Cerbera or Evora
Discussion
Stating the obvious but at the end of the day, it depends what you use it for. Which is totally subjective - like this post.
I've never owned any other sports car with similar performance to the cerb, that's not saying its quicker, I've just not owned anything else.
Cerbs are 20 years old now and whilst timeless in styling (in my eyes) clearly in some areas they're going to be far less able than something ten years newer with similar performance figures.
In a weird sort of way, I wish I had something less needy and more everyday applicable with power. I live in the middle of nowhere with miles of mud, leaves, water, pothole and muck filled lanes before I get anywhere remotely drivable. It does nothing for chassis worries and stone chip OCD.
So why do I have a cerb over something like a GT-R, lotus or an f-type; because nothing else gets to me like the cerb. I never get bored of looking at it, driving it, hearing it's sound and the 'exclusivity'. It's unique and without a doubt my ultimate bedroom wall poster from my early teens, grant turismo 1 and 2 playing days. It's what I aspired to own before anything else (including a house even) because it represented something special that was attainable by the working class, like me. The underdog TVR spirit was just another little romantic extra, British made and built and all that.
I'll never be in the ferrari or lambo club, or much of a fan personally but I can still pretend and (for me) look just as good and feel just as privileged.
I've never owned any other sports car with similar performance to the cerb, that's not saying its quicker, I've just not owned anything else.
Cerbs are 20 years old now and whilst timeless in styling (in my eyes) clearly in some areas they're going to be far less able than something ten years newer with similar performance figures.
In a weird sort of way, I wish I had something less needy and more everyday applicable with power. I live in the middle of nowhere with miles of mud, leaves, water, pothole and muck filled lanes before I get anywhere remotely drivable. It does nothing for chassis worries and stone chip OCD.
So why do I have a cerb over something like a GT-R, lotus or an f-type; because nothing else gets to me like the cerb. I never get bored of looking at it, driving it, hearing it's sound and the 'exclusivity'. It's unique and without a doubt my ultimate bedroom wall poster from my early teens, grant turismo 1 and 2 playing days. It's what I aspired to own before anything else (including a house even) because it represented something special that was attainable by the working class, like me. The underdog TVR spirit was just another little romantic extra, British made and built and all that.
I'll never be in the ferrari or lambo club, or much of a fan personally but I can still pretend and (for me) look just as good and feel just as privileged.
Gazzab said:
blueg33 said:
Gazzab said:
blueg33 said:
My Daytona Blue Evora turned more heads than my Reflex Purple Tuscan
An Esprit turns more heads than a Chimaera.A cerbera turns more heads than an Evora
Mine is from 12k miles in a Tuscan (which I think most would say turns more heads than a Cerb) and 50k miles in 2 Evoras. All miles in the UK and Europe. The blue Evora certainly turned more heads than the Tuscan and the Tusc was in reflex purple with straight through carbon cans. The blue Evora also got more comments (all positive) from random people, and strangely from a lot of ladies in the station car park at Kingham. There would be a positive comment every single time I returned to the car.
I love the rants about speed and which car is faster. Speed was 50% of the decision for me as I was also looking for a car that is amazing fun to drive, gets some nice attention and makes me want to get up in the morning for a quick blat. The GT3 fits my needs best at the moment but I might still buy a Cerb in the summer for that extra shot of adrenalin.
RUSSELLM said:
I think the power to weight advantage of the cerbera has a very small sweet spot against anything like that Porsche.
There’s a point where that 475bhp comes into play, regardless of weight (within reason)
That, and and the Cerb’s slow manual gear changes, compared to the Porsche’s automated changes.
Of the various popular speed tests, I think the 100-150 would probably suit the Cerbera best, as it could be done in the higher revs of One gear
I agree with this. Even though the power to weight of the cerb is up there with the best of them, the planets really do have to align for it to win out - the right gear and speed for that gear, warm tyres, right road surface... and enough road and speed for it to really rev out. Acceleration from low speeds is hopeless, there is just no traction. When comparing it with heavier cars of similar power to weight, the heavier car will generally win - more grip at lower speeds and more outright power at higher speeds when weight is less of a factor. That being the case, a Cerbera could eat a GT3 from, I dunno, 130-134mph There’s a point where that 475bhp comes into play, regardless of weight (within reason)
That, and and the Cerb’s slow manual gear changes, compared to the Porsche’s automated changes.
Of the various popular speed tests, I think the 100-150 would probably suit the Cerbera best, as it could be done in the higher revs of One gear
Edited by RUSSELLM on Thursday 7th January 18:53
FarmyardPants said:
I agree with this. Even though the power to weight of the cerb is up there with the best of them, the planets really do have to align for it to win out - the right gear and speed for that gear, warm tyres, right road surface... and enough road and speed for it to really rev out. Acceleration from low speeds is hopeless, there is just no traction. When comparing it with heavier cars of similar power to weight, the heavier car will generally win - more grip at lower speeds and more outright power at higher speeds when weight is less of a factor. That being the case, a Cerbera could eat a GT3 from, I dunno, 130-134mph
Haha Car and Driver recorded 7.1 seconds to 100mph and a 1/4 mile time of 11.2 for the 991.1 GT3. I think most Cerbs post mid to late 12's for the 1/4 mile even though an irrelevant measurement unless you support Trump.Edited by Hedgetrimmer on Friday 8th January 15:38
FarmyardPants said:
RUSSELLM said:
I think the power to weight advantage of the cerbera has a very small sweet spot against anything like that Porsche.
There’s a point where that 475bhp comes into play, regardless of weight (within reason)
That, and and the Cerb’s slow manual gear changes, compared to the Porsche’s automated changes.
