DVLA crushing vehicles on finance.

[keithkirkby]

Are you aware that the vehicles that are sold on by DVLA, & on finance are being taken from the new owners, by the finance companies. Under English law, it is fraud or desception to dispose of or sell anything on without the finance companies consent.

[Clivey]

keithkirkby said:

Are you aware that the vehicles that are sold on by DVLA, & on finance are being taken from the new owners, by the finance companies.

Got anything for us to refer to there chap?

[Alfa numeric]

keithkirkby said:

Are you aware that the vehicles that are sold on by DVLA, & on finance are being taken from the new owners, by the finance companies. Under English law, it is fraud or desception to dispose of or sell anything on without the finance companies consent.

In that case, surely the answer for the DVLA is to get the finance companies consent to sell the car, then pay off the finance and keep the balance?

Another answer would be to crush the car, tell the finance company that it was done after the due process of law, and let them sue you for the balance of the finance. Either way you should have paid your road tax.

[Anthony26]

but crushing a car means that different people pay different penalties. Crushing a knackered old Fiesta would be, say £50, whereas crushing a 1959 Ferrari 250 GT California would be a few million pound penalty.



Crushing a 1959 ferrari 250 GT california through the owner not having road tax on this car would be very sad indeed considering the tax on a car this age is free.

[skodamanpat]

Anthony26 said:

Crushing a 1959 ferrari 250 GT california through the owner not having road tax on this car would be very sad indeed considering the tax on a car this age is free.

Do you think that would stop the DVLA if the GTs' owner had forgotten to apply for their free tax disc :lol:

[AndySpecD]

No excuse to crush decent cars, DVLA can re-register them on age related plates and should sell them on at auction.

Or newer stuff could be used by police etc.

In this day and age of trying to make everyone 'green', ironically by putting up tax on cars in the first place, disposing of a perfectly serviceable car is complete waste.

I'm sure DVLA ads saying we'll confiscate and sell your car on would have just as much impact as their confiscate and crush ad campaign.

Mind you this is from a country who thought scrapping cars and making us buy cheaper cars from abroad would help the economy.

[oOTomOo]

I call troll - go away Ry_b

Edited by oOTomOo on Saturday 13th November 12:40

[AndySpecD]

oOTomOo said:

I call troll - go away Ry_b

Edited by oOTomOo on Saturday 13th November 12:40

[Roberty]

keithkirkby said:

DVLA USE THE ROAD TRAFFIC ACT, DISPOSALE OF VEHICLES, FOR NO ROAD TAX. IF YOU DONT PAY THEY CRUSH THE VEHICLE OR SELL IT ON. I HAVE JUST STOPPED THEM DEAD IN THERE TRACKS. I am due to take them to court soon. I also have the Parliamentry Ombudsman waiting for me to Autherise a full investigation into DVLA,s law breaking. Love to here back on this

You seem very pleased with yourself on this, do you have a valid reason for not having any road tax then?

[oOTomOo]

Roberty said:

keithkirkby said:

DVLA USE THE ROAD TRAFFIC ACT, DISPOSALE OF VEHICLES, FOR NO ROAD TAX. IF YOU DONT PAY THEY CRUSH THE VEHICLE OR SELL IT ON. I HAVE JUST STOPPED THEM DEAD IN THERE TRACKS. I am due to take them to court soon. I also have the Parliamentry Ombudsman waiting for me to Autherise a full investigation into DVLA,s law breaking. Love to here back on this

You seem very pleased with yourself on this, do you have a valid reason for not having any road tax then?

Trolls aren't allowed in post offices? FACT

[thunderbelmont]

The troll that doesn't tax their car (whilst on finance) should be strapped into the car while it's put into the crusher or fragmenting machine.

Now THAT would be a worthy deterrent.

[Roberty]

thunderbelmont said:

The troll that doesn't tax their car (whilst on finance) should be strapped into the car while it's put into the crusher or fragmenting machine.

Now THAT would be a worthy deterrent.

Worthy deterant Yes but how about we don't tell them and just do it anyway!

Troll free roads, troll free world!

[madala]

Timberwolf said:

Who the hell commits to a car on finance and then can't afford a tax disc?

....er the type of person who can't afford a car in the first place....perhaps?

Edited by madala on Tuesday 16th November 08:55

[Engineer1]

Soovy said:

Clivey said:

Crushing a car that's still worth a sizeable chunk of cash is downright stupidity - Surely they confiscate cars in these circumstances and sell them at auction?

Nope.

Crushing is the best deterrent I reckon. NO excuse for no tax

Soovy there may be good reasons I can think of two below.
Abroad when the tax is due and some idiot shifts your car onto the road off the drive. Or a dispute over who exactly is responsible for that piece of land is it your drive and as such private or is it a road and requires tax?

