Cerbera or Evora

[DCerebrate]

The Evora will be technically ahead. I went for a Cerbera over the Evora because it is a unique and bold concept. Design aesthetics that were a tour de force. Very light weight for a 3/4 seater. So much of the car designed and built in-house - how could a small company commission and build two completely new engines? Only through faith in their own vision. And then there is the character of the Cerbera. A symphony of sound (if you like that, but many Petrolheads do cf bland refinement). A great cabin design. Safety enhanced by one’s awareness of the lack of airbags. Sure the suspension can be rubbish but upgrades and geo can make a big improvement here. So, it really depends what you are looking for. You could speak to owners and find out which car generates more passion; if it is a question just of usability then the Evora would likely have the edge.

[blueg33]

I haven’t owned a Cerberus, but have owned a Tuscan. I was and am more passionate about the Evora. Aside from funky but flakey dash in the Tuscan, the Evora S is better in pretty much every way.

[PhilF329]

I considered an Evora, XKR, Bentley, M6, Mustang, Maserati, Nissan GTR, 911 turbo etc when looking for 2+2 recently and went for the Cerbera. The Evora and Cerbera are totally different cars and neither can be used anywhere near their potential in normal road conditions. The decider for me was the character / experience of the Cerbera.

The Evora is definitely more modern and the Cerbera a bit of an acquired taste. I’m happy to use the spanner’s and had another TVR so I guess that’s a big factor in the decision. If you are happy to accept the foibles / compromise then it’s the Cerbera hands down. If you’re not, go for the Evora.

[Hedgetrimmer]

Mr Cerbera said:

Hi Carl,

With your previous, I would have thought the Lotus,
although either will be a massive departure from Hot Hatches.

They both weigh approx 1200 Kg.
They both have approx 400 bhp.
The 400 would be 10 years younger and probably more tech.

If you can afford to trailer the car to a Track Day then the Lotus.

If you can't then...I still think the extra seating in the Cerb would win it for me if I had that choice
but
You will have guessed that from my PH Moniker.

Edited by Mr Cerbera on Thursday 29th October 10:42

Unfortunately my profile isn't a true reflection of what I drive or have driven. I have a late Vanquish, Lotus Elise S1 with Caterham r500 spec engine and I have run virtually every spec Caterham up to a R600 Caterham race car so I like analog rear wheel drive cars. My hot hatch fettish was based around a 290 bhp 205 GTi turbo which I wish I hadn't sold last year as it was bonkers fun. Some good answers so far.

[Hedgetrimmer]

Massive change of plan - I purchase a 991 GT3 in the end which is epic.

[blueg33]

Hedgetrimmer said:

Massive change of plan - I purchase a 991 GT3 in the end which is epic.

Nice car a bit more costly than the Cerb or Evora unless you were looking at new Evoras

Man maths? Lottery Win or just thought - what the heck ?

[Hedgetrimmer]

blueg33 said:

Nice car a bit more costly than the Cerb or Evora unless you were looking at new Evoras

Man maths? Lottery Win or just thought - what the heck ?

I was originally considering a GT3 but I was put off by the fact that you "apparently" cannot convert them to 4 seats. I then found a business that specializes in the conversion and it was then an easy decision. The outlay is clearly more but the whole life costs will be comparable to a Cerb after GT3 depreciation

[Imran999]

For me (manual 991.2), the outright drama of the Cerbera always wins.
Of course the GT3 would leave it for dead, any situation, any road. But quite simply, the Cerbera is more fun, by virtue of being more compromised and challenging to extract performance from (without ending up in a hedge) - that’s the charm.
Enjoy the GT3, it’s an absolutely epic car and quite bullet-proof. Residuals are stellar too.

[Jhonno]

Imran999 said:

For me (manual 991.2), the outright drama of the Cerbera always wins.
Of course the GT3 would leave it for dead, any situation, any road. But quite simply, the Cerbera is more fun, by virtue of being more compromised and challenging to extract performance from (without ending up in a hedge) - that’s the charm.
Enjoy the GT3, it’s an absolutely epic car and quite bullet-proof. Residuals are stellar too.

I mean in a straight like drag a 991 GT3 has less power to weight than a 400bhp Cerb..

But..

Yeah.. Handling and outright grip I a GT3 will leave one I would imagine, and be much easier to drive.

[RUSSELLM]

I think the power to weight advantage of the cerbera has a very small sweet spot against anything like that Porsche.

There’s a point where that 475bhp comes into play, regardless of weight (within reason)

That, and and the Cerb’s slow manual gear changes, compared to the Porsche’s automated changes.

Of the various popular speed tests, I think the 100-150 would probably suit the Cerbera best, as it could be done in the higher revs of One gear

Edited by RUSSELLM on Thursday 7th January 18:53

[Imran999]

The traction of the 911 is otherworldly, the Cerb can spin its wheels in the first 3 gears.
Also, I thought the actual weight of a Cerbera was more like 1200kg which results in 333bhp/ton
The GT3 is similar at 353bhp/ton (991.2 man), but feels like it has a lot more torque, and further down the rev range.
There are times when the Cerb feels nearly as fast, for sure, but overall, it doesn’t feel like it can get anywhere near it.
In a straight-line, with a very very clean launch and seriously experienced shifting, the Cerb could get close.

