3200 GT or 4200 GT
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I have been told that the 3200 gt is the better drive, but do a forum search, which will reveal far more educated replies. I use my car daily with no failures at all.( i have had warning lights, which resolved themselves as they are famous for). It is a fantastic car with loads of room, and as mention previously, the best grins per gallon.
Ian
Ian
The only real difference (Apart from the bommerang lights and the bonnet vents that distinguish the 3200 from the 4200 - and make it look better) is the engine.
3200 is 3.2 Maserati engine (Derivative of pervious QP engine with many new parts) with twin turbochargers developing 370bhp.
4200 is ferrari derived (detuned 360 lump tuned for torque and not so high revving).
From a daily driver point of view it's probably worth considering an auto 3200 - it'll be smoother than a cambio 4200, almost as quick and a darn site cheaper.
Manual 3200 is a hoot, but as an everyday driver in traffic it's less ideal unless you're a serious petrolhead.
4200 cheaper to service, 600 quid opposed to 1000 quid a year).
Early 4200's don't ahve a great rep - evo slated the 2002 4200 cars. LAter software available in 2003 made better gearchanges etc on the cambiocorsa. These may have been retrospectively applied to the 2002 cars though - I'm not sure.
3200 is 3.2 Maserati engine (Derivative of pervious QP engine with many new parts) with twin turbochargers developing 370bhp.
4200 is ferrari derived (detuned 360 lump tuned for torque and not so high revving).
From a daily driver point of view it's probably worth considering an auto 3200 - it'll be smoother than a cambio 4200, almost as quick and a darn site cheaper.
Manual 3200 is a hoot, but as an everyday driver in traffic it's less ideal unless you're a serious petrolhead.
4200 cheaper to service, 600 quid opposed to 1000 quid a year).
Early 4200's don't ahve a great rep - evo slated the 2002 4200 cars. LAter software available in 2003 made better gearchanges etc on the cambiocorsa. These may have been retrospectively applied to the 2002 cars though - I'm not sure.
2003 software for the Gearbox and Suspension was part of a campaign so should have been carried out on all 4200s. If not it will be done under warranty.
4200 has slightly more interior space and the new screen based centre console that allows proper Sat /nav and loads more functions.
Quality is up all over the car. (though you lose the alcantara headlining!)
4200 seems to be more sorted - but a 3 year old 3200 will have had all the "niggles" sorted out by now.
I have a 4200 and it's fab, but if I was buying one today
I would either buy a 2001 3200 auto for about £30K (and yes you can get them for that!)
or a 2002 42000 for about £ 38K Man or £39.5K cambio
or a 2004 /04 4200 Cambio for £49.5K
or all three!!!!!
4200 has slightly more interior space and the new screen based centre console that allows proper Sat /nav and loads more functions.
Quality is up all over the car. (though you lose the alcantara headlining!)
4200 seems to be more sorted - but a 3 year old 3200 will have had all the "niggles" sorted out by now.
I have a 4200 and it's fab, but if I was buying one today
I would either buy a 2001 3200 auto for about £30K (and yes you can get them for that!)
or a 2002 42000 for about £ 38K Man or £39.5K cambio
or a 2004 /04 4200 Cambio for £49.5K
or all three!!!!!
Was looking for a 3200 for a while before eventually buying the 4200 so drove quite a few auto and manual The seating position is much better in the 4200 and the seats themselves are far more supportive as mentioned earlier the sat nav/phone info centre is useful and makes the interior look much more up to date, the steering is more weighted in the 4200 and given that it is quite direct this is a good thing.
As mentioned the engine is the biggest difference and in my opinion the best feature of the 4200, it is a magnificent lump, overall the 4200 is an evolution of the earlier car so improvements are to be excpected but the 3200 was in some ways more characterful, the way the car accelerated as the turbo's kicked in was spectacular and those gorgeous boomerang lights are sorely missed also should you be so inclined a 450BHP tuning upgrade is available.... but as a overall proposition,especially
given your requirements the 4200 is (IMO) the better option.
As mentioned the engine is the biggest difference and in my opinion the best feature of the 4200, it is a magnificent lump, overall the 4200 is an evolution of the earlier car so improvements are to be excpected but the 3200 was in some ways more characterful, the way the car accelerated as the turbo's kicked in was spectacular and those gorgeous boomerang lights are sorely missed also should you be so inclined a 450BHP tuning upgrade is available.... but as a overall proposition,especially
given your requirements the 4200 is (IMO) the better option.
Tell me more about the 450 bhp upgrade. Is this a Maserati approved upgrade and therefore will not affect warranty, or a complete aftermarket pack?
I've been researching around the market with a view to getting one probably next year (and need to sell my Tuscan first too) - but have not come across much in the way of independents for sales, service and modifications. They must be out there, but where?
I've been researching around the market with a view to getting one probably next year (and need to sell my Tuscan first too) - but have not come across much in the way of independents for sales, service and modifications. They must be out there, but where?
4200 annual service from main dealer was £ 595. (no subsidy)
There is a more expensive one every 36000 miles (I think) as it includes the belts. - not a massive issue for mune as it's only done 5.5k miles.
Servicing a 3200 takes "8 hours" (well you're charged for that) on a 4200 its 3.5 hours.
>> Edited by exint2 on Tuesday 17th August 13:33
There is a more expensive one every 36000 miles (I think) as it includes the belts. - not a massive issue for mune as it's only done 5.5k miles.
Servicing a 3200 takes "8 hours" (well you're charged for that) on a 4200 its 3.5 hours.
>> Edited by exint2 on Tuesday 17th August 13:33
Tus 373,
450 bhp upgrade indeed available through Caracalla known as the leo narde upgrade, Leo Narde is a German based tuner that does a lot of maserati stuff, gets the 4200 up to 440bhp
There was a german LHD 3200 for sale recently in Top Marques with 470bhp also claimed a Vmax of 190mph..
....
Anyway I think the Verdi price (1K?) to get up to 420bhp is probably the best bet i think this involves only the 'chip' being played with the extra 30 horses being offered by caracalla were through a revised or upgraded induction system, messing with the throttle software etc.. but at the cost of a extra 5k over the Verdi route?? Anyway i have got a contact number for the guy from caracalla he jacked the business in but im sure yould still do some work if asked, they did offer things like brake and suspension upgrades, 19 " wheels, de-cat, sports zorst etc. I think Verdi does offer the de-cat and zorst through Scuderia as for the rest i don't know. Im pretty sure any of these 'mods' would invalidate the warranty (officially anyway) given that a even a sports exhaust is forbidden.
Also have you driven a standard car yet? If not see what you think of the power it has first, i remember being desperate to buy a red rose as opposed to a standard tuscan before driving one, after driving the standard Tuscan i didn't think i would miss the extra 20bhp!!
For independent servicing costs..see Verdi's fixed price menu and Rosso Corsa in Park Royal offer a similair menu. www.verdiferrari.biz www.rossocorsa.co.uk
450 bhp upgrade indeed available through Caracalla known as the leo narde upgrade, Leo Narde is a German based tuner that does a lot of maserati stuff, gets the 4200 up to 440bhp
There was a german LHD 3200 for sale recently in Top Marques with 470bhp also claimed a Vmax of 190mph..
.... Anyway I think the Verdi price (1K?) to get up to 420bhp is probably the best bet i think this involves only the 'chip' being played with the extra 30 horses being offered by caracalla were through a revised or upgraded induction system, messing with the throttle software etc.. but at the cost of a extra 5k over the Verdi route?? Anyway i have got a contact number for the guy from caracalla he jacked the business in but im sure yould still do some work if asked, they did offer things like brake and suspension upgrades, 19 " wheels, de-cat, sports zorst etc. I think Verdi does offer the de-cat and zorst through Scuderia as for the rest i don't know. Im pretty sure any of these 'mods' would invalidate the warranty (officially anyway) given that a even a sports exhaust is forbidden.
Also have you driven a standard car yet? If not see what you think of the power it has first, i remember being desperate to buy a red rose as opposed to a standard tuscan before driving one, after driving the standard Tuscan i didn't think i would miss the extra 20bhp!!
For independent servicing costs..see Verdi's fixed price menu and Rosso Corsa in Park Royal offer a similair menu. www.verdiferrari.biz www.rossocorsa.co.uk
exint2 said:
4200 annual service from main dealer was £ 595. (no subsidy)
There is a more expensive one every 36000 miles (I think) as it includes the belts. - not a massive issue for mune as it's only done 5.5k miles.
