Rusty Mclaren 570s

[bordseye]

isaldiri said:

Nope, for the standard production cars there are no cf panels unless you fork out for stuff like front wings/bonnet etc, only the chassis is cf. panels are aluminium or fibreglass. The P1 and the rear half of the 675s are cf body panels though fwiw.

Interesting - didnt know that. Doesnt alter what I said though. Makes the osmosis more likely if the panel is GRP. The Lotus suffers from the same sort of issue as indeed do many boats.

[tuffer]

I went on a test day with a 570GT and was less than impressed with the build quality, rear hatch appeared to be leaking with water marks all over the interior, drivers seat leather showing sagging and stretch marks after only a couple of hundred miles, paint on front spoiler was bloody awful. It was enough to put me off moving forward, this just confirms my fears.

[RamboLambo]

I commented on another thread I've seen it on one other car a 12C but obviously 1 photo on the internet makes it an epidemic. Not good or acceptable but easily fixed. I can assure you its the exception to the rule
Someone was trying to compare the build quality to a Ferrari 360 and I laughed so hard I fell off my seat and have only just got back up again

[dang2407]

Sounds about right, my 16 year old 360 had corrosion spots on 2 ali panels...

[Yipper]

RamboLambo said:

I commented on another thread I've seen it on one other car a 12C but obviously 1 photo on the internet makes it an epidemic. Not good or acceptable but easily fixed. I can assure you its the exception to the rule
Someone was trying to compare the build quality to a Ferrari 360 and I laughed so hard I fell off my seat and have only just got back up again

There are quite a few posts about 570S bubbling on the McLaren forums.

http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-570s/600...

[RamboLambo]

I'm always a bit wary of build quality on new models especially early ones and must admit the 570S does not feel anywhere as good as the 650S.

I kind of expect it a bit on my old F355, it kind of goes with the territory but new modern day cars should be spot on

[likesachange]

I wouldn't really class it as build quality as such.

More poor prep, the prep of a McLaren for paint wouldn't be much different to a VW. Any car has to be completely free of contaminants.

Hopefully they will investigate this and put a stop to it, as well as offer you a 570s while yours gets a full respray

Best of luck with it

[willga]

Hi Chris - did your McLaren have Paint Protection Film on?

[Ferruccio]

No excuse for such lousy build quality.
Even Lamborghini, when they were hand built by Italians, got the aluminium bodywork on the Countach right and that was in the 70s and 80s.

[Chris355]

willga said:

Hi Chris - did your McLaren have Paint Protection Film on?

The car was a friend of mines. I would be pretty upset if I owned it. I don’t think it has ppf but I would have to double check.

Reality is a lot of cars will get some corrosion at some point, but at only one year old it is completely unacceptable. This Mclaren is far from the only M that has this problem.

[The Surveyor]

Ferruccio said:

No excuse for such lousy build quality.
Even Lamborghini, when they were hand built by Italians, got the aluminium bodywork on the Countach right and that was in the 70s and 80s.

It must be a British thing, Aston Martin had horrendous problems with paint bubbling on their aluminium skinned cars, again on equally new cars.

Really poor on a McLaren especially when the extra effort needed on aluminium panels is hardly something new.

OP, keep us updated on how McLaren respond on your mates car.

[v12v8]

I'm not sure who supplies the aluminium to McLaren - could it be Kobe?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/wall-stre...

I have PPF on mine and I'm not aware of any bubbling. That being said it has just gone in for its first service (at 8 months old) so will see if anything transpires.

[Akajak]

same problem I had a few years ago on a 430 Spider aluminium bubbles on wing; had F car warranty but wasn't covered :-(

[will_]

That is pretty shocking for a very new car - any evidence of this on early MP4 12Cs?

[RamboLambo]

will_ said:

That is pretty shocking for a very new car - any evidence of this on early MP4 12Cs?

Think it was more common back then on early MP4 12C and I certainly saw a few. Haven't seen anything since or for ages until this isolated 570S came up

[RevsPerMinute]

Aluminium corrosion. I cant see how PPF or wax would prevent this. More likely poor surface preparation prior to original etch priming. Not uncommon but certainly surprising on a car so young.

[willga]

The reason I asked about PPF is whether the dealer would cover the re-application of the film under warranty - McLaren Birmingham describe it as an 'aftermarket addition' and would therefore not cover the £500-£1000 cost to reapply a panel.

The bubbles are likely a result of imperfect surface preparation, someone touching the panel with bare fingers before painting, or even someone in the paintshop wearing silicone-based cosmetics.
Astons seem to get the corrosion issues all the time, and I guess it goes with the territory of small-volume British sportscar manufacturers - Ferrari are pushing out more than 3 times as many units as McLaren, making quality control easier and more cost-effective.

But personally, I'll gladly put up with the odd hiccup for the charm, individuality, and capability over their continental rivals - as long as it's covered under warranty.

[bordseye]

Ferruccio said:

No excuse for such lousy build quality.
Even Lamborghini, when they were hand built by Italians, got the aluminium bodywork on the Countach right and that was in the 70s and 80s.

That was before the EU banned the use of etch primers and forced the use of water based paints.

Even bird st used to dissolve the roof paint on my last BMW.

[Ferruccio]

bordseye said:

Ferruccio said:

No excuse for such lousy build quality.
Even Lamborghini, when they were hand built by Italians, got the aluminium bodywork on the Countach right and that was in the 70s and 80s.

That was before the EU banned the use of etch primers and forced the use of water based paints.

Even bird st used to dissolve the roof paint on my last BMW.

I just knew it would be the EU’s fault.

[WCZ]

I don't see how it's the EU's fault, not every manufacturer has paint issues - Rolls Royce for example!