LCC Rocket prices?

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Rocket.

1,429 posts

229 months

Friday 27th November 2020
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My old car Chassis RO18 which was actually originally built as a track car for the Rocket Euroseries which sadly never happened.











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Alipapa

8 posts

24 months

Saturday 28th November 2020
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Finally got the book. The first cheaper about the experience of driving the Rocket is great!

very nice book and hopefully I will get a chance to buy a Rocket

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

176 months

Sunday 13th December 2020
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https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1994-brooke-19...

A little bit different but a little bit the same. A rare Brooke is coming up for sale soon.

GetCarter

28,414 posts

259 months

Wednesday 16th December 2020
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Knew I'd seen this one before:



I hope Chris is doing okay.

Edited by GetCarter on Wednesday 16th December 14:15

MrVert

4,234 posts

219 months

Wednesday 16th December 2020
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1994-brooke-19...

A little bit different but a little bit the same. A rare Brooke is coming up for sale soon.
What do those in the know think that’ll end up at?

minimalist

1,411 posts

185 months

Thursday 17th December 2020
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MrVert said:
What do those in the know think that’ll end up at?
A red Brooke Double RR pops up for sale on here every now and again at around £32k and hangs around for a long time. I'm never sure if sold or withdrawn. It's always the same car (with the same or similar photos). This being a 190, I expect it is worth a bit less but the history and upgrades could make it a bit more.

I always think it looks like an interesting car.


Edited as I realised it is definitely not the same car I've seen before.

Edited by minimalist on Thursday 17th December 14:02

will_

6,015 posts

183 months

Thursday 17th December 2020
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minimalist said:
MrVert said:
What do those in the know think that’ll end up at?
A red Brooke Double RR pops up for sale on here every now and again at around £32k and hangs around for a long time. I'm never sure if sold or withdrawn. It's always the same car (with the same or similar photos). This being a 190, I expect it is worth a bit less but the history and upgrades could make it a bit more.

I always think it looks like an interesting car.


Edited as I realised it is definitely not the same car I've seen before.

Edited by minimalist on Thursday 17th December 14:02
£20k if these are anything to go by:
https://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2020-0...

https://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2016-0...

Looks like it's barely done 100 miles in four years since the current vendor bought it.

carspath

783 posts

157 months

Thursday 17th December 2020
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Re the Red Brooke 260 RR ...... that was my car for almost 9 years .

It was the Brooke prototype car that was tested by all the mags .

I was it’s first private owner and bought it dorectly from Brooke in 2007 , but had to wait until 2008 for delivery as it was the only car they had and they needed it for promotional purposes .

Before I took delivery , I asked Brooke to strip it down completely , refurbish the suspension , change the clutch , fit a secondary cooling system so that I could use it in Southern Europe in the summer , and had the body repainted .

I have see it all over the continent .. and it was a joyous thing when it worked .

It’s acceleration and braking was phenomenal... the perception prob heightened by the lack of a windscreen

It was not an entirely trouble free experience , but after thousands of miles it left my hands in pretty immaculate condition .

The only reason that I sold it was to get a KTM X BOW R ( Google. 9781787114333 for a photo ) .. an entirely different experience in some ways , but very similar in others .

There is something v special about lightweight windscreenless cars
In many ways they give an adrenaline shot that conventional wide supercars find difficult to deliver in the real world

The poor Brook then went on to 2 other owners , who may have been less than kind to it , but happily it is now back in the hands of a real enthusiast who is spending loads of time and money restoring it .
I think that it will be back to better than new by the time he has finished restoring it .

will_

6,015 posts

183 months

Thursday 17th December 2020
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carspath said:
The poor Brook then went on to 2 other owners , who may have been less than kind to it , but happily it is now back in the hands of a real enthusiast who is spending loads of time and money restoring it .
I think that it will be back to better than new by the time he has finished restoring it .
Well it looks like he's flogging it:
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1994-brooke-19...

minimalist

1,411 posts

185 months

Thursday 17th December 2020
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will_ said:
carspath said:
The poor Brook then went on to 2 other owners , who may have been less than kind to it , but happily it is now back in the hands of a real enthusiast who is spending loads of time and money restoring it .
I think that it will be back to better than new by the time he has finished restoring it .
Well it looks like he's flogging it:
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1994-brooke-19...
A different car. Carspath is referring to a higher spec Double R. smile

will_

6,015 posts

183 months

Thursday 17th December 2020
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minimalist said:
will_ said:
carspath said:
The poor Brook then went on to 2 other owners , who may have been less than kind to it , but happily it is now back in the hands of a real enthusiast who is spending loads of time and money restoring it .
I think that it will be back to better than new by the time he has finished restoring it .
Well it looks like he's flogging it:
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1994-brooke-19...
A different car. Carspath is referring to a higher spec Double R. smile
Thank you for clarifying!

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

176 months

Friday 18th December 2020
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will_ said:
minimalist said:
will_ said:
carspath said:
The poor Brook then went on to 2 other owners , who may have been less than kind to it , but happily it is now back in the hands of a real enthusiast who is spending loads of time and money restoring it .
I think that it will be back to better than new by the time he has finished restoring it .
Well it looks like he's flogging it:
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1994-brooke-19...
A different car. Carspath is referring to a higher spec Double R. smile
Thank you for clarifying!
I thought carspath's car was the CC one? Used to be silver, now red and the only one on a Q plate.

I suspect it'll be the Q plate that hurts it's value the most.

carspath

783 posts

157 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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Hi everyone .

Yes my old car - also red - was the prototype RR car , which is quite different to the Toby Sutton ( the original designer of the Brooke ) car currently being auctioned on CC .

My RR had a N/A 2.3 litre Cosworth-Duratec engine with 260 bhp and 200 lb-ft torque in a car that weighed less than 600 Kg .

It was the one car in which I felt I could out-accelerate anything ( it couldn't , but when you were driving it , it felt it could ) .
And it was gloriously raw ( you felt every vibration -- no magic carpet Woking ride on offer here -- thank god ) , and very loud , with honest-to-god pops and crackles from idle to 7600 rpm - no electrotrickery here .
It also had a right-hand gearchange .

That particular car had one party trick -- on the continent ( of course ) it would spin its rear tyres in the dry , in 5th gear , at about 135 .
The first time that happened was very unnerving .
It always did it that at that sort of rpm/ speed ( I cant be more precise because my attention was always elsewhere ) , and then regained traction even as you continued to accelerate .

Apparently the torque delivery on that test car was skewed on purpose by Brooke -- for the benefit of the magazine reviewers , and acceleration times

I suspect a simple remap would have made the torque curve less peaky , but the only people I would have trusted to do it was Cosworth .
They were happy to do it , but wanted about £2k as it was a one -off job .
As I hardly ever ventured up to those rpm levels in 5th gear , the remap was never done .

Cosworth were happy for me to be present throughout the remap and road-test of the RR ( estimated to take 2-3 days with a specialist software engineer and a specialist mechanic - so you can see why it was going to cost £2k) , and talk me through their work , and I do regret missing out on that .
Cosworth came across as a totally focussed company .



I've never driven a Rocket , but have often wondered about the following :

1) 200 Kg less - but with such a low weight are there accompanying disadvantages ?

2) The ? 11,000rpm rev limit must be a real buzz ?

3) How reliable are Rockets ?

4) The Brooke was surprisingly comfortable - on one occasion we drove it 600 miles in one day - and although we were tired we were not battered .
The RR windscreen is much lower than the windscreen of the car currently advertised on CC , but was very effective .
( The weakest point of the KTM X-BOW RR is the in-cockpit turbulence - KTM might as well have left off the vestigial wind-deflector that they and Dallara had spent a fortune on developing )
How much turbulence is there in the Rocket's cockpit ?

Edited by carspath on Saturday 19th December 14:53


Edited by carspath on Saturday 19th December 15:21

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

176 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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Great info carspath. The Brooke has always been on my radar since it's mid 00s revival. I'd love to try one, as an ownership prospect I suspect it would be harder than a Caterham where parts are concerned etc.

CarreraLightweightRacing

1,998 posts

189 months

Sunday 20th December 2020
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I looked into buying one a year or so back. It was £130k from memory. No idea how that related to the current market price

carspath

783 posts

157 months

Sunday 20th December 2020
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Hi Laurasotherhalf = You've nailed one of my biggest concerns .

The Brooke company ceased trading somtime around 2011 , and the bodyshell of the RR is made up of 3 large bespoke fibreglass parts .

My ex-car was even more of a concern because its bodyshell was different to all the other RR's produced

And the RR uses a bespoke item to marry the output shaft of the Cosworth engine to the Renault gearbox .

Many other smaller mechanical items were also specially made for the RR - so finding them 10 years after production ceased could be an issue .

I think that you would really enjoy driving the RR - but it does require a slightly mad mindset .

I used it as a road car , and tried to convince Brooke to make subsequent production cars more 'touring friendly '

I even designed and built a detachable box=like luggage carrier which attached to the Roll over hoops and the spaceframe chassis without in anyway affecting the car;s looks when it was detached .

I spent hours and hours thinking and planning and working on that car ….. I still miss it a lot .
I planned to write a book on it , but that never came about as I was too busy , and then the company went bust .
That had to wait for its successor car - Google : 9781787114333 - another labour of love .

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

176 months

Sunday 20th December 2020
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As much as I love the X-Bow, the engine just doesn't fit in with the ethos of it to my mind. It's the same as the Caterham Supersprint, I love the lightweight ethos of it but why they foisted the turbo-charged triple on it I'll never know.

carspath

783 posts

157 months

Sunday 20th December 2020
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Yes , I agree ...... the fact it was turbo charged was a drawback for me too .

What do you mean by triple ?

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

176 months

Sunday 20th December 2020
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carspath said:
Yes , I agree ...... the fact it was turbo charged was a drawback for me too .

What do you mean by triple ?
Sorry the Caterham Supersprint, it has the Suzuki 3 cyl turbo engine in it.

carspath

783 posts

157 months

Sunday 20th December 2020
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Hi again -- if you are seriously in the market for this sort of car so get a test drive in an X-BOW .
It is so solid - nothing like a Brooke , or Caterham etc .

The first time I got in one , it reminded me of a W124 Merc - in all the best ways .

And you have direct contact with the factory - in the same way you prob did with Lambo in the 1970's and Ferrari in the 1960's

The 4 cyl Audi turbo engine is very effective , but it doesnt rev to high heaven which is a drawback