BOE signals interest rises...car bubble to burst??

BOE signals interest rises...car bubble to burst??

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TP321

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1,478 posts

198 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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BOE has signalled that interest rates will rise in the next few months. It may be a difficult winter for those trying to sell "bubble" priced cars..I wonder if we will start seeing some serious price reductions over the coming months, over and above the usual winter softening.

Drclarke

1,185 posts

173 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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YAWN! Yet another discussion on b***dy values!!!!!! There is more talk of 'Bubbles' on here than the official Michael Jackson's Monkey website.

Doesn't anyone buy the cars to enjoy anymore????

Edited by Drclarke on Thursday 14th September 16:27

RamboLambo

4,843 posts

170 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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I'm forever blowing bubbles, pretty bubbles in the air ......

Algarve

2,102 posts

81 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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Drclarke said:
YAWN! Yet another discussion on b***dy values!!!!!! There is more talk of 'Bubbles' on here than the official Michael Jackson's Monkey website.

Doesn't anyone buy the cars to enjoy anymore????

Edited by Drclarke on Thursday 14th September 16:27
No we do, but some of us don't have access to daddies money or have millions of spare £ floating around. So a brutal hit on depreciation on the current car might impact what I can afford to drive next.

Its a valid topic I think... if you don't care about it then its easy to ignore smile

Drclarke

1,185 posts

173 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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Yes and I understand that, but does this forum really need yet another thread on values / crystal balling / bubbles.

Their is a business and investment thread elsewhere on this site for those who haven't the stomach for depreciation.

Yipper

5,964 posts

90 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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Carney has gotta be one of the worst BoE governors of modern times. He has a very bad track record of getting predictions wrong, like Brexit.

He's obviously trying to talk down inflation. But real-world inflation is already running at 3-5% and has been for months. Prices in supermarkets have been rocketing all year. Better late than never...

The swaps market this evening is pricing in a 50% chance of a 0.25% rate rise by Nov, and 95% chance by Feb... So, it does look highly likely a small rise is coming.

Unlikely to massively affect people with loans (most are now fixed-rates), but it will have a psychological affect of slightly dampening demand for everything. Not entirely unexpected, as people are sitting on their hands ahead of Brexit, anyway.

Camlet

1,132 posts

149 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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Yes, and no.

Yes, where someone has purchased a good but not exceptional car, using borrowed money, for the purposes of selling at some point in the future at a profit. This has ''ooops'' written all over it.

No, where someone purchased an exceptional car and even if finance was involved, has sensibly paid down the all or most of the debt. An exceptional car will always find eager buyers, and if debt to value is low, the owner can play the long game if a market tanks, and enjoy driving the lovely car too!

As for the BoE rate rise, I would spend much more time focused on what's coming down the line. A necessary, inevitable and exceptionally brutal hard Brexit.

sparta6

3,698 posts

100 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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Algarve said:
No we do, but some of us don't have access to daddies money or have millions of spare £ floating around.
You forget to mention those who sacrifice other things in order to buy the car of their desires wink

magnum555

473 posts

159 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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Camlet said:
I would spend much more time focused on what's coming down the line. A necessary, inevitable and exceptionally brutal hard Brexit.
In what way do you think it will be brutal?

Kyodo

730 posts

124 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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The bubble (if indeed we're in one) won't burst with an interest rate of 0.25% or whatever they're talking about.

mike01606

531 posts

149 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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I hope it does burst. My next cost to change with drop significantly......thumbup

nutbehinddawheel

344 posts

196 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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TP321 said:
BOE has signalled that interest rates will rise in the next few months. It may be a difficult winter for those trying to sell "bubble" priced cars..I wonder if we will start seeing some serious price reductions over the coming months, over and above the usual winter softening.
A 0.25% increase only takes us back to the previous rate.
Futher 0.25% increases will nibble at, but not immediately impact the pocket.
I think events in 2019 may have more bearing. aka Brexit & Co

sparta6

3,698 posts

100 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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Kyodo said:
The bubble (if indeed we're in one) won't burst with an interest rate of 0.25% or whatever they're talking about.
+1

15% would do it.



RamboLambo

4,843 posts

170 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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sparta6 said:
+1

15% would do it.
At 15% the whole country would be Donald Ducked with the amount of borrowing we have.
Talk about a generation living beyond their means. Kids with big mortgages and flash cars on PCP would not stand a chance.

sparta6

3,698 posts

100 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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RamboLambo said:
At 15% the whole country would be Donald Ducked with the amount of borrowing we have.
Talk about a generation living beyond their means. Kids with big mortgages and flash cars on PCP would not stand a chance.
And therein lays a fundamental flaw. Wouldn't be a bad idea to flush away some of the easy lending. UK adopted a flawed US system.
Nobody is automatically entitled to anything. Tough love and all that smile

garystoybox

777 posts

117 months

Saturday 16th September 2017
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sparta6 said:
RamboLambo said:
At 15% the whole country would be Donald Ducked with the amount of borrowing we have.
Talk about a generation living beyond their means. Kids with big mortgages and flash cars on PCP would not stand a chance.
And therein lays a fundamental flaw. Wouldn't be a bad idea to flush away some of the easy lending. UK adopted a flawed US system.
Nobody is automatically entitled to anything. Tough love and all that smile
100% agree. The use of the word 'entitled' is accurate. Everybody thinks they have the right to this, that and the other, regardless of age, experience, earnings, etc. Not living in the real world! E.g. My cleaner, probably on minimum wage, turned up last week in a new BMW 140M!

TP321

Original Poster:

1,478 posts

198 months

Saturday 16th September 2017
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garystoybox said:
100% agree. The use of the word 'entitled' is accurate. Everybody thinks they have the right to this, that and the other, regardless of age, experience, earnings, etc. Not living in the real world! E.g. My cleaner, probably on minimum wage, turned up last week in a new BMW 140M!
It's all on Contract Hire. But inevitable as cars become more complicated and computer driven, and cannot be fixed outside the main dealer network, people will simply rent brand new ones with 3 year warranties.

Chrism355

102 posts

160 months

Saturday 16th September 2017
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garystoybox said:
100% agree. The use of the word 'entitled' is accurate. Everybody thinks they have the right to this, that and the other, regardless of age, experience, earnings, etc. Not living in the real world! E.g. My cleaner, probably on minimum wage, turned up last week in a new BMW 140M!
Perhaps you should consider paying your cleaner more than minimum wage, then she could afford a higher standard of living without getting into debt

garystoybox

777 posts

117 months

Saturday 16th September 2017
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Chrism355 said:
garystoybox said:
100% agree. The use of the word 'entitled' is accurate. Everybody thinks they have the right to this, that and the other, regardless of age, experience, earnings, etc. Not living in the real world! E.g. My cleaner, probably on minimum wage, turned up last week in a new BMW 140M!
Perhaps you should consider paying your cleaner more than minimum wage, then she could afford a higher standard of living without getting into debt
Actually, i believe a higher salary would just give her more income to spend on additional debt to service. Not for a minute would it be more money to save or pay off exisiting debt. Buy now definately pay later! Hence, i'm actually doing her a favour with the minimum wage......

R36vw

451 posts

146 months

Sunday 17th September 2017
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In the pcp market maybe. However the dealers will fight tooth and nad nail to keep this down to keep sales up. In classic sales beyond main dealer sales, most of this has been cash. So no change. What may affect is an interest rate of 6-10% on investers. This is not happening soon