Jay Lenos garage and a Cerbera
Discussion
LucyP said:
Yeah right. Just like Arizona. Car manufacturers routinely test cars in Arizona for a reason. TVR's test route was Blackpool to Clitheroe and back.
Have you ever been to Arizona? You really think that the car made from the most glue in the world won't have a melting dashboard or parts unbonding from the heat soak? There are so many threads on here about poor A/C. You really think that the standard 90's A/C will cope with that heat soak?
The first thing to do will be to take the car to Restomod Air and get a modern system for classic cars put in.
Where I've been is none of your god damn business - do eff off you misery. Have you ever been to Arizona? You really think that the car made from the most glue in the world won't have a melting dashboard or parts unbonding from the heat soak? There are so many threads on here about poor A/C. You really think that the standard 90's A/C will cope with that heat soak?
The first thing to do will be to take the car to Restomod Air and get a modern system for classic cars put in.
Edited by LucyP on Wednesday 21st February 11:51
MarkwG said:
DuncanM said:
LucyP, your utter misery shines through on every post, and goes against the opinion of the actual people who own these cars. My Cerbera will have been with me for 20 years this May, and many owners come back, owning TVR, after TVR.
What drives you to make these posts?
That video is a joy, a Cerbera is worth the money just on looks alone imo.
Well said: must be an absolute joy to be around.What drives you to make these posts?
That video is a joy, a Cerbera is worth the money just on looks alone imo.
Weirdly, TVR Garage said they'd been driving the car around without any overheating issues. I've driven mine around Europe, at times at 35C, which was uncomfortable for the occupants if going slow, but no issue for the car at all.
Still NegativeNancy think they know best, despite no proof they've ever had a TVR.
DuncanM said:
LucyP, your utter misery shines through on every post, and goes against the opinion of the actual people who own these cars. My Cerbera will have been with me for 20 years this May, and many owners come back, owning TVR, after TVR.
What drives you to make these posts?
That video is a joy, a Cerbera is worth the money just on looks alone imo.
Interesting to know what car this LucyP drives-owns, to most educated car fanatics out there, the Cerb is an absolute icon, brilliant things.What drives you to make these posts?
That video is a joy, a Cerbera is worth the money just on looks alone imo.
Lucy posts some utter nonsense on these forums, but I’ve got to say I’m half in agreement with her here. I cannot imagine a more unpleasant ownership experience than a Cerbera in Arizona. In my experience of Cerberas, the cooling is marginal at best in British summer temps. The A/C makes the cabin just about bearable in typical British summers. The glue aspect
I hadn’t considered, but it is a valid point!
Let’s not take anything away from the review, it was a fantastic watch. The car sounded, and looked, absolutely astonishing. Would I buy one over there, knowing what I know about the cars, and with little to no specialist support? Probably not.
I hadn’t considered, but it is a valid point!
Let’s not take anything away from the review, it was a fantastic watch. The car sounded, and looked, absolutely astonishing. Would I buy one over there, knowing what I know about the cars, and with little to no specialist support? Probably not.
I liked the video, I would have liked a little more advertising/info on the details, for example, the Americans won't necessarily know how to open the doors, he only pointed out that you have to press the logo on the tailgate. I would have liked more in terms of sound, I think the microphones were overwhelmed.
Jay has indeed gotten a little old, but he's a cool guy, the way he looks out from under almost closed eyelids.
Some people here are one reason why I keep wishing for an ignore function here. Guter these participant doesn't speak up in all pistonheads forums.
Jay has indeed gotten a little old, but he's a cool guy, the way he looks out from under almost closed eyelids.
Some people here are one reason why I keep wishing for an ignore function here. Guter these participant doesn't speak up in all pistonheads forums.
There’s some very good engineers in the states and it’ll only take one old aircraft engineer to pull one apart and document it as even a Cerbera is a relatively simple car in today’s terms.
Other owners can plug into our expertise from both the TVRCC and on these pages and talk directly to dealers hear and I’m sure they would advise.
Wouldn’t any 30 year old car suffer from interior damage if left in the sun and aren’t there lots of plastic cars in these hot states.
They must be used to the heat and if there’s a viable AC alternative that can be fitted what’s the problem.
Just need to get them to California and I’m sure a few film stars will love em.
Great video and what looks like a very nice car and a blast of fresh air for Tvr enthusiasts the world over.
That video should reach a lot of people.
The toe truck suggests Jay knows more than he’s letting on
You don’t buy a Bentley blower and expect it to pop to the shops.
A Tvr in the states would be a special occasion car and used accordingly.
People know what there doing even if Lucy would like to guard us against anything to do with the brand
Other owners can plug into our expertise from both the TVRCC and on these pages and talk directly to dealers hear and I’m sure they would advise.
Wouldn’t any 30 year old car suffer from interior damage if left in the sun and aren’t there lots of plastic cars in these hot states.
They must be used to the heat and if there’s a viable AC alternative that can be fitted what’s the problem.
Just need to get them to California and I’m sure a few film stars will love em.
Great video and what looks like a very nice car and a blast of fresh air for Tvr enthusiasts the world over.
That video should reach a lot of people.
The toe truck suggests Jay knows more than he’s letting on
You don’t buy a Bentley blower and expect it to pop to the shops.
A Tvr in the states would be a special occasion car and used accordingly.
People know what there doing even if Lucy would like to guard us against anything to do with the brand
robsco said:
Lucy posts some utter nonsense on these forums, but I’ve got to say I’m half in agreement with her here. I cannot imagine a more unpleasant ownership experience than a Cerbera in Arizona. In my experience of Cerberas, the cooling is marginal at best in British summer temps. The A/C makes the cabin just about bearable in typical British summers. The glue aspect
I hadn’t considered, but it is a valid point!
Let’s not take anything away from the review, it was a fantastic watch. The car sounded, and looked, absolutely astonishing. Would I buy one over there, knowing what I know about the cars, and with little to no specialist support? Probably not.
I think I got my AC working for a few years after about 10 years of chasing leaks. It worked OK-ish for a british summer, but didn't work in 35C temps in europe on a very long hot weekend champagne tour and others. After the engine was rebuilt it's not really been topped up since and I've not missed it. I tend to just open the windows and provided you're moving it's fine. Shorts, t-shirt etcI hadn’t considered, but it is a valid point!
Let’s not take anything away from the review, it was a fantastic watch. The car sounded, and looked, absolutely astonishing. Would I buy one over there, knowing what I know about the cars, and with little to no specialist support? Probably not.
Of course this is not the most adapted car for Arizona (like almost all european car from the nineties and before... except maybe italian cars at least they are less prone to rot there 
).
But rationality has nothing to do with buying a Cerbera in the US, you can potentially put a bit of rationality in Europe for some TVR model (I bought my Chimaera like this), but not there. This is clearly because you want a TVR Cerbera which is still a gorgeous car and which will assure you the reputation of an eccentric. People who were drove european brands in the States, like Saab, Peugeot, Citroen, Alfa Romeo, Rover/Sterling, etc, would have been seen idiots by LucyP, but who cares, let us put our money and/or energy where we want please.
During stone age, LucyP would have explained to others that making a fire was not a good idea because there is no adequate ventilation in the cave.
).But rationality has nothing to do with buying a Cerbera in the US, you can potentially put a bit of rationality in Europe for some TVR model (I bought my Chimaera like this), but not there. This is clearly because you want a TVR Cerbera which is still a gorgeous car and which will assure you the reputation of an eccentric. People who were drove european brands in the States, like Saab, Peugeot, Citroen, Alfa Romeo, Rover/Sterling, etc, would have been seen idiots by LucyP, but who cares, let us put our money and/or energy where we want please.
During stone age, LucyP would have explained to others that making a fire was not a good idea because there is no adequate ventilation in the cave.
Yes excellent video
We had the 4.5 for 23 years now, amazing cars!
The engine cooling, as Jay noted in the video, is superior to modern cars. Like many others, we’ve been on lots of hot summer track days, it never misses a beat all day long.
The occupant cooling system on the early cars particularly isn’t the best as standard though. Our 4.5 is a July 97 build (for cooling basically the same as a 96) having to put on a long sleeved top & helmet to out on track in summer was torture back when we first got it.
At some point between 97 & 99 the factory changed the ventilation system so the eyeball vents only output cold air & made the hot recirculation only. On the early standard cars the heater is always sending hot air into the air box behind the dashboard, with the AC on max you’re still getting some heat from the heater out of any open vents when moving, you can’t shut off the windscreen vents either, all vents are fed from the same air box. The mod to change it to a recirculation system (blocking off the passenger wing & cutting a hole in the footwell) would be essential for any early car heading stateside.
With recirculation mod done, the exhaust manifolds wrapped & decats the cabin temperatures are just about bearable on a hot track day.
I added an extra fan into the cooling system too, it doesn’t help cooling the whole car down inside but does help to blow more cool air directly at you.
We had the 4.5 for 23 years now, amazing cars!
The engine cooling, as Jay noted in the video, is superior to modern cars. Like many others, we’ve been on lots of hot summer track days, it never misses a beat all day long.
The occupant cooling system on the early cars particularly isn’t the best as standard though. Our 4.5 is a July 97 build (for cooling basically the same as a 96) having to put on a long sleeved top & helmet to out on track in summer was torture back when we first got it.
At some point between 97 & 99 the factory changed the ventilation system so the eyeball vents only output cold air & made the hot recirculation only. On the early standard cars the heater is always sending hot air into the air box behind the dashboard, with the AC on max you’re still getting some heat from the heater out of any open vents when moving, you can’t shut off the windscreen vents either, all vents are fed from the same air box. The mod to change it to a recirculation system (blocking off the passenger wing & cutting a hole in the footwell) would be essential for any early car heading stateside.
With recirculation mod done, the exhaust manifolds wrapped & decats the cabin temperatures are just about bearable on a hot track day.
I added an extra fan into the cooling system too, it doesn’t help cooling the whole car down inside but does help to blow more cool air directly at you.
Edited by Luckyone on Thursday 22 February 14:03
MarkwG said:
DuncanM said:
LucyP, your utter misery shines through on every post, and goes against the opinion of the actual people who own these cars. My Cerbera will have been with me for 20 years this May, and many owners come back, owning TVR, after TVR.
What drives you to make these posts?
That video is a joy, a Cerbera is worth the money just on looks alone imo.
Well said: must be an absolute joy to be around.What drives you to make these posts?
That video is a joy, a Cerbera is worth the money just on looks alone imo.
Just my twopence having owned mine for a while now (I don't want to start an argument!)
I have A/C in mine and it's a pleasure to have. For pottering around slowly (think very hot Le Mans on the Friday!!) I prefer the A/C on and the windows down - it's very pleasant and you get the noise bonus! Once you get going
, I prefer to have the windows up to stop any buffeting and at "proper" speeds, it's more pleasant! You only fully appreciate how good a job the A/C is doing when you stop and open the door and the warm air rushes in.
The Cerbera is a magnificent machine for high days and holidays that can be used as an everyday car, but it comes with its idiosyncrasies! If you want something well built, likely 100% reliable in any weathers and cheap to run, feel free to ask to borrow my Kia Venga (just acquired!!!)
Good video I thought and increased interest in our cars from the States will only help future values, and hence the economics of spending serious money on them to keep them going/make me feel better!!!
And no, I'm not selling mine anytime soon!
Rob
I have A/C in mine and it's a pleasure to have. For pottering around slowly (think very hot Le Mans on the Friday!!) I prefer the A/C on and the windows down - it's very pleasant and you get the noise bonus! Once you get going
, I prefer to have the windows up to stop any buffeting and at "proper" speeds, it's more pleasant! You only fully appreciate how good a job the A/C is doing when you stop and open the door and the warm air rushes in.The Cerbera is a magnificent machine for high days and holidays that can be used as an everyday car, but it comes with its idiosyncrasies! If you want something well built, likely 100% reliable in any weathers and cheap to run, feel free to ask to borrow my Kia Venga (just acquired!!!)
Good video I thought and increased interest in our cars from the States will only help future values, and hence the economics of spending serious money on them to keep them going/make me feel better!!!
And no, I'm not selling mine anytime soon!
Rob
robsco said:
Lucy posts some utter nonsense on these forums, but I’ve got to say I’m half in agreement with her here. I cannot imagine a more unpleasant ownership experience than a Cerbera in Arizona. In my experience of Cerberas, the cooling is marginal at best in British summer temps.
I remember mine overheating once, but I was prepared for it though, because almost all the cars I had in my younger driving years used to do it! Overheating isn't something that you tend to hear/read about with modern cars now though in comparison. I couldn't get the A/C to work though in it, but I wasn't all that bothered really, because I enjoyed having the windows down so I could hear more of the engine/exhaust.
The problem is that you are just a load of blinkered fans with the most rose-tinted spectacles imaginable. Jay Leno doesn't own a TVR among his vast collection does he, but he didn't buy this Cerbera did he?
To say that the cooling is superior to a modern car is just nonsense. It isn't. It wasn't even as good as 90's car when it was new. Leno looked under the bonnet, saw a radiator that appeared to be very deep and just assumed. The chap from the garage either didn't know, or just agreed with Leno.
Let me quote from a forum member called Gerradi from 2016:
"I used to dread traffic jams in the Cerbera, you'd be balsting down a nice country road ,round the corner temporary traffic lights/roadworks....no one in sight working.
The temp gauge would indicate 100 & that was with a larger Alloy Rad fitted. In the end I fitted a over ride switch for the fans, didn't help that much .I then fitted a different Thermostat & an inline 12v pump, I used one from a mercedes van, when I came to a jam switched th pump & fan on & never saw above 85ish...happy days."
To say that an aircraft engineer could pull it apart and conclude that it is not every complex is just meaningless. Why an aircraft engineer? That engineer won't know how many parts are unavailable, or need patience, ebay and the TVR breakers to supply them. They also won't know that no more than of 2 or 3 people have ever successfully or commercially repaired the various control boxes on the car and all those people are in the UK. The same applies to the engine. The same applies to the chassis or bodywork panels.
So everything has to be sourced from the UK, assuming that it is available. Parts have to be shipped back to the UK for repair and back to the USA again. That means cost, delays, paperwork, and the question of duty to be paid on the repair on the return to the USA. Goods being held by Customs etc.
That equals the most frustrating ownership proposition imaginable.
Who is going to buy a 28 year old Cerbera, where there is only one "dealer", based in Arizona when they can buy a brand new Corvette for less than 10% more than the asking price of this 80K mile TVR. A Corvette which is superior in every way to the Cerbera, and where there is a 3 year warranty, many dealers and no problem with local parts availability and the steering wheel is on the correct side of the car for the USA.
And if you want something old and brutal in the USA you would just buy a Dodge Viper. They are far cheaper than this Cerbera and with far less miles, and again the steering wheel is on the left and the parts and know-how are in the USA.
You are trying to defend the indefensible. You just cannot say that they were a thoroughly tested, quality, durable, reliable product. Outside of this forum most people from the former Stig to Kevin Mcloud think that TVRs are poor. How many times has the company been actually bust or bust but for the next person putting money in to rescue it, over it's history? They went bust for the final time (if you ignore the present operation because it doesn't have any cars to sell) because no one was prepared to buy the products, because they were not good cars.
You all know this. You are just pretending otherwise. These forums are full of advice about upgrades and fixes to cure the myriad of problems that the TVR production methods (AKA bodges) created and to remove the rubbish, unsuitable, components that they used with something more suitable. (See above for Gerradi's fix for his Cerbera's cooling problems for example)
Does anyone ask Power's Performance to rebuild their Speed 6 engine in exactly the way that TVR built it, using exactly the same components that TVR used? They are respected and they warrant their work because they don't do either of those things.
To say that the cooling is superior to a modern car is just nonsense. It isn't. It wasn't even as good as 90's car when it was new. Leno looked under the bonnet, saw a radiator that appeared to be very deep and just assumed. The chap from the garage either didn't know, or just agreed with Leno.
Let me quote from a forum member called Gerradi from 2016:
"I used to dread traffic jams in the Cerbera, you'd be balsting down a nice country road ,round the corner temporary traffic lights/roadworks....no one in sight working.
The temp gauge would indicate 100 & that was with a larger Alloy Rad fitted. In the end I fitted a over ride switch for the fans, didn't help that much .I then fitted a different Thermostat & an inline 12v pump, I used one from a mercedes van, when I came to a jam switched th pump & fan on & never saw above 85ish...happy days."
To say that an aircraft engineer could pull it apart and conclude that it is not every complex is just meaningless. Why an aircraft engineer? That engineer won't know how many parts are unavailable, or need patience, ebay and the TVR breakers to supply them. They also won't know that no more than of 2 or 3 people have ever successfully or commercially repaired the various control boxes on the car and all those people are in the UK. The same applies to the engine. The same applies to the chassis or bodywork panels.
So everything has to be sourced from the UK, assuming that it is available. Parts have to be shipped back to the UK for repair and back to the USA again. That means cost, delays, paperwork, and the question of duty to be paid on the repair on the return to the USA. Goods being held by Customs etc.
That equals the most frustrating ownership proposition imaginable.
Who is going to buy a 28 year old Cerbera, where there is only one "dealer", based in Arizona when they can buy a brand new Corvette for less than 10% more than the asking price of this 80K mile TVR. A Corvette which is superior in every way to the Cerbera, and where there is a 3 year warranty, many dealers and no problem with local parts availability and the steering wheel is on the correct side of the car for the USA.
And if you want something old and brutal in the USA you would just buy a Dodge Viper. They are far cheaper than this Cerbera and with far less miles, and again the steering wheel is on the left and the parts and know-how are in the USA.
You are trying to defend the indefensible. You just cannot say that they were a thoroughly tested, quality, durable, reliable product. Outside of this forum most people from the former Stig to Kevin Mcloud think that TVRs are poor. How many times has the company been actually bust or bust but for the next person putting money in to rescue it, over it's history? They went bust for the final time (if you ignore the present operation because it doesn't have any cars to sell) because no one was prepared to buy the products, because they were not good cars.
You all know this. You are just pretending otherwise. These forums are full of advice about upgrades and fixes to cure the myriad of problems that the TVR production methods (AKA bodges) created and to remove the rubbish, unsuitable, components that they used with something more suitable. (See above for Gerradi's fix for his Cerbera's cooling problems for example)
Does anyone ask Power's Performance to rebuild their Speed 6 engine in exactly the way that TVR built it, using exactly the same components that TVR used? They are respected and they warrant their work because they don't do either of those things.
Edited by LucyP on Friday 23 February 01:56
There must be different TVRs.
How else would it be possible for us to cover thousands of miles in our TVRs on the Continent without breakdowns or problems, whether on fast mountain passes in the Alps or stop and go traffic on Lake Como in summer temperatures of between 30 and 40 degrees Celsius.
As most owners here on the Continent value their TVRs highly, the TVRs are only driven here in the warmer months of the year, when it can get hot.
To get a TVR on the road on the Continent, the purchase price can sometimes double or even worse. Accordingly, we are prepared to invest more in our jewels.
Yes, it's true that when a TVR from England reaches the Continent, you can assume that at least the AC and suspension are unusable and that the hard-to-reach spark plugs have often not been changed, even when serviced by specialists.
If you can trust the claims of some people here in the forum, it would be practically impossible to do long tours here on the Continent in summer and cover thousands of miles with the TVRs.
We are even so impertinent here and expect that we will arrive back home with all the TVRs we have started, hard to believe, it actually happens.
It's also hard to believe, but even in the cooling-demanding Griffith 500, a round trip in Spain, in summer, is possible without any problems.
Even a Tuscan Challenge AJP can manage a 3,000-mile summer tour of Italy without any problems.
Our experience here is that TVRs can be extremely reliable and have good driving characteristics, and have of course a properly working AC, but proper care is essential, as with all special things.
How else would it be possible for us to cover thousands of miles in our TVRs on the Continent without breakdowns or problems, whether on fast mountain passes in the Alps or stop and go traffic on Lake Como in summer temperatures of between 30 and 40 degrees Celsius.
As most owners here on the Continent value their TVRs highly, the TVRs are only driven here in the warmer months of the year, when it can get hot.
To get a TVR on the road on the Continent, the purchase price can sometimes double or even worse. Accordingly, we are prepared to invest more in our jewels.
Yes, it's true that when a TVR from England reaches the Continent, you can assume that at least the AC and suspension are unusable and that the hard-to-reach spark plugs have often not been changed, even when serviced by specialists.
If you can trust the claims of some people here in the forum, it would be practically impossible to do long tours here on the Continent in summer and cover thousands of miles with the TVRs.
We are even so impertinent here and expect that we will arrive back home with all the TVRs we have started, hard to believe, it actually happens.
It's also hard to believe, but even in the cooling-demanding Griffith 500, a round trip in Spain, in summer, is possible without any problems.
Even a Tuscan Challenge AJP can manage a 3,000-mile summer tour of Italy without any problems.
Our experience here is that TVRs can be extremely reliable and have good driving characteristics, and have of course a properly working AC, but proper care is essential, as with all special things.
Griffithy said:
There must be different TVRs.
How else would it be possible for us to cover thousands of miles in our TVRs on the Continent without breakdowns or problems, whether on fast mountain passes in the Alps or stop and go traffic on Lake Como in summer temperatures of between 30 and 40 degrees Celsius.
As most owners here on the Continent value their TVRs highly, the TVRs are only driven here in the warmer months of the year, when it can get hot.
To get a TVR on the road on the Continent, the purchase price can sometimes double or even worse. Accordingly, we are prepared to invest more in our jewels.
Yes, it's true that when a TVR from England reaches the Continent, you can assume that at least the AC and suspension are unusable and that the hard-to-reach spark plugs have often not been changed, even when serviced by specialists.
If you can trust the claims of some people here in the forum, it would be practically impossible to do long tours here on the Continent in summer and cover thousands of miles with the TVRs.
We are even so impertinent here and expect that we will arrive back home with all the TVRs we have started, hard to believe, it actually happens.
It's also hard to believe, but even in the cooling-demanding Griffith 500, a round trip in Spain, in summer, is possible without any problems.
Even a Tuscan Challenge AJP can manage a 3,000-mile summer tour of Italy without any problems.
Our experience here is that TVRs can be extremely reliable and have good driving characteristics, and have of course a properly working AC, but proper care is essential, as with all special things.
I'm sorry, you don't understand, this is Pistonheads - the opinion of someone who owns & runs the cars has no value, when compared to someone who can cut'n'paste without ever having sat in one...How else would it be possible for us to cover thousands of miles in our TVRs on the Continent without breakdowns or problems, whether on fast mountain passes in the Alps or stop and go traffic on Lake Como in summer temperatures of between 30 and 40 degrees Celsius.
As most owners here on the Continent value their TVRs highly, the TVRs are only driven here in the warmer months of the year, when it can get hot.
To get a TVR on the road on the Continent, the purchase price can sometimes double or even worse. Accordingly, we are prepared to invest more in our jewels.
Yes, it's true that when a TVR from England reaches the Continent, you can assume that at least the AC and suspension are unusable and that the hard-to-reach spark plugs have often not been changed, even when serviced by specialists.
If you can trust the claims of some people here in the forum, it would be practically impossible to do long tours here on the Continent in summer and cover thousands of miles with the TVRs.
We are even so impertinent here and expect that we will arrive back home with all the TVRs we have started, hard to believe, it actually happens.
It's also hard to believe, but even in the cooling-demanding Griffith 500, a round trip in Spain, in summer, is possible without any problems.
Even a Tuscan Challenge AJP can manage a 3,000-mile summer tour of Italy without any problems.
Our experience here is that TVRs can be extremely reliable and have good driving characteristics, and have of course a properly working AC, but proper care is essential, as with all special things.
@LucyP
Not sure if you'd be interested/practical for you, but the TVRCC is having three track days around the country this year:
Wednesday 29th of May - Brands Hatch Indy.
Wednesday 24th of July - Oulton Park full circuit.
Thursday 12th of September - Cadwell Park.
If one of those is close by to you, I'll get you passenger ticket for you to come along for the event on me. Have a ride in a few cars, meet some owners... maybe you might start to see why folks love their TVRs in spite of them not being perfect.
There are of course other events other than the trackdays too where you can participate too if you so wished, but the offer is there if you want to take it up.
Not sure if you'd be interested/practical for you, but the TVRCC is having three track days around the country this year:
Wednesday 29th of May - Brands Hatch Indy.
Wednesday 24th of July - Oulton Park full circuit.
Thursday 12th of September - Cadwell Park.
If one of those is close by to you, I'll get you passenger ticket for you to come along for the event on me. Have a ride in a few cars, meet some owners... maybe you might start to see why folks love their TVRs in spite of them not being perfect.
There are of course other events other than the trackdays too where you can participate too if you so wished, but the offer is there if you want to take it up.
LucyP said:
Stuff
Yes but...Just bloody look at it.
You can't apply cold hard rationality (however right or wrong).
It's a drop dead gorgeous car, that sounds epic, contains more leather than a bondage club and was made in a shed by a bloke called Dave, who smokes tabs and hates Fleetwood Town.
It's a flawed product. We know that. So are Maserati 3200's, but I would have one any day. For what I have spent on my 928 I could have bought a 981 3.4S, but there are loads of them, and not many decent S4's.
Buy a Cerbera or buy a 15 yr old M3 or 7 year old M4. I know which one would get approving nods and start conversations at the petrol station.
LucyP said:
And they are charging the earth for doing that. They only have 3 cars for sale. All Cerberas and all Arizona registered. The cheapest one is $63,500. That has 84K on the clock. That is about £51,200. There is another thread on here about the P885 KON Cerbera. Someone has spent £14K on repairs on that one and they are not even asking £30K for it, let alone over £50K, and it has 30 odd thousand miles, not 80 odd.
A new Corvette starts at $70K by comparison and is faster, handles better, comes with a 3 year warranty and with A/C that works. There are also nearly 3000 Chevy dealers.
And can you imagine buying a Cerbera and using it in Arizona, with it's A/C which is too weedy even for the UK. Can you imagine how poor that will be in Arizona? It's 28C in the middle of the night in July in Phoenix and 40+ every day June, July and August.
And if you don't live in Arizona, you have to get the car re-registered in the state in which you live. Not all states will pass a Cerbera as fit for registration, and how do you get it serviced or repaired if you live in Chicago - 1,750 miles away or Miami, 2,400 miles away?
Even Jay Leno noticed that the engine sounded rough. Leno didn't realise that the only car more unreliable than an old TVR is an old TVR in hot climate.
Only the same way a $20k Viper is £50k by the time it's landed here and that's without any prep beyond the SVA (or whatever its called this week). A new Corvette starts at $70K by comparison and is faster, handles better, comes with a 3 year warranty and with A/C that works. There are also nearly 3000 Chevy dealers.
And can you imagine buying a Cerbera and using it in Arizona, with it's A/C which is too weedy even for the UK. Can you imagine how poor that will be in Arizona? It's 28C in the middle of the night in July in Phoenix and 40+ every day June, July and August.
And if you don't live in Arizona, you have to get the car re-registered in the state in which you live. Not all states will pass a Cerbera as fit for registration, and how do you get it serviced or repaired if you live in Chicago - 1,750 miles away or Miami, 2,400 miles away?
Even Jay Leno noticed that the engine sounded rough. Leno didn't realise that the only car more unreliable than an old TVR is an old TVR in hot climate.
Edited by LucyP on Wednesday 21st February 11:28
Gassing Station | Cerbera | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff