Ferrari 458 Challenge - for road use.
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You would also need to change the steering rack, as the 458 Challenge is not able to navigate some junctions without a three point turn.
However, why compromise a good track car to put it on the road, other than for a bit of fun? The 458 Challenge can be a bit soft as is for track use, and if you really want to have some fun you would need to put the optional aero kit on the car, which would certainly not be road legal due to the carbon bits protruding, but would enhance the track use quite a bit.
Also bear in mind Challenge cars have no warrantee at all from new, and if you have bought one that has raced and the engine or gearbox goes pop its going to be much more expensive than a 458 Speciale!
If you did convert it to road use you would still need to take a van to the track to swap it to slicks, as that is really where the speed and cornering comes from, so you might as well just trailer it there and have some real track day fun!
However, why compromise a good track car to put it on the road, other than for a bit of fun? The 458 Challenge can be a bit soft as is for track use, and if you really want to have some fun you would need to put the optional aero kit on the car, which would certainly not be road legal due to the carbon bits protruding, but would enhance the track use quite a bit.
Also bear in mind Challenge cars have no warrantee at all from new, and if you have bought one that has raced and the engine or gearbox goes pop its going to be much more expensive than a 458 Speciale!
If you did convert it to road use you would still need to take a van to the track to swap it to slicks, as that is really where the speed and cornering comes from, so you might as well just trailer it there and have some real track day fun!
Maff said:
You would also need to change the steering rack, as the 458 Challenge is not able to navigate some junctions without a three point turn.
However, why compromise a good track car to put it on the road, other than for a bit of fun? The 458 Challenge can be a bit soft as is for track use, and if you really want to have some fun you would need to put the optional aero kit on the car, which would certainly not be road legal due to the carbon bits protruding, but would enhance the track use quite a bit.
Also bear in mind Challenge cars have no warrantee at all from new, and if you have bought one that has raced and the engine or gearbox goes pop its going to be much more expensive than a 458 Speciale!
If you did convert it to road use you would still need to take a van to the track to swap it to slicks, as that is really where the speed and cornering comes from, so you might as well just trailer it there and have some real track day fun!
yes all very fair points, maybe in the end I do need a trailer and tow car. However, why compromise a good track car to put it on the road, other than for a bit of fun? The 458 Challenge can be a bit soft as is for track use, and if you really want to have some fun you would need to put the optional aero kit on the car, which would certainly not be road legal due to the carbon bits protruding, but would enhance the track use quite a bit.
Also bear in mind Challenge cars have no warrantee at all from new, and if you have bought one that has raced and the engine or gearbox goes pop its going to be much more expensive than a 458 Speciale!
If you did convert it to road use you would still need to take a van to the track to swap it to slicks, as that is really where the speed and cornering comes from, so you might as well just trailer it there and have some real track day fun!
I feel the road cars are all a little too soft (plus a Speciale is just way too pricey for me) and taking a Scuderia and ripping everything out, putting a cage in etc makes it unsellable - which would hurt me at current prices.
Just spoke to a dealer in Germany and they also think it will be quite expensive - best guess 40-50k euros - but they have not done it yet (some other clients of theirs have though, so it is somehow possible)
MDL111 said:
Maff said:
You would also need to change the steering rack, as the 458 Challenge is not able to navigate some junctions without a three point turn.
However, why compromise a good track car to put it on the road, other than for a bit of fun? The 458 Challenge can be a bit soft as is for track use, and if you really want to have some fun you would need to put the optional aero kit on the car, which would certainly not be road legal due to the carbon bits protruding, but would enhance the track use quite a bit.
Also bear in mind Challenge cars have no warrantee at all from new, and if you have bought one that has raced and the engine or gearbox goes pop its going to be much more expensive than a 458 Speciale!
If you did convert it to road use you would still need to take a van to the track to swap it to slicks, as that is really where the speed and cornering comes from, so you might as well just trailer it there and have some real track day fun!
yes all very fair points, maybe in the end I do need a trailer and tow car. However, why compromise a good track car to put it on the road, other than for a bit of fun? The 458 Challenge can be a bit soft as is for track use, and if you really want to have some fun you would need to put the optional aero kit on the car, which would certainly not be road legal due to the carbon bits protruding, but would enhance the track use quite a bit.
Also bear in mind Challenge cars have no warrantee at all from new, and if you have bought one that has raced and the engine or gearbox goes pop its going to be much more expensive than a 458 Speciale!
