EMERALD remap, 89bhp gain!

EMERALD remap, 89bhp gain!

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joospeed

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4,473 posts

209 months

Wednesday 20th October 2004
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Ok, so the thread title might be a little bit misleading

Today I had the great pleasure of spending several hours in the charming company of one mr Dave *rave talker* walker ex tech editor of cars and car conversions magazine, at his premises in deepest friendliest Norfolk

Reason for going was to get a mapping session done on a completely standard 4.5 cerbera to find out what sorts of figures we could expect.

First thing was to do the power run on the MBE ECU .. but something wasn't right .. at 4700 rpm the mixture was going waaaaaaaay lean, like as lean as the lambda would read to and then some .. time for a quick shut down .. we thought the sensor had fallen out of the exhaust but it was still there .. curious! .. did another run with the fuel pressure tester in to make sure it wasn't a delivery problem but that showed 3.6bar all the time .. still leaned off, run aborted and a measly 243bhp at the flywheel recorded!

Karl was eagerly beavering upstairs making a conversion loom and modifying the std M3D EU to fire the 75 degree V8 that is the AJP8 .. once done Dave set about mapping the Cerbie.

It's always great to see the power figures climbing as fuel is changed and ignition advance added or taken away .. Dave was very confident he could improve on the pitiful first figure .. and bearing in mind that Dave's rollers read about 10% less than the Noble rollers I regularly use it was great to see the car punch through the 300bhp flywheel figure.

gradual tweaking of advance and mixture netted the end result of 332bhp at 6400 revs and 314lbs.ft at 4900 revs. For a car with nearly 60k miles on it I think that's not bad

All in all a top day out, great to see the acknowledged master at work. I'll try to get the sheet scanned and uploaded onto my website asap.

joo





>>> Edited by joospeed on Thursday 21st October 20:58

Tatlow

187 posts

177 months

Thursday 21st October 2004
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How much does it cost and where do I sign, please?!

HarryW

14,538 posts

200 months

Thursday 21st October 2004
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Seems like a good result all round .

Harry

Podie

44,883 posts

206 months

Thursday 21st October 2004
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Sounds good



Satman - you KNOW you want it!

>> Edited by Podie on Thursday 21st October 08:43

trooper1212

8,902 posts

183 months

Thursday 21st October 2004
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Tatlow said:
How much does it cost and where do I sign, please?!


About 1100- 1200 all in with the ECU and rolling road setup.

I've talked to Emerald direct about it, but Joolz uses them too (obviously!)


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joospeed

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209 months

Thursday 21st October 2004
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yup I've set up a direct-sales-thru-joospeed for all the cerbera ECUs, the std box with a map from another car of the same spec is 750 plus vat. rolling road set up for your car is 200 plus vat. BUT you get the software nd mapping lead and handy mapping bible so if you want to fiddle yourself you can do (or take it to ur nearest friendly rolling road type personage) and also it's future-proofed in that if you make any mods you just get it remapped for a cuople of hundred pounds (or less if it doesn't need changing much) and you're bang on the power again .. plus Dave Walker is a really really REALLY nice chap

joospeed

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Thursday 21st October 2004
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Tatlow said:
How much does it cost and where do I sign, please?!



lol .. not every car gains 89bhp though! .. teehee .. typically you'd be lookng at 10% gains over an otherwise perfect car. it's enough to feel it though, and the driveability gains are tremendous


edited to add .. where the power was dropping at teh top end due to the underfuelling the car picked up 130 bhp!! lmao .. i think the owner might notice that!

>> Edited by joospeed on Thursday 21st October 12:33

jurdy

167 posts

215 months

Thursday 21st October 2004
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So what would you expect a RR 4.5 to make with the Emerald ECU?

Read an article in sprint some time ago and am thinking of stepping back into Cerbie ownership shortly.

joospeed

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209 months

Thursday 21st October 2004
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jurdy said:
So what would you expect a RR 4.5 to make with the Emerald ECU?

Read an article in sprint some time ago and am thinking of stepping back into Cerbie ownership shortly.


TVR seem to work hard to get the peak torque and power on the red rose, but the emerald gained power almost everywhere else .. goto the emerald website and look at the report and power graph on the red rose remapped there

simonsparrow

1,420 posts

193 months

Thursday 21st October 2004
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I remember reading in EVO that they had this done to a Lotus 340R. AS well as improved driveability, fuel consumption was reduced.

Have any of the Cerberas done so far suddenly leapt into the 'economy car' category?

joospeed

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209 months

Thursday 21st October 2004
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lol yeah, we managed to get more power on less fuel through most of the midrange, cake and eat it time .. though would drastically reduce if you started using the performance more of course ..

joospeed

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Thursday 21st October 2004
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added some pics to first post, have a short .avi too but can't do that from fotango ..

satman

2,455 posts

177 months

Sunday 24th October 2004
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Podie said:
Sounds good



Satman - you KNOW you want it!



Spoke to Joos a few weeks ago regarding this...looks like I need to add this to a growing list of must haves!

joospeed

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Sunday 24th October 2004
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Mark the owner has just been in to see me .. totally loves it .. had my first drive in the dry just and the performance is what it shoud be .. mid way between a very good std cerbie and the red rose versions .. just doesn't know when to stop!! He's delighted .. also what strikes you is how much smoother the engine is on proper fuelling (not cat friendly obviously) and how good the throttle response is ..

satman

2,455 posts

177 months

Sunday 24th October 2004
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Joos

I will speak to you on the 9th regarding this...seems to be impressive results. Looks likely that i'll be booking this in as well...

>> Edited by satman on Sunday 24th October 17:30

joospeed

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Sunday 24th October 2004
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Well you've got to bear in mind that this car was a bit sick .. but plenty of people go for Rover V8 remapping to cure faults and come out with power gains nowhere near as impressive as this .. so we've just done the same thing here but it's been spectacular.

Thing is, the car didn't seem to have any faults, just appeared to be a slightly soft (high mileage remember so nothing untoward with that) cerbera .. and at midrange was producing 280lbs of torque, a figure griff 500 owners wouldn't be too upset about so the car was pretty sprightly, just that now the car is fanbleedingtastic!!

easto

205 posts

169 months

Sunday 24th October 2004
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Would you say that it is as smooth as a 4.2 and the throttle response is as good?
This coming from the fact that you pitch it between a good cerbera and a RR....

Im sure he is chuffed to bits

joospeed

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Sunday 24th October 2004
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easto said:
Would you say that it is as smooth as a 4.2 and the throttle response is as good?
This coming from the fact that you pitch it between a good cerbera and a RR....

Im sure he is chuffed to bits


smoother than any other cerbie on part throttle .. only bad bit is right down at just above tickover where the air speed may be too low to atomise the fuel on the other side of the butterfly (injector above butterfly on the 4.5 of course) .. but everywhere else it knocks spots of anything ajp8 powered.

jurdy

167 posts

215 months

Monday 25th October 2004
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Jools, you did most of the work on Julian Rowntree's motor, final run was 428bhp/+/- 365 llb/ft, would the emerald ECU have made any further gains over this?