Servicing a 3200 takes "8 hours" (well you're charged for that) on a 4200 its 3.5 hours.
>> Edited by exint2 on Tuesday 17th August 13:33
exint2
Does'nt the 4200 have chains rather than belts and therefore does'nt require changes as frequently?
Tus 373,
Here's an idea of what the engine mod's look like (note stainless pipes)
http://carrozzeriadesign.com/gallery/Maserati-Coupe/leomotortuning
And for more Leo Nardo pic's..some good...some not so good.
http://carrozzeriadesign.com/gallery/LeoNardo
>> Edited by singh on Tuesday 17th August 18:10
Here's an idea of what the engine mod's look like (note stainless pipes)
http://carrozzeriadesign.com/gallery/Maserati-Coupe/leomotortuning
And for more Leo Nardo pic's..some good...some not so good.
http://carrozzeriadesign.com/gallery/LeoNardo
>> Edited by singh on Tuesday 17th August 18:10
mr_tony said:
The only real difference (Apart from the bommerang lights and the bonnet vents that distinguish the 3200 from the 4200 - and make it look better) is the engine.
3200 is 3.2 Maserati engine (Derivative of pervious QP engine with many new parts) with twin turbochargers developing 370bhp.
4200 is ferrari derived (detuned 360 lump tuned for torque and not so high revving).
From a daily driver point of view it's probably worth considering an auto 3200 - it'll be smoother than a cambio 4200, almost as quick and a darn site cheaper.
Manual 3200 is a hoot, but as an everyday driver in traffic it's less ideal unless you're a serious petrolhead.
4200 cheaper to service, 600 quid opposed to 1000 quid a year).
Early 4200's don't ahve a great rep - evo slated the 2002 4200 cars. LAter software available in 2003 made better gearchanges etc on the cambiocorsa. These may have been retrospectively applied to the 2002 cars though - I'm not sure.
so am I right in thinking that you can get into a ferrari engined open top car for £40k with paddle shift (cambiocorsa) stick a Tubbi on it and hey presto a ferrari with (IMO) a more likable & useable image?
do we know if the later software is derived from Ferrari, as this system seems to be getting better reveiws of late.
Nik
>> Edited by pvapour on Tuesday 17th August 20:19
Arggggh, the dangers of doing research!
I spoke with my local Ferrari independent today and they won't touch Maseratis for servicing. He explained that they don't have the necessary software, that parts are difficult to get hold of and more expensive than Ferrari. He also added insult to injury saying that when thay have them in for repairs, they usually find something else that the owner didn't know about. So they come in with one problem that gets fixed, and go back out with a new problem to fix. They therefore say that they don't like to touch them and advised me not to get one - but consider a Ferrari instead!
Like with any car purchase decision, it seems to be a case of who you believe, but I have to confess that it is putting me off.
I spoke with my local Ferrari independent today and they won't touch Maseratis for servicing. He explained that they don't have the necessary software, that parts are difficult to get hold of and more expensive than Ferrari. He also added insult to injury saying that when thay have them in for repairs, they usually find something else that the owner didn't know about. So they come in with one problem that gets fixed, and go back out with a new problem to fix. They therefore say that they don't like to touch them and advised me not to get one - but consider a Ferrari instead!
Like with any car purchase decision, it seems to be a case of who you believe, but I have to confess that it is putting me off.
TUS 373 said:
Arggggh, the dangers of doing research!
I spoke with my local Ferrari independent today and they won't touch Maseratis for servicing. He explained that they don't have the necessary software, that parts are difficult to get hold of and more expensive than Ferrari. He also added insult to injury saying that when thay have them in for repairs, they usually find something else that the owner didn't know about. So they come in with one problem that gets fixed, and go back out with a new problem to fix. They therefore say that they don't like to touch them and advised me not to get one - but consider a Ferrari instead!
Like with any car purchase decision, it seems to be a case of who you believe, but I have to confess that it is putting me off.
Tus 373,
If you listened to everything you heard would you really have bought a TVR? Let alone a Tuscan!
I can hardly think of a car with a worse reputation but like me you made the leap of faith, hopefully by being well informed, ultimately its always a risk but there is nothing worth having without it.
Like you said, he 'suggested' you buy a Ferrari instead, well maybe... but surely there is a conflict of interests in a Ferrari independent that tell's you 'he wouldn't touch maseratis' giving you the advice.
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