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Sorry (again) BUT it is tool related....
I was lucky enough, a few years ago, to be taken round the RollsRoyce assembly line.
All the obvious, mind-blowing, things were there, as you can imagine but the thing that shocked me was that every workstation had a powered (whether that be electric of pneumatic) tool for each application (so no need to change bit or socket heads) on each side of the assembly line !!
I have, since, put a tolbox on each side of the car in an attempt to imitate
their procedures (and standards 
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I was lucky enough, a few years ago, to be taken round the RollsRoyce assembly line.
All the obvious, mind-blowing, things were there, as you can imagine but the thing that shocked me was that every workstation had a powered (whether that be electric of pneumatic) tool for each application (so no need to change bit or socket heads) on each side of the assembly line !!
I have, since, put a tolbox on each side of the car in an attempt to imitate
their procedures (and standards )In a former life I was process planning manager for the launch of the Phantom at Goodwood and yes all the tooling is brilliant. Each fixing had a torque profile depending on how "hard" the joint was. Some critical fixings are torque plus angle and there was recorded traceability too. Mind you we had to employ someone just to calibrate all the tooling!
MattPlaneCrank said:
In a former life I was process planning manager for the launch of the Phantom at Goodwood and yes all the tooling is brilliant. Each fixing had a torque profile depending on how "hard" the joint was. Some critical fixings are torque plus angle and there was recorded traceability too. Mind you we had to employ someone just to calibrate all the tooling!
It was mostly DC powered Atlas Copco from memory but it was 17 years ago!MattPlaneCrank said:
MattPlaneCrank said:
In a former life I was process planning manager for the launch of the Phantom at Goodwood and yes all the tooling is brilliant. Each fixing had a torque profile depending on how "hard" the joint was. Some critical fixings are torque plus angle and there was recorded traceability too. Mind you we had to employ someone just to calibrate all the tooling!
It was mostly DC powered Atlas Copco from memory but it was 17 years ago!
Mr Cerbera said:
Sorry (again) BUT it is tool related....
every workstation had a powered (whether that be electric of pneumatic) tool for each application (so no need to change bit or socket heads) on each side of the assembly line !!
Each tool will be set to the correct torque for that particular bolt.every workstation had a powered (whether that be electric of pneumatic) tool for each application (so no need to change bit or socket heads) on each side of the assembly line !!
At Glym9 Garage, I have a high quality 3/8" socket set from KTC (Kyoto Tool Company) - I've had it since 2004, took at least two cars apart to a rolling shell c.q. chassis and built them back up with it and it's still 99% as new. I also have a 1/2" ratchet from Teng Tools - it's fibre reinforced plastic and I've had that at least 20 years now, it's pretty much bomb proof. I tend to buy sockets from the local motor factors as and when needed, all from mid range professional brands ranging from Sonic to Hazet - all but the odd 'sacrificial' one will last me a lifetime.
However, cheap unbranded socket sets are not worth it IME. André - the other half of Glym9, and also the landlord - bought a couple from an auction and they are just like I remember from my Dad's toolchest: handy to have around in a pinch but they won't withstand regular use.
On the other hand, we've got a wall full with metric spanners, screwdrivers, hammers, Allen keys etc for general use from the local friendly Action (Werckmann brand) and actually they're fine, we can afford to lose one at average prices of 99 cents per item
but so far no one has managed to break a spanner or bust a screwdriver...
Specialist tools - Imperial socket sets and Allen keys, a measuring 'clock' for setting lifter preloads etc., two out of three torque wrenches (the other one is from the Kraftwerk brand) we mostly get from a Dutch outfit called HBM Machines, they're dirt cheap and of more than acceptable professional quality.
Then there are special tools bought as and when needed, again from local motor factos, such as a clutch centering tool, a set of picks to prise crank seals, O-rings etc. out - it's stuff that in theory you can do without but make ones life so much easier, especially when working on your own.
However, cheap unbranded socket sets are not worth it IME. André - the other half of Glym9, and also the landlord - bought a couple from an auction and they are just like I remember from my Dad's toolchest: handy to have around in a pinch but they won't withstand regular use.
On the other hand, we've got a wall full with metric spanners, screwdrivers, hammers, Allen keys etc for general use from the local friendly Action (Werckmann brand) and actually they're fine, we can afford to lose one at average prices of 99 cents per item
but so far no one has managed to break a spanner or bust a screwdriver...Specialist tools - Imperial socket sets and Allen keys, a measuring 'clock' for setting lifter preloads etc., two out of three torque wrenches (the other one is from the Kraftwerk brand) we mostly get from a Dutch outfit called HBM Machines, they're dirt cheap and of more than acceptable professional quality.
