RE: Will Tories Live Up To Speed Camera Pledge?
Discussion
Johnpidge said:
2blackhats said:
I'd like to think they will honour their pledges, but I can't help thinking that once in govt the lure of all that lovely money from fines will be too strong to resist.
We shall see...
+1 - spot on Sir!!We shall see...
tylerama said:
Johnpidge said:
2blackhats said:
I'd like to think they will honour their pledges, but I can't help thinking that once in govt the lure of all that lovely money from fines will be too strong to resist.
We shall see...
+1 - spot on Sir!!We shall see...
alexpa said:
Blah blah blah. What about uninsured drivers?
They need taking off the road, all 1.7 Million of them. Confiscate car, Minimum £2500 fine out of whatever income.
Ever had an accident with an uninsured driver?
Ever been run over by an uninsured driver?
On the flip side of that, no win no fee claims need to be banned and insurance companies need to stop being such a bunch of thieving They need taking off the road, all 1.7 Million of them. Confiscate car, Minimum £2500 fine out of whatever income.
Ever had an accident with an uninsured driver?
Ever been run over by an uninsured driver?
s.Crack down on road works, introducing lane rental for some of our busiest roads
Which is already in place. Contractors PAY for permits to close each lane of every trunk road. The rates depending on the day of the week and what time period. If he's to be transport secretary, why doesn't he already know this? In addition to this, does that mean we're going to see LESS funding being put into our god awful roads network? I hope not!
Give more powers to local councils to get traffic moving
Councils don't have the ability to maintain their roads, nevermind plan new roads or initiatives to "get traffic moving". The roads in this country which are in the best condition they've ever been in are the ones which are maintained by private companies (our trunk roads), which is how our local roads network should also be managed. And how exactly can a council "get traffic moving"? By taxing cars off the road? e.g. spreading congestion charges to other UK cities.
Crack down on rogue clampers
Hmm... yea, Scotland done it way back in 1992, and it took case law to actually define clamping on private land as illegal (theft and extortion). Yet England and Wales still haven't seen this come into force.
Introduce a lorry road user charge, so foreign lorries pay their fair share of tax
Which the EU will probably block. Good luck with persuing that.
Consult on our Fair Fuel Stabiliser
Good. But will it be implemented? What will it mean for those who have "gutsy" cars? Are we still going to be taxed off the roads?
Facilitate the switch to green cars by creating a national car recharging network.
Does this mean they'll tax the gas guzzlers off the road? A recharging network is good, but is running off batteries the way forward? For all we know, the government might invest in this vast car recharging network, and then a few years down the line, manufacturers will want to roll out hydrogen cars. What a waste that would be.
But speed cameras... no use where I live, the scamera partnership have just invested in changing every single gatso to a RedSpeed camera. I can't see them getting ripped out any time soon.
Which is already in place. Contractors PAY for permits to close each lane of every trunk road. The rates depending on the day of the week and what time period. If he's to be transport secretary, why doesn't he already know this? In addition to this, does that mean we're going to see LESS funding being put into our god awful roads network? I hope not!
Give more powers to local councils to get traffic moving
Councils don't have the ability to maintain their roads, nevermind plan new roads or initiatives to "get traffic moving". The roads in this country which are in the best condition they've ever been in are the ones which are maintained by private companies (our trunk roads), which is how our local roads network should also be managed. And how exactly can a council "get traffic moving"? By taxing cars off the road? e.g. spreading congestion charges to other UK cities.
Crack down on rogue clampers
Hmm... yea, Scotland done it way back in 1992, and it took case law to actually define clamping on private land as illegal (theft and extortion). Yet England and Wales still haven't seen this come into force.
Introduce a lorry road user charge, so foreign lorries pay their fair share of tax
Which the EU will probably block. Good luck with persuing that.
Consult on our Fair Fuel Stabiliser
Good. But will it be implemented? What will it mean for those who have "gutsy" cars? Are we still going to be taxed off the roads?
Facilitate the switch to green cars by creating a national car recharging network.
Does this mean they'll tax the gas guzzlers off the road? A recharging network is good, but is running off batteries the way forward? For all we know, the government might invest in this vast car recharging network, and then a few years down the line, manufacturers will want to roll out hydrogen cars. What a waste that would be.
But speed cameras... no use where I live, the scamera partnership have just invested in changing every single gatso to a RedSpeed camera. I can't see them getting ripped out any time soon.
jayfish said:
magnus911 said:
TheRoadWarrior said:
Consult on our Fair Fuel Stabiliser
What does this mean?
they want a sliding scale for fuel duty so that when we're paying more for oil, we will pay less duty and vice versa. The idea is we won't go from £1-£1.20/litre so sharply, and they will stabilise. Nice idea, but probably not practical.What does this mean?
I get the petrolprices.com daily email and a quick scan through them tells me my local price of unleaded has risen 14p per litre since the beginning of the year - that's pretty much 3p a month! That's what I hope the fuel duty stabiliser will stop.
RMcL said:
Give more powers to local councils to get traffic moving
Councils don't have the ability to maintain their roads, nevermind plan new roads or initiatives to "get traffic moving". The roads in this country which are in the best condition they've ever been in are the ones which are maintained by private companies (our trunk roads), which is how our local roads network should also be managed. And how exactly can a council "get traffic moving"? By taxing cars off the road? e.g. spreading congestion charges to other UK cities.