If you did convert it to road use you would still need to take a van to the track to swap it to slicks, as that is really where the speed and cornering comes from, so you might as well just trailer it there and have some real track day fun!
I feel the road cars are all a little too soft (plus a Speciale is just way too pricey for me) and taking a Scuderia and ripping everything out, putting a cage in etc makes it unsellable - which would hurt me at current prices.
Just spoke to a dealer in Germany and they also think it will be quite expensive - best guess 40-50k euros - but they have not done it yet (some other clients of theirs have though, so it is somehow possible)
AmoCS said:
MDL111 said:
Maff said:
You would also need to change the steering rack, as the 458 Challenge is not able to navigate some junctions without a three point turn.
However, why compromise a good track car to put it on the road, other than for a bit of fun? The 458 Challenge can be a bit soft as is for track use, and if you really want to have some fun you would need to put the optional aero kit on the car, which would certainly not be road legal due to the carbon bits protruding, but would enhance the track use quite a bit.
Also bear in mind Challenge cars have no warrantee at all from new, and if you have bought one that has raced and the engine or gearbox goes pop its going to be much more expensive than a 458 Speciale!
If you did convert it to road use you would still need to take a van to the track to swap it to slicks, as that is really where the speed and cornering comes from, so you might as well just trailer it there and have some real track day fun!
yes all very fair points, maybe in the end I do need a trailer and tow car. However, why compromise a good track car to put it on the road, other than for a bit of fun? The 458 Challenge can be a bit soft as is for track use, and if you really want to have some fun you would need to put the optional aero kit on the car, which would certainly not be road legal due to the carbon bits protruding, but would enhance the track use quite a bit.
Also bear in mind Challenge cars have no warrantee at all from new, and if you have bought one that has raced and the engine or gearbox goes pop its going to be much more expensive than a 458 Speciale!
If you did convert it to road use you would still need to take a van to the track to swap it to slicks, as that is really where the speed and cornering comes from, so you might as well just trailer it there and have some real track day fun!
I feel the road cars are all a little too soft (plus a Speciale is just way too pricey for me) and taking a Scuderia and ripping everything out, putting a cage in etc makes it unsellable - which would hurt me at current prices.
Just spoke to a dealer in Germany and they also think it will be quite expensive - best guess 40-50k euros - but they have not done it yet (some other clients of theirs have though, so it is somehow possible)
AmoCS said:
I believe Ferrari also need to approve if a Challenge car can be made road legal.
I cannot imagine why - once a car is sold the manufacturer has little say in what owners do with them...The process is going to be broadly the same as that gone through for imports and kitcars - the vehicle needs to pass a Vehicle Inspection, the owner then applies for numberplates, pays VED and that's that!
Going into that 'blind' will be VERY expensive and time-consuming - talking to someone who's done it and knows what you can get away with, what must be removed and what needs adding/changing would save fortunes.
Note: there may be issues which don't relate to 'legality' which need to be addressed too - you might pass inspection in a car which is still largely undriveable due to steering issues or suspension/ride-height issues or unusable as it has no locks on the doors and so on but that inspection (a mega MOT, basically) is your first hurdle.
405dogvan said:
The process is going to be broadly the same as that gone through for imports and kitcars - the vehicle needs to pass a Vehicle Inspection, the owner then applies for numberplates, pays VED and that's that!
If you can prove it's over 10yo, then no need for an IVA, just MOT it. First 430 Challenges will be 10yo next year...
Not a challenge car but there were some road going 550LMs replicas. The look pretty cool IMO like Ferrari meets AMG Black Series
http://images.caradisiac.com/images/1/8/9/1/81891/...
http://images.caradisiac.com/images/1/8/9/1/81891/...
http://images.caradisiac.com/images/1/8/9/1/81891/...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYwMW5_wbK8
Easier and cheaper to run on the road than a 997 Cup car I'd wager. Easy because of the flappy paddle 'box and the Challenge cars retained aircon ? Cheaper because the Hollinger 'box in the 997 Cup car costs a lot to fix (like close to half the value of the early cars) if it should go bang .....
Does look fun (and intense) though ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWG6ZJ1vT8c
A 458 Challenge with the suspension raised and dampers/springs recalibrated for the road along with Cup tyres on 19-20" rims would be a hell of a fun road car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYwMW5_wbK8
Easier and cheaper to run on the road than a 997 Cup car I'd wager. Easy because of the flappy paddle 'box and the Challenge cars retained aircon ? Cheaper because the Hollinger 'box in the 997 Cup car costs a lot to fix (like close to half the value of the early cars) if it should go bang .....
