F430 Market Watch

F430 Market Watch

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RamboLambo

4,843 posts

116 months

Tuesday 12th December 2017
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Manuals maybe in the limelight now for lower volumes and old farts that love a bit of nostalgia but going forward the new money from the younger generation won't want a manual. This craze and hype over manuals will die back down in 5 - 10 years

100 IAN

1,064 posts

108 months

Wednesday 13th December 2017
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A manual gearbox in a modern 600+ bhp supercar just doesn't make sense in my view,

A manual gearbox in a <400 bhp supercar from the last millennium does.

PantsFire

519 posts

26 months

Wednesday 13th December 2017
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Many 911 GT3 owners would disagree with you.

Roof down

187 posts

72 months

Wednesday 13th December 2017
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red_slr said:
Ferrari currently too close to F1 to bring back the manual IMHO. IIRC their current focus is on electricity boost etc.
Their cars are getting pretty big these days to fit all that tech in there, would be nice if they did a Boxster size car though with manual trans and a small capacity NA V8..
I have always thought this exactly, Boxster size with manual and a N/A engine although with new emissions regs it’s unlikely.
I own a 360 Spider manual and 3.4S Boxster manual, I do think that the younger generation probably won’t want manuals, and agree past sensible HP only the latest fastest shifting boxes really will do, that said where can you exploit it all on our roads, so reasonably powered cars with manuals willdo nicely, for me anyway.
Back to topic 430 will come down a little I reckon

MDL111

3,817 posts

123 months

Wednesday 13th December 2017
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I don't get why people say just because a car has a lot of power a manual does not make sense - a CGT has more than 600hp, some Rufs have 800 Hp and People seem to be happy enough to buy them with a manual. I certainly would and if the cars I own were available with a manual that would definitely be my choice - for daily driver as well as for weekend cars - nothing more satisfying than a good manual box imo

And I agree the younger generation does not seem to want them, so the inflated prices might well retract in the medium to long term -,all the better for me if I am still around

Taaaaang

4,365 posts

132 months

Wednesday 13th December 2017
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MDL111 said:
I don't get why people say just because a car has a lot of power a manual does not make sense - a CGT has more than 600hp, some Rufs have 800 Hp and People seem to be happy enough to buy them with a manual. I certainly would and if the cars I own were available with a manual that would definitely be my choice - for daily driver as well as for weekend cars - nothing more satisfying than a good manual box imo

And I agree the younger generation does not seem to want them, so the inflated prices might well retract in the medium to long term -,all the better for me if I am still around
It's not just the younger generation.

As I said in an earlier post I suspect that nobody in Asia/Middle East/US wants a manual full stop.

RamboLambo

4,843 posts

116 months

Wednesday 13th December 2017
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DCT's are so much faster than any racing driver in a manual equivalent most of the 0-60 or 100 time is gained here so it makes more sense in a supercar than a manual to me.
I know people bleat on about driver engagement and feeling the gearchange but there are some very good automated systems out there that do give you that change of gear sensation without using your left foot.
Some of the changes are too fast and too smooth that the manufacturers have de-engineered them back. A Huracan performante in corsa mode is epic, far quicker than the old e -gear and a definite change of gear jolt without the break your neck every gearchange.

Manuals will be for the collectors but will go out of fashion so be warned if you buy in at the peak

Yipper

5,964 posts

36 months

Wednesday 13th December 2017
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Manuals = 20th century.
Paddles = 21st century.

Every single one of the world's top-20 most expensive cars ever sold at auction this decade are manuals. Their average age is 56 years-old (built in 1961). Their average selling price is US$22m. Manuals have stayed popular (at elite auctions) for half a century. If that trend continues, manual supercars should be good for price rises until at least the 2040s.

MDL111

3,817 posts

123 months

Wednesday 13th December 2017
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Taaaaang said:
MDL111 said:
I don't get why people say just because a car has a lot of power a manual does not make sense - a CGT has more than 600hp, some Rufs have 800 Hp and People seem to be happy enough to buy them with a manual. I certainly would and if the cars I own were available with a manual that would definitely be my choice - for daily driver as well as for weekend cars - nothing more satisfying than a good manual box imo

And I agree the younger generation does not seem to want them, so the inflated prices might well retract in the medium to long term -,all the better for me if I am still around
It's not just the younger generation.

As I said in an earlier post I suspect that nobody in Asia/Middle East/US wants a manual full stop.
I'd exclude the US fro that, but fully agree on the others

voicey

Original Poster:

2,330 posts

133 months

Tuesday 8th May 2018
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Just a quick note to say I am now incorporating F430 price updates on my website: https://aldousvoice.com/2018/05/08/av-engineering-...

Purso

613 posts

48 months

Wednesday 9th May 2018
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Good news, I look forward to seeing that!!

Britcar driver

66 posts

44 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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Taaaaang said:
The thing you aren't getting is that there is no right car anymore.

Nobody wants them.
I bought a 4C recently, and really would have liked one with a manual. Its dual clutch transmission is fantastic, but if I could have ordered one with a stick shift I would have.

sparta6

1,351 posts

46 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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PantsFire said:
Many 911 GT3 owners would disagree with you.
+1
Porsche have been smart.

sparta6

1,351 posts

46 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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RamboLambo said:
Manuals will be for the collectors but will go out of fashion so be warned if you buy in at the peak
Picasso will go out of fashion too apparently wink

R33FAL

296 posts

114 months

Thursday 10th October
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Any updates to this? Hearing the market has been awful?

pritjh

26 posts

143 months

voicey said:
Just a quick note to say I am now incorporating F430 price updates on my website: https://aldousvoice.com/2018/05/08/av-engineering-...
Any update for 2019? I can't see anything on your website!

Thanks

red_slr

9,255 posts

135 months

I am still tracking RHD 355 prices FWIW.

RHD cars still averaging (for sale) price of £89-90k. That's been fairly static now for a few months.

What I will say is 3 things of note.

The cheapest RHD cars are now £70k. This is an increase this year as around this time last year you would see them for 5-10% less than that. The vast majority of cars are £80k +. So the bottom of the market is moving upwards but the top is coming down.

F1 vs Manual, not as much of a gap as there once was. Prices are starting to be similar - that said I am sure manuals will sell quicker? Who knows though.

There are fewer RHD cars for sale now than there have been in probably the last 2 years.

All that said, we are still a long way off the market peak back in 2016 when the average asking price was over £110k.

voicey

Original Poster:

2,330 posts

133 months

Saturday
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I'm really sorry but I simply do not have the time to continue with the market watch. I could never imagine how successful my workshop would become - we're absolutely flat out all of the time. It's not a bad thing but it does mean that I have to be careful how I spend my time and, unfortunately, some things have had to be trimmed back.

If you're in the market for a 360 or F430 then please feel free to drop Harvey a line - we have a good handle on where cars are actually trading and would be happy to spend a few minutes talking through the market with you FOC.

Steve7777

199 posts

95 months

Would you be willing to make your historical scrape data public? Is it scrapes from here or another classifieds site?

voicey

Original Poster:

2,330 posts

133 months

Yesterday (10:01)
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Steve7777 said:
Would you be willing to make your historical scrape data public? Is it scrapes from here or another classifieds site?
I would be open to giving the data to interested individuals with the proviso that any publication of analysis credited me accordingly. If you're interested please give me a PM and I'll dig out what I have.