The money in the Transport budget is not ring fenced for Local Councils the Government give the council funnding support it is upto the council how they spend it.. Councils don't have the ability to maintain their roads, nevermind plan new roads or initiatives to "get traffic moving". The roads in this country which are in the best condition they've ever been in are the ones which are maintained by private companies (our trunk roads), which is how our local roads network should also be managed. And how exactly can a council "get traffic moving"? By taxing cars off the road? e.g. spreading congestion charges to other UK cities.
Transport is always bottom of the list.
ctallchris said:
* Give more powers to local councils to get traffic moving
Right I think they allready have these powers they just don't use them because organising traffic flow requires insanely ocmplex models and expensive consultants
I am going to stick my head up here.. I work for a private consultant undertaking traffic/transport modelling.Right I think they allready have these powers they just don't use them because organising traffic flow requires insanely ocmplex models and expensive consultants
The councils do not like using consultants, it not because we are expensive. It because we do not work to a political agenda. The council will only undertake the work if it is politically motivated, and offen the models that we develop do not agree with this agenda. Alternative solutions are found in the modelling which are more cost effective, but they do not yeild the same press coverage in the local news.
I am more for giving the planners the centre stage to solve the problems, but offen the solution is decided on before we have tested any alternatives. Transport planners are used sparingly by local authorities and only when they need to justify something to the DfT do we get involved.
Thankfully most of my work is not based in GB. Northern Ireland have the right idea, they have a major road building programme for which a 88km Dual Carraigeway is being designed. This is costing in excess of £900million to build but it opens up the whole western area of northern ireland for business as it will reduce the Journey time between Derry and Dublin.
stevieb said:
I am going to stick my head up here.. I work for a private consultant undertaking traffic/transport modelling.
The councils do not like using consultants, it not because we are expensive. It because we do not work to a political agenda. The council will only undertake the work if it is politically motivated, and offen the models that we develop do not agree with this agenda. Alternative solutions are found in the modelling which are more cost effective, but they do not yeild the same press coverage in the local news.
I am more for giving the planners the centre stage to solve the problems, but offen the solution is decided on before we have tested any alternatives. Transport planners are used sparingly by local authorities and only when they need to justify something to the DfT do we get involved.
Thankfully most of my work is not based in GB. Northern Ireland have the right idea, they have a major road building programme for which a 88km Dual Carraigeway is being designed. This is costing in excess of £900million to build but it opens up the whole western area of northern ireland for business as it will reduce the Journey time between Derry and Dublin.
Great now i'm just depressed. although not suprised. And for htose who's idealism has not yet been crushed we used to have 27 scientists and engineers in parliment after this election we have about 15... The councils do not like using consultants, it not because we are expensive. It because we do not work to a political agenda. The council will only undertake the work if it is politically motivated, and offen the models that we develop do not agree with this agenda. Alternative solutions are found in the modelling which are more cost effective, but they do not yeild the same press coverage in the local news.
I am more for giving the planners the centre stage to solve the problems, but offen the solution is decided on before we have tested any alternatives. Transport planners are used sparingly by local authorities and only when they need to justify something to the DfT do we get involved.
Thankfully most of my work is not based in GB. Northern Ireland have the right idea, they have a major road building programme for which a 88km Dual Carraigeway is being designed. This is costing in excess of £900million to build but it opens up the whole western area of northern ireland for business as it will reduce the Journey time between Derry and Dublin.
Pay as you drive is coming. Speeding will be dealt automatically as they will know where you have been and how long it took to get there. There is no way that a government can be seen to be doing less about speeding. All the reports that you can read all mention pay as you drive in various guises but with GPS tracking and number plate recognition already being trialed it is only a matter of time. The silver lining is that with no police men anywhere all you need to fool the system is duck tape.......
McAndy said:
If they even show a hint of condoning 'black-box' technologies in cars I shall personally hire a team of well trained monkey to wipe sht all over their windscreens every morning...talk of this scares the heebies out of me as a modern motorist who still enjoys driving!
I shouldn't go telling anyone in officialdom you actually enjoy driving. They'll be sending you on a rehabilitation course: "I must only drive when I absolutely must! Driving is drudgery, I hate it! I love walking" t all over their windscreens every morning...talk of this scares the heebies out of me as a modern motorist who still enjoys driving!As for keeping their word, always remember, the Tories won't do anything for you unless you are A. A party member and filthy rich, or B. Simply filthy rich!
SEAC 520 said:
McAndy said:
If they even show a hint of condoning 'black-box' technologies in cars I shall personally hire a team of well trained monkey to wipe sht all over their windscreens every morning...talk of this scares the heebies out of me as a modern motorist who still enjoys driving!
I shouldn't go telling anyone in officialdom you actually enjoy driving. They'll be sending you on a rehabilitation course: "I must only drive when I absolutely must! Driving is drudgery, I hate it! I love walking" t all over their windscreens every morning...talk of this scares the heebies out of me as a modern motorist who still enjoys driving!As for keeping their word, always remember, the Tories won't do anything for you unless you are A. A party member and filthy rich, or B. Simply filthy rich!
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