Of the various popular speed tests, I think the 100-150 would probably suit the Cerbera best, as it could be done in the higher revs of One gear
I agree with this. Even though the power to weight of the cerb is up there with the best of them, the planets really do have to align for it to win out - the right gear and speed for that gear, warm tyres, right road surface... and enough road and speed for it to really rev out. Acceleration from low speeds is hopeless, there is just no traction. When comparing it with heavier cars of similar power to weight, the heavier car will generally win - more grip at lower speeds and more outright power at higher speeds when weight is less of a factor. That being the case, a Cerbera could eat a GT3 from, I dunno, 130-134mph There’s a point where that 475bhp comes into play, regardless of weight (within reason)
That, and and the Cerb’s slow manual gear changes, compared to the Porsche’s automated changes.
Of the various popular speed tests, I think the 100-150 would probably suit the Cerbera best, as it could be done in the higher revs of One gear
Edited by RUSSELLM on Thursday 7th January 18:53
I’ve been given one of those Draggy timing devices for Christmas, which I’m looking forward to using. Especially as there’s currently only 1 TVR recorded time on the leaderboard. I’m guaranteed 2nd place or better
Hedgetrimmer said:
FarmyardPants said:
I agree with this. Even though the power to weight of the cerb is up there with the best of them, the planets really do have to align for it to win out - the right gear and speed for that gear, warm tyres, right road surface... and enough road and speed for it to really rev out. Acceleration from low speeds is hopeless, there is just no traction. When comparing it with heavier cars of similar power to weight, the heavier car will generally win - more grip at lower speeds and more outright power at higher speeds when weight is less of a factor. That being the case, a Cerbera could eat a GT3 from, I dunno, 130-134mph
Haha Car and Driver recorded 7.1 seconds to 100mph and a 1/4 mile time of 11.2 for the 991.1 GT3. I think most Cerbs post mid to late 12's for the 1/4 mile even though an irrelevant measurement unless you support Trump.Edited by Hedgetrimmer on Friday 8th January 15:38
blueg33 said:
Funny - like its the sort of thing that has empirical data
Mine is from 12k miles in a Tuscan (which I think most would say turns more heads than a Cerb) and 50k miles in 2 Evoras. All miles in the UK and Europe. The blue Evora certainly turned more heads than the Tuscan and the Tusc was in reflex purple with straight through carbon cans. The blue Evora also got more comments (all positive) from random people, and strangely from a lot of ladies in the station car park at Kingham. There would be a positive comment every single time I returned to the car.
I know it is good car, but the Lotus is so plain next to anything TVR, especially from the 90's onwards.Mine is from 12k miles in a Tuscan (which I think most would say turns more heads than a Cerb) and 50k miles in 2 Evoras. All miles in the UK and Europe. The blue Evora certainly turned more heads than the Tuscan and the Tusc was in reflex purple with straight through carbon cans. The blue Evora also got more comments (all positive) from random people, and strangely from a lot of ladies in the station car park at Kingham. There would be a positive comment every single time I returned to the car.
Jhonno said:
blueg33 said:
Funny - like its the sort of thing that has empirical data
Mine is from 12k miles in a Tuscan (which I think most would say turns more heads than a Cerb) and 50k miles in 2 Evoras. All miles in the UK and Europe. The blue Evora certainly turned more heads than the Tuscan and the Tusc was in reflex purple with straight through carbon cans. The blue Evora also got more comments (all positive) from random people, and strangely from a lot of ladies in the station car park at Kingham. There would be a positive comment every single time I returned to the car.
I know it is good car, but the Lotus is so plain next to anything TVR, especially from the 90's onwards.Mine is from 12k miles in a Tuscan (which I think most would say turns more heads than a Cerb) and 50k miles in 2 Evoras. All miles in the UK and Europe. The blue Evora certainly turned more heads than the Tuscan and the Tusc was in reflex purple with straight through carbon cans. The blue Evora also got more comments (all positive) from random people, and strangely from a lot of ladies in the station car park at Kingham. There would be a positive comment every single time I returned to the car.
Imran999 said:
I honestly would have thought a reflex purple Tuscan would turn heads like a Cerb in Canada!
The Evora (awesome looking car), looks positively ordinary by comparison.
Surprised me too, but I think it is down to colour. Grey Evora got much less attention. My 360 doesn’t get the attention the Evora did. The Evora (awesome looking car), looks positively ordinary by comparison.
FarmyardPants said:
Hedgetrimmer said:
FarmyardPants said:
I agree with this. Even though the power to weight of the cerb is up there with the best of them, the planets really do have to align for it to win out - the right gear and speed for that gear, warm tyres, right road surface... and enough road and speed for it to really rev out. Acceleration from low speeds is hopeless, there is just no traction. When comparing it with heavier cars of similar power to weight, the heavier car will generally win - more grip at lower speeds and more outright power at higher speeds when weight is less of a factor. That being the case, a Cerbera could eat a GT3 from, I dunno, 130-134mph
Haha Car and Driver recorded 7.1 seconds to 100mph and a 1/4 mile time of 11.2 for the 991.1 GT3. I think most Cerbs post mid to late 12's for the 1/4 mile even though an irrelevant measurement unless you support Trump.Edited by Hedgetrimmer on Friday 8th January 15:38
Toyo T1R are crap as are most of the others in the original sizes but put a set of Pilot cup 2 on like the Porker wears and it makes the world of difference. porker still quicker off the line mostly due to engine placement giving great traction but the Cerb really can be very tractable.
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