Does look fun (and intense) though ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWG6ZJ1vT8c
A 458 Challenge with the suspension raised and dampers/springs recalibrated for the road along with Cup tyres on 19-20" rims would be a hell of a fun road car.
Edited by Slippydiff on Sunday 7th August 22:32
DB89 said:
sounds great, but a shame that helped us get barred from cliveden !Youtube threw this at me (Doug DeMuro drives an F430 Challenge on the road - it's fairly brutal!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4d1ozlN_Z8
I thought it needs to be in this thread ;0
On the "if it's over 10 years old it just needs an MOT" thing - I think you'd have a LOT of work getting an MOT, not as much as an IVA but still quite a bit!!
Then there's the fact you'd need your head examined to drive it on the road obv. - there's more missing than present...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4d1ozlN_Z8
I thought it needs to be in this thread ;0
On the "if it's over 10 years old it just needs an MOT" thing - I think you'd have a LOT of work getting an MOT, not as much as an IVA but still quite a bit!!
Then there's the fact you'd need your head examined to drive it on the road obv. - there's more missing than present...
405dogvan said:
Youtube threw this at me (Doug DeMuro drives an F430 Challenge on the road - it's fairly brutal!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4d1ozlN_Z8
I thought it needs to be in this thread ;0
On the "if it's over 10 years old it just needs an MOT" thing - I think you'd have a LOT of work getting an MOT, not as much as an IVA but still quite a bit!!
Then there's the fact you'd need your head examined to drive it on the road obv. - there's more missing than present...
Excellent, thanks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4d1ozlN_Z8
I thought it needs to be in this thread ;0
On the "if it's over 10 years old it just needs an MOT" thing - I think you'd have a LOT of work getting an MOT, not as much as an IVA but still quite a bit!!
Then there's the fact you'd need your head examined to drive it on the road obv. - there's more missing than present...
405dogvan said:
Youtube threw this at me (Doug DeMuro drives an F430 Challenge on the road - it's fairly brutal!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4d1ozlN_Z8
I thought it needs to be in this thread ;0
On the "if it's over 10 years old it just needs an MOT" thing - I think you'd have a LOT of work getting an MOT, not as much as an IVA but still quite a bit!!
Then there's the fact you'd need your head examined to drive it on the road obv. - there's more missing than present...
"Like sitting in the back of a UPS truck" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4d1ozlN_Z8
I thought it needs to be in this thread ;0
On the "if it's over 10 years old it just needs an MOT" thing - I think you'd have a LOT of work getting an MOT, not as much as an IVA but still quite a bit!!
Then there's the fact you'd need your head examined to drive it on the road obv. - there's more missing than present...
yep - even the PMFC spec 308 was harsh on the road. Not all women were happy clambering in and out
I have a friend who has made his Gallardo GT3 race car road legal and he described the process as, "a piece of piss." I think a lot of people over estimate how much effort and money is required. Plastic windows can be legal, aggressive aero can be legal (I think legal limit is 3mm or something but lol at the idea of molded carbon ever exceeding that) etc etc.
It'll be stupendously uncomfortable but it will be bloody brilliant
It'll be stupendously uncomfortable but it will be bloody brilliant
andrewcliffe said:
As said, once a car is over 10 years old, it doesn't need IVA, just MoT, insurance and proof of when it was built - some owners clubs issue dating certificates and the DVLA recognise their authority in the matter.
Would an owners club play ball on a car that had no official production line build date? What's Ferrari UK's view on this? Does anyone know?I have experience in converting this to Road use have a challenge 4:30 when Taken 2 vehicle inspection it did not pass inspection on over 200 individual points the important ones to know car emissions, safety, parking brake, crumplezone, Aida steering wheel is fixed and does not collapse in an accident as well as a number of issues with injury hitting the roll cage without a helmet if you want to give me a call or drop me an e-mail happy to go through what's necessary can be reached on 07770836706
I have experience in converting this to Road use have a challenge 4:30 when Taken 2 vehicle inspection it did not pass inspection on over 200 individual points the important ones to know car emissions, safety, parking brake, crumplezone, Aida steering wheel is fixed and does not collapse in an accident as well as a number of issues with injury hitting the roll cage without a helmet if you want to give me a call or drop me an e-mail happy to go through what's necessary can be reached on 07770836706
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