But all of this is academic, they’re completely different cars. The GT3 is only fun, when driving deep in the countryside, on deserted roads, chasing real supercars. The Cerb is fun all the time ;-)

[Jhonno]

Imran999 said:

The traction of the 911 is otherworldly, the Cerb can spin its wheels in the first 3 gears.
Also, I thought the actual weight of a Cerbera was more like 1200kg which results in 333bhp/ton
The GT3 is similar at 353bhp/ton (991.2 man), but feels like it has a lot more torque, and further down the rev range.
There are times when the Cerb feels nearly as fast, for sure, but overall, it doesn’t feel like it can get anywhere near it.
In a straight-line, with a very very clean launch and seriously experienced shifting, the Cerb could get close.

But all of this is academic, they’re completely different cars. The GT3 is only fun, when driving deep in the countryside, on deserted roads, chasing real supercars. The Cerb is fun all the time ;-)

991 GT3 is 1430kg.. So it is 332bhp/tonne using Russell's 475bhp.

Anyway it was more that I was questioning the any situation the GT3 would leave a Cerb.

The only complicating factor would be gear/diff ratios.

[Jhonno]

RUSSELLM said:

I think the power to weight advantage of the cerbera has a very small sweet spot against anything like that Porsche.

There’s a point where that 475bhp comes into play, regardless of weight (within reason)

That, and and the Cerb’s slow manual gear changes, compared to the Porsche’s automated changes.

Of the various popular speed tests, I think the 100-150 would probably suit the Cerbera best, as it could be done in the higher revs of One gear

Edited by RUSSELLM on Thursday 7th January 18:53

Rolling is always the sweet spot on a Cerb! 30mph+

As I say above, the GT3 will be the quicker car in most circumstances, but not all. The power/weight is near the same based on a 400bhp Cerb.

[Gazzab]

I don’t think they compare....
- one is a lot newer (lotus)
- one is a super car on a budget (TVR)
- one is an event (TVR)
- one is faster in a straight line (TVR)
- one is a sports car (lotus)
- one is a good daily (lotus)
- one is a great handling car (lotus)
- one sounds like the devil (TVR)
- one turns heads (tvr)
- one is likely to be more expensive to run (TVR)

[Gazzab]

RUSSELLM said:

I think the power to weight advantage of the cerbera has a very small sweet spot against anything like that Porsche.

There’s a point where that 475bhp comes into play, regardless of weight (within reason)

That, and and the Cerb’s slow manual gear changes, compared to the Porsche’s automated changes.

Of the various popular speed tests, I think the 100-150 would probably suit the Cerbera best, as it could be done in the higher revs of One gear

Edited by RUSSELLM on Thursday 7th January 18:53

I chased a 911 996 turbo in a standard 4.5 Cerbera. We were pretty close up to 180 and then he pulled away.

[blueg33]

Gazzab said:

I don’t think they compare....
- one is a lot newer (lotus)
- one is a super car on a budget (TVR)
- one is an event (TVR)
- one is faster in a straight line (TVR)
- one is a sports car (lotus)
- one is a good daily (lotus)
- one is a great handling car (lotus)
- one sounds like the devil (TVR)
- one turns heads (tvr)
- one is likely to be more expensive to run (TVR)

My Daytona Blue Evora turned more heads than my Reflex Purple Tuscan

[Byker28i]

Jhonno said:

Rolling is always the sweet spot on a Cerb! 30mph+

Second gear is generally where the cerbera claws back, third is just immense, unbelievable. There's nothing linear about second to third and onwards...
Just these days one has to be very careful or on a track

[Gazzab]

blueg33 said:

My Daytona Blue Evora turned more heads than my Reflex Purple Tuscan

An Esprit turns more heads than a Chimaera.
A cerbera turns more heads than an Evora

[LucyP]

And a 991 GT3, which is what the person bought, is better than all of them. He made the right choice.

[MikeE]

Gazzab said:

I don’t think they compare....
- one is a lot newer (lotus)
- one is a super car on a budget (TVR)
- one is an event (TVR)
- one is faster in a straight line (TVR)
- one is a sports car (lotus)
- one is a good daily (lotus)
- one is a great handling car (lotus)
- one sounds like the devil (TVR)
- one turns heads (tvr)
- one is likely to be more expensive to run (TVR)

Have you driven a 430 Evora or Exige? The noise is fantastic once you open the exhaust valve, hard to believe it's legal!

I'd be surprised if a Cerbera could live with an Evora or Exige 430 in a straightline and obviously the Lotus is quicker round the corners. I think the Lotus wins hands down in all but the feeling of it being an event, there TVR wins

Saying all that the Lotus is a 20 year newer car with a bigger development budget so you'd expect it to have the advantage