Definition of a supercar
Discussion
Nano2nd said:
they are not all really running costs, the only real running costs are the service and tyres, that looks like a major service as an oil service is fixed price at £485.
for comparison I've had mine for just under a year and had: an oil service, aircon service and brake fluid change for just over £700 all in.
Well I think they are supercar prices when it comes to clutches, just had mine done the release bearing on its own was £499 iircfor comparison I've had mine for just under a year and had: an oil service, aircon service and brake fluid change for just over £700 all in.
Edited by Nano2nd on Monday 4th February 15:10
colinrob said:
Well I think they are supercar prices when it comes to clutches, just had mine done the release bearing on its own was £499 iirc
Out of interest how much for a clutch fitted? V8 or v10?I was quoted £3.5k for an a.c. compressor and similar for clutch on a v8 manual due to engine out etc.
200Plus Club said:
Out of interest how much for a clutch fitted? V8 or v10?
I was quoted £3.5k for an a.c. compressor and similar for clutch on a v8 manual due to engine out etc.
Some Indi's can do the compressor without removing the engine now. I take mine to The Phirm in Surrey & they can do it for about half what you quoted. I was quoted £3.5k for an a.c. compressor and similar for clutch on a v8 manual due to engine out etc.
Thread bump!
Just enjoyed reading through this thread, great to read everyone's opinions on what is such a subjective topic.
For me a supercar was always a performance orientated car that is unobtainable for the masses. But how to quantify that?
This is my checklist (all in the name of fun, feel free to disgree!)
- No more than 2 seats
- Engine located behind the driver
- Costs more than 5x the average salary when new (average salary in the UK is £29k, which means the car has to cost at least £145,000)
On that basis an Audi R8 (cost from £125k) isn't a supercar but a Lamborghini Huracan (cost from £155k) is a super car.
Just enjoyed reading through this thread, great to read everyone's opinions on what is such a subjective topic.
For me a supercar was always a performance orientated car that is unobtainable for the masses. But how to quantify that?
This is my checklist (all in the name of fun, feel free to disgree!)
- No more than 2 seats
- Engine located behind the driver
- Costs more than 5x the average salary when new (average salary in the UK is £29k, which means the car has to cost at least £145,000)
On that basis an Audi R8 (cost from £125k) isn't a supercar but a Lamborghini Huracan (cost from £155k) is a super car.
CaptainSensib1e said:
Thread bump!
Just enjoyed reading through this thread, great to read everyone's opinions on what is such a subjective topic.
For me a supercar was always a performance orientated car that is unobtainable for the masses. But how to quantify that?
This is my checklist (all in the name of fun, feel free to disgree!)
- No more than 2 seats
- Engine located behind the driver
- Costs more than 5x the average salary when new (average salary in the UK is £29k, which means the car has to cost at least £145,000)
On that basis an Audi R8 (cost from £125k) isn't a supercar but a Lamborghini Huracan (cost from £155k) is a super car.
So an F1 isn't a supercar!? Just enjoyed reading through this thread, great to read everyone's opinions on what is such a subjective topic.
For me a supercar was always a performance orientated car that is unobtainable for the masses. But how to quantify that?
This is my checklist (all in the name of fun, feel free to disgree!)
- No more than 2 seats
- Engine located behind the driver
- Costs more than 5x the average salary when new (average salary in the UK is £29k, which means the car has to cost at least £145,000)
On that basis an Audi R8 (cost from £125k) isn't a supercar but a Lamborghini Huracan (cost from £155k) is a super car.
Honda Accord has a quicker 0-60 time than a Muira, as per www.zeroto60times.com...