Then there are special tools bought as and when needed, again from local motor factos, such as a clutch centering tool, a set of picks to prise crank seals, O-rings etc. out - it's stuff that in theory you can do without but make ones life so much easier, especially when working on your own.
phazed said:
My mum got me my first socket set, a Hilka iirc from Green Shield Stamps, (what the fluck are those I hear you younger guys say ).
Amazing.. when I were a lad I used to save the stamps, and, there was a green shield stamp shop in Croydon.. it was like an early version of Argos... jeez I must have been a sad little chap ).
I think I did my first nut and bolt rebuild with a 10” adjustable and mole grips. And a rusty set of feeler gauges
Edited by baconsarney on Wednesday 31st March 21:59
baconsarney said:
phazed said:
My mum got me my first socket set, a Hilka iirc from Green Shield Stamps, (what the fluck are those I hear you younger guys say ).
Amazing.. when I were a lad I used to save the stamps, and, there was a green shield stamp shop in Croydon.. it was like an early version of Argos... jeez I must have been a sad little chap ).I think I did my first nut and bolt rebuild with a 10” adjustable and mole grips. And a rusty set of feeler gauges
Edited by baconsarney on Wednesday 31st March 21:59
A veritable Aladins cave.........
Another recommendation for halfords professional, even a 2nd hand set or 3. Lifetime warranty too.
I have done a LOT of heavy abusive work over the years and have never broken anything from their range.
I have a nice Facom set, some Britool and Teng also and they 'feel' more special in my minds eye but ultimately does nothing different apart from costing 3 times as much.
I have done a LOT of heavy abusive work over the years and have never broken anything from their range.
I have a nice Facom set, some Britool and Teng also and they 'feel' more special in my minds eye but ultimately does nothing different apart from costing 3 times as much.
phazed said:
My mum got me my first socket set, a Hilka iirc from Green Shield Stamps, (what the fluck are those I hear you younger guys say ).
).TwinKam said:
Bought my first socket set (all 1/2" dr) from the Exchange & Mart ...what's that? I hear you younguns cry....
These memories are making my smile so wide you'd think I was driving BB instead of having ripped the AC Compressor off her last night 
Altzheimer's can make certain specifics a tad difficult but, after your inspirations, I'm pretty sure that my Draper set came from my Dad's Embassy Coupons ! ( "WTF are they ?" say the young uns...)
2nd-best tool I was ever given, from my Father-in-Law, was an extendable magnet with a spotlight in the end - It has saved me from so much grief that I would thoroughly reccommend it to any beginner
Also goin' blind now so the Last tool, from the Mrs at Christmas, has also saved me goin' crazeee....
Just found (and refurbed)....
Edited by Mr Cerbera on Friday 2nd April 07:58
Mr Cerbera said:
These memories are making my smile so wide you'd think I was driving BB instead of having ripped the AC Compressor off her last night
Altzheimer's can make certain specifics a tad difficult but, after your inspirations, I'm pretty sure that my Draper set came from my Dad's Embassy Coupons ! ( "WTF are they ?" say the young uns...)
2nd-best tool I was ever given, from my Father-in-Law, was an extendable magnet with a spotlight in the end - It has saved me from so much grief that I would thoroughly reccommend it to any beginner
Also goin' blind now so the Last tool, from the Mrs at Christmas, has also saved me goin' crazeee....
Just found (and refurbed)....
Wow Whitworth thread gauges! Those are going to be super-useful. Last time I came across a Whitworth thread was on the bonnet catches of my old Triumph back in the 80's. Are there any on a Cerbera? Altzheimer's can make certain specifics a tad difficult but, after your inspirations, I'm pretty sure that my Draper set came from my Dad's Embassy Coupons ! ( "WTF are they ?" say the young uns...)
2nd-best tool I was ever given, from my Father-in-Law, was an extendable magnet with a spotlight in the end - It has saved me from so much grief that I would thoroughly reccommend it to any beginner
Also goin' blind now so the Last tool, from the Mrs at Christmas, has also saved me goin' crazeee....
Just found (and refurbed)....
Edited by Mr Cerbera on Friday 2nd April 07:58
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