
MGRacer said:
It has no doubt been said already but I will feel better by saying it again:
1. Red lights mean stop, not ride on the footpath past the light and then go back onto the road.
2. My indicators are flashing for a reason so why the F*** do you insist on creaping up inside me when i am about to turn.
3. Why do you insist on using the road when a kind council has provided you with a perfectly adequate cycle path away from me?
4. If I run you over when you have jumped a red light - dont complain it was your stupidity that put you under my front wheels!!
We all have a duty of care when using the road so cyclists exercise yours and dont ride like k***s.
Thank you, I feel much better for that.
1) Agreed1. Red lights mean stop, not ride on the footpath past the light and then go back onto the road.
2. My indicators are flashing for a reason so why the F*** do you insist on creaping up inside me when i am about to turn.
3. Why do you insist on using the road when a kind council has provided you with a perfectly adequate cycle path away from me?
4. If I run you over when you have jumped a red light - dont complain it was your stupidity that put you under my front wheels!!
We all have a duty of care when using the road so cyclists exercise yours and dont ride like k***s.
Thank you, I feel much better for that.
2) Why do you think you can overtake me and turn left when I am riding straight on? Just wait a few seconds, let me go on and then you can turn left. The driver's classic "left hook" move.
3) Because said path has dozens of give way points at every driveway, side road and work's entrance where I am at risk of being hit from the side. It is safer on the road and much faster. After all, you would not want dozens of artificial give way points on your journey and I don't either.
4)I don't run red lights, even when the detectors don't pick up my carbon bike, although the Highway Code says I can.
Edited by swldxer on Wednesday 30th September 20:01
liar, you would not wait 5 seconds let alone 5 minutes, you self confessed tree hugger.
176
You MUST NOT move forward over the white line when the red light is showing. Only go forward when the traffic lights are green if there is room for you to clear the junction safely or you are taking up a position to turn right. If the traffic lights are not working, treat the situation as you would an unmarked junction and proceed with great care.
When I am sat at a traffic light on my bike for 5 minutes at 6am and the lights have not changed it means that the detectors have not sensed the presence of my bike due to its lack of metal. Therefore the sensor/traffic light ensemble is faulty and I can proceed.
swldxer said:
swldxer said:
4)I don't run red lights, even when the detectors don't pick up my carbon bike, although the Highway Code says I can.
darmis said:
I couldn't find anything in the Highway Code that says a cyclist can run red lights.
HC Rule 176176
You MUST NOT move forward over the white line when the red light is showing. Only go forward when the traffic lights are green if there is room for you to clear the junction safely or you are taking up a position to turn right. If the traffic lights are not working, treat the situation as you would an unmarked junction and proceed with great care.
When I am sat at a traffic light on my bike for 5 minutes at 6am and the lights have not changed it means that the detectors have not sensed the presence of my bike due to its lack of metal. Therefore the sensor/traffic light ensemble is faulty and I can proceed.
Ignoring the seemingly endless torrent of tosspots that want to join this thread, did anyone read the James May article on this very subject in the Telegraph on Saturday?
I tried to find it online, and failed, but he had some really well communicated points to make. I didn't 100% agree with his conclusions, but I certainly agree with his sentiments. I have the article here on my desk, but can't be bothered to type it all out. Anyone else read it?
I tried to find it online, and failed, but he had some really well communicated points to make. I didn't 100% agree with his conclusions, but I certainly agree with his sentiments. I have the article here on my desk, but can't be bothered to type it all out. Anyone else read it?
Escort Si-130 said:
Rubbish, your council tax dont pay for roads, a lot of it comes from the VED which is virtually road tax.
When you learn to read and write properly, you might be able to decifer a council tax bill, if you don't still live with your parents. henrycrun said:
Road tax was abolished in 1935ish. Everyone pays for the roads from their Council tax.
Here is what Essex Council, for example, says.
"Essex County Council is responsible for all of the Highway Network except for Trunk Roads (A12, A120) and Motorways which are maintained by the Highways Agency "
The Highways Agency is funded out of the total tax take of the Govt. which includes VAT taken from cat food. FACT.
VED band A cars pay *no fee* at all - get it?
Edited by swldxer on Monday 5th October 13:03
Escort Si-130 said:
At point number 2,bullshyt because you would be at a traffic lights, lights change green,you already had your indicator to turn left. you see a cyclass coming in your nearside mirror and the kock still wants to cut you up on the inside and they fuly well know you are turning left. they do not want to wait as they do not have the brains to realise that you are turning left until they either hit you or come close to hitting you. 99% of cycleasses have no brains.
point 3, your just a kock, motoriss have many give ways, speed humps etc to slow them down, but cycleasses like yourself think you must never press your brakes in a journey only when it comes to an end,just peddle away to be the biggest kant in the world.
2) Why do you think you can overtake me and turn left when I am riding straight on? Just wait a few seconds, let me go on and then you can turn left. The driver's classic "left hook" move.
3) Because said path has dozens of give way points at every driveway, side road and work's entrance where I am at risk of being hit from the side. It is safer on the road and much faster. After all, you would not want dozens of artificial give way points on your journey and I don't either.
4)I don't run red lights, even when the detectors don't pick up my carbon bike, although the Highway Code says I can.
I thought that you meant Merc c class for a moment!point 3, your just a kock, motoriss have many give ways, speed humps etc to slow them down, but cycleasses like yourself think you must never press your brakes in a journey only when it comes to an end,just peddle away to be the biggest kant in the world.
swldxer said:
MGRacer said:
It has no doubt been said already but I will feel better by saying it again:
1. Red lights mean stop, not ride on the footpath past the light and then go back onto the road.
2. My indicators are flashing for a reason so why the F*** do you insist on creaping up inside me when i am about to turn.
3. Why do you insist on using the road when a kind council has provided you with a perfectly adequate cycle path away from me?
4. If I run you over when you have jumped a red light - dont complain it was your stupidity that put you under my front wheels!!
We all have a duty of care when using the road so cyclists exercise yours and dont ride like k***s.
Thank you, I feel much better for that.
1) Agreed1. Red lights mean stop, not ride on the footpath past the light and then go back onto the road.
2. My indicators are flashing for a reason so why the F*** do you insist on creaping up inside me when i am about to turn.
3. Why do you insist on using the road when a kind council has provided you with a perfectly adequate cycle path away from me?
4. If I run you over when you have jumped a red light - dont complain it was your stupidity that put you under my front wheels!!
We all have a duty of care when using the road so cyclists exercise yours and dont ride like k***s.
Thank you, I feel much better for that.
2) Why do you think you can overtake me and turn left when I am riding straight on? Just wait a few seconds, let me go on and then you can turn left. The driver's classic "left hook" move.
3) Because said path has dozens of give way points at every driveway, side road and work's entrance where I am at risk of being hit from the side. It is safer on the road and much faster. After all, you would not want dozens of artificial give way points on your journey and I don't either.
4)I don't run red lights, even when the detectors don't pick up my carbon bike, although the Highway Code says I can.
Edited by swldxer on Wednesday 30th September 20:01
Yeah, those cycleasses have no brains
FOUND IT!
Read this if you are genuinely interested in this topic: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/columnists/jam...
I think James presents a well balanced view here.
Read this if you are genuinely interested in this topic: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/columnists/jam...
I think James presents a well balanced view here.
Pity his mate Clarkson is not so enlightened.
Mr Gear said:
FOUND IT!
Read this if you are genuinely interested in this topic: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/columnists/jam...
I think James presents a well balanced view here.
Read this if you are genuinely interested in this topic: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/columnists/jam...
I think James presents a well balanced view here.
swldxer said:
Pity his mate Clarkson is not so enlightened.
I can't tell if Clarkson is actually an idiot or some kind of comedy alter-ego character like Ali G. Mr Gear said:
FOUND IT!
Read this if you are genuinely interested in this topic: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/columnists/jam...
I think James presents a well balanced view here.
Read this if you are genuinely interested in this topic: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/columnists/jam...
I think James presents a well balanced view here.
Escort Si-130 said:
Rubbish, your council tax dont pay for roads, a lot of it comes from the VED which is virtually road tax.
What sh*thole did you crawl out of?! Your attitude is outright offensive.. knock someone off a bike and then steal it to serve them right? You make me sick! henrycrun said:
Road tax was abolished in 1935ish. Everyone pays for the roads from their Council tax.
Regarding VED / road tax, feel free to educate yourself a little:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_excise_duty
"The tax, although commonly referred to as road tax, is not hypothecated for spending on roads, the entire proceeds contributing to central government revenues."
Now get back in your Escort and p!ss off back to your Kroozin' Forum.
Mr Gear said:
FOUND IT!
Read this if you are genuinely interested in this topic: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/columnists/jam...
I think James presents a well balanced view here.
except he's done no research (it's NOT BEING CONSIDERED) and/or is delusional if he thinks this does not apply to everything he would class under the description:Read this if you are genuinely interested in this topic: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/columnists/jam...
I think James presents a well balanced view here.
"So we are now in a position where a small group of sour-faced miserablists could ruin one of life's simple pleasures and one of man's greatest inventions for the rest of us."
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