[plasticpig]

TVR Moneypit said:

HowMuchLonger said:

keithkirkby said:

Actualy you are wrong there, the court letter i have clearly states this. The taxation of the vehicle & the disposal of a vehicle on finance are now two sepparate issues.

Unfortunately you still owe the finance company the money.

Why on earth did you not tax the vehicle, or did the dvla seize the car whilst you were in the post office paying for the tax.

What car was it?

The thing is though, in my experiance you can go nearly one month over the road tax due date and still be alright, just so long as you 'back tax' for the few weeks that you have gone over.

There is no way that the DVLA are going to be crushing anything unless the tax is well past one month overdue.

The automated fine system runs on the 13th of each month or the next working day if the 13th falls on a weekend

[Roberty]

keithkirkby said:

Well i have had a read of a few things on here, just wanted to let you know this part. HEHEHE. Ok DVLA USE THE ROAD TRAFFIC ACT, DISPOSALE OF VEHICLES, FOR NO ROAD TAX. IF YOU DONT PAY THEY CRUSH THE VEHICLE OR SELL IT ON. I HAVE JUST STOPPED THEM DEAD IN THERE TRACKS. The law. UK law states this. The finance company are the legal owners of any vehicle on finance, untill the last payment has been recieved. Under English law, (quote). To sell on or dispose of anything on finance in the UK & without the finance companies approval. is. (QUOTE). Fraud & Desception. I am due to take them to court soon. I also have the Parliamentry Ombudsman waiting for me to Autherise a full investigation into DVLA,s law breaking. Love to here back on this

No update, Hhmm what a surprise!

[bakerjuk]

Engineer1 said:

Soovy said:

Clivey said:

Crushing a car that's still worth a sizeable chunk of cash is downright stupidity - Surely they confiscate cars in these circumstances and sell them at auction?

Nope.

Crushing is the best deterrent I reckon. NO excuse for no tax

Soovy there may be good reasons I can think of two below.
Abroad when the tax is due and some idiot shifts your car onto the road off the drive. Or a dispute over who exactly is responsible for that piece of land is it your drive and as such private or is it a road and requires tax?

Irrespective of where your car is you still need to have made provision for its taxation, pay the tax or declare SORN.

I don’t think crushing a serviceable car in this economic climate is EVER justifiable. A serviceable car that cannot be sold at auction should be shipped abroad for use in less affluent areas such as Nigeria, Cambodia etc...etc...

I also think the government’s stance on this is incredibly hypocritical. On one hand they heavily tax us for petrol/diesel due to the "effect on the environment", yet they make no effort to prevent additional resources being used and the subsequent production of Co2 through the crushing of a perfectly usable car, and infact contribute more Co2 into the environment.

[scrawf]

Hmmm...... Might be a bit of a grey area this. What he is talking about is 'title' to the goods. If the car is on finance the 'title' to the car belongs to the finance company - e.g. they own it. But in the contract it doubtless says that it is the responsibility of the borrower to tax insure and maintain the vehicle.

So if the DVLA 'dispose' of the vehicle by crushing it or selling it they are in effect punishing the finance company because they lent money to someone who didn't uphold their side of the bargain and tax the thing.

I suspect if the car is seized and disposed of the finance company will take legal action against the borrower and make them pay the outstanding rentals and probably the balloon payment (if there is one) too.

Scrawf

[Engineer1]

You run into issues though if the car is SORN and on the road as it is untaxed and on the road.

[Astronavis 1]

OK ,, your cars been stolen by the Dvla , first thing you do is realize that they are a corporation . Second thing you do is not talk to them at all as you words can legally bind you into "Their " terms . The main problem is the criminal damage law hey break by crushing YOUR property . , They get around this by the registration document conning you into signing your car over to them , making you the keeper of the vehicle . So technically they can now crush the car because it belongs to them . You need to take all documents down to the dvla office , demand to have the car "De registered " so the car now becomes your private property . If they crush this car you can now file for a criminal damage claim . You then call or visit the impounding yard and hand them a written contract of your side of the contract , it can be verbal with a witness or recording , You then hand them an invoice for your time , your emotional distress , any future failed business transactions , what ever you know they have cost you , make a list , In fact make it what you want , make it a million pounds . , So now even after they have given you your vehicle back you can take them to court for your side of the contract . Once you receive your car ,providing the car is for your own private conveyance home or leisure , you can drive the car without registration plates , insurance , tax , or even a license ,, as the other part of the DVLA con is you only need a license to drive for a company . When the vehicle is your own private property , it changes the law to common law right to travel . You still can get arrested by the ones who don't know the law , but then again you have to remember to "Not Consent " to the Acts , and hand your own part of the contract before even talking . as talking costs money and time . Be sure to research any of this information before putting into practice ,, as it can go wrong if you don't know what your doing . this is not legal advice , it is only a subject of interest .