Cerbera V8 Power Steering Pump - How difficult to change?

[DuncanM]

From this picture, I think you need to pull the pressure hose to the right, away from the chassis rail, then you should have room to get a socket on it

[Mr Cerbera]

Well, that's interesting to say

BUT

Those pipe ends are 32 cm away from the nearest access that my hand can make.
Looks like I'm gonna hafta get either :-

a) A new set of elongated tools
or
b) A trained Octopus.

Having established that the port exits are horizontal to the floor and at a right-angle to the pump shaft, I can, at least, get some idea of where I should be going.

In this photo, the Tape Measure, has dropped through from above Exhaust Port N° 3, which is where I have estimated the PAS Ports to be.


The dirty-great-big Oil Pipe under the PAS Pump is blocking my way so I'm now thinking that disconnecing and removing that will make access more feasible..
Looks like I'm gonna hafta go up another level on the Axle Stands

(If there's no further correspondence, the Front, right-hand Disc will have decapitated me )

Edited by Mr Cerbera on Tuesday 21st June 16:20

[DuncanM]

You are very funny Paul, love your posts!

Please don't give up on what I'm saying, you need to trust that you can reach in and put a socket on those fittings, because you definitely can. You can then add a nice bit of leverage onto the pressure one, as there is room.

I'm going to draw a funny picture, and post what I'm trying to explain

[DuncanM]

Does it help if I say that this access is horizontal, from the front of the engine, and not from above the fixings?

Hilarious picture follows

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Edited by DuncanM on Tuesday 21st June 08:50

Edited by DuncanM on Tuesday 21st June 08:50

[Mr Cerbera]

...... still fumbling (but at least from a different direction)......

(Takes me back to my first girlfriend)

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Big Thanks for the pics - Extreeeeemely helpful
Looks like I'm gonna get there through the Wheel Arch )

Edited by Mr Cerbera on Tuesday 21st June 16:28

[DuncanM]

Mr Cerbera said:

...... still fumbling (but at least from a different direction)......

(Takes me back to my first girlfriend)

[CerbWill]

Mr Cerbera said:

Big Thanks for the pics - Extreeeeemely helpful
Looks like I'm gonna get there through the Wheel Arch )

Not likely Paul, with the chassis bracing and steering link rod access is tricky and the PAS connections are further back. You either need to be looking from underneath or from within the engine bay looking backwards under the exhaust manifold.

[ridds]

Just give up, honestly.

My Mechanical pump gave up years ago. Fitted a Saxo pump and forgot about the one on the engine.

The old pump is still sat there, occasionally moving, 5 years later....

Spend your time fitting a PAS cooler. Much more worthwhile.

[notaping]

Paul, Here's an idea that might just get you a bit more room...

Undo the engine mount on the drivers side (big bolt from below), and slowly/carefully jack up that side of the engine (put a trolley jack and block of wood under that side of the sump). It will tilt over until something interferes. It will either be the steering column or the exhaust header on the passenger side, but you should gain another couple of inches to reach in from above.

I seem to remember doing this when I took the pump off with the engine in place.

G.

[DuncanM]

notaping said:

Paul, Here's an idea that might just get you a bit more room...

Undo the engine mount on the drivers side (big bolt from below), and slowly/carefully jack up that side of the engine (put a trolley jack and block of wood under that side of the sump). It will tilt over until something interferes. It will either be the steering column or the exhaust header on the passenger side, but you should gain another couple of inches to reach in from above.

I seem to remember doing this when I took the pump off with the engine in place.

G.

This is crazy, I've already pointed out that I quite comfortably got them off/on without any shenanigans like that. It was the easiest bit of the job tbh.

[CerbWill]

DuncanM said:

This is crazy, I've already pointed out that I quite comfortably got them off/on without any shenanigans like that. It was the easiest bit of the job tbh.

Agreed!

[Mr Cerbera]

notaping said:

Paul, Here's an idea that might just get you a bit more room...

Undo the engine mount on the drivers side (big bolt from below), and slowly/carefully jack up that side of the engine (put a trolley jack and block of wood under that side of the sump). It will tilt over until something interferes. It will either be the steering column or the exhaust header on the passenger side, but you should gain another couple of inches to reach in from above.

I seem to remember doing this when I took the pump off with the engine in place.

G.

Thanks Gordon, I love your inventiveness and indomitable spirit

CerbWill said:

Not likely Paul, with the chassis bracing and steering link rod access is tricky and the PAS connections are further back. You either need to be looking from underneath or from within the engine bay looking backwards under the exhaust manifold.

DuncanM said:

This is crazy, I've already pointed out that I quite comfortably got them off/on without any shenanigans like that. It was the easiest bit of the job tbh.

Thanks Will & Dunc
BUT
There is NO ACCESS from the top or the bottom - Zero, Nienté, Nada, Nichts,Zilch, Sweet Fanny All !

ridds said:

Just give up, honestly.

My Mechanical pump gave up years ago. Fitted a Saxo pump and forgot about the one on the engine.

The old pump is still sat there, occasionally moving, 5 years later....

Spend your time fitting a PAS cooler. Much more worthwhile.

Oh Ridds, you're a STAR !

I almost fell off my chair at your opening line.

Your comment on a cooler is interesting coz, as I delved deeper into the problem and found the truly bizarre paths that some of these pipes took, I thought to myself "Why don't I relocate the reservoir adjacent to the Clutch Reservoir, or at least behind the air con cooler / radiator so that the pipes' paths can be shortened ?"
I could then use that PAS Reservoir for the Windscreen Washer.
I never use the 'F1' Panel so the Windscreen Washer pipe cap has gone.

What practical experiences have you suffered which make you suggest cooling the PAS Oil ?

Ta !

TVR's 'Bodgit' problem-solving attitude has been the motivator behind many creative thoughts.

[ridds]

Driving in hot weather and for prolonged periods of time heats the PAS fluid to the point of there being zero assistance.

As I found out in Monaco in a 35 degree ambient....

A simple pipe across in front of the rad or a bogbrush cooler would work wonders.

[DuncanM]

[b] Thanks Will & Dunc
BUT
There is NO ACCESS from the top or the bottom - Zero, Nienté, Nada, Nichts,Zilch, Sweet Fanny All ! laugh[/b]

This is factually incorrect, I just popped out to my car, and even without removing the airbox, I can get a socket onto the pressure fitting.

Right shoulder on the manifold, lean in and feel the bolt!

[Mr Cerbera]

DuncanM][b said:

Thanks Will & Dunc
BUT
There is NO ACCESS from the top or the bottom - Zero, Nienté, Nada, Nichts,Zilch, Sweet Fanny All ! laugh[/b]

This is factually incorrect, I just popped out to my car, and even without removing the airbox, I can get a socket onto the pressure fitting.

Right shoulder on the manifold, lean in and feel the bolt!

SHOW ME YOUR TOOL !

[DuncanM]

Mr Cerbera said:

SHOW ME YOUR TOOL !

Take me to dinner first!

I might do a vid later, but I just don't understand how you can't get this, unless 4.5s are different, which I'm pretty sure they're not?

[ridds]

DuncanM said:

Mr Cerbera said:

SHOW ME YOUR TOOL !

Take me to dinner first!

I might do a vid later, but I just don't understand how you can't get this, unless 4.5s are different, which I'm pretty sure they're not?

[Mr Cerbera]

DuncanM said:

Take me to dinner first!



I might do a vid later, but I just don't understand how you can't get this, unless 4.5s are different, which I'm pretty sure they're not?

Well, you've seen My Vid, so just tell me I'm a Dullo !
(Most people have)

Actually, before you launch into the insults, could you please confirm that it's a 7/8 AF ?
Ta !

Edited by Mr Cerbera on Thursday 23 June 13:33

[CerbWill]

I've gone for the Saxo PAS pump conversion but I took this while checking oil and water before setting off home today. Just leant in the engine bay and took this pic under the airbox and exhaust manifold. You can see the space where the pump bolts to the back of the oil/water pump assembly. Loads of room to the side to get a spanner on the pressure pipe banjo.

[DuncanM]

CerbWill said:

I've gone for the Saxo PAS pump conversion but I took this while checking oil and water before setting off home today. Just leant in the engine bay and took this pic under the airbox and exhaust manifold. You can see the space where the pump bolts to the back of the oil/water pump assembly. Loads of room to the side to get a spanner on the pressure pipe banjo.

Indeed

Paul, we're not saying it's super duper easy to access, but it's easy enough.

Plan for ye:
1) strip all the heat shielding from both hoses.
2) take close up pictures with light permanently on, so you can see what you are trying to get to.
3) practice getting your hand onto the fittings, by leaning in, right armpit near front of manifold.
4) lean in again with 7/8 socket, and get it onto the bolt
5) lean in and connect ratchet to socket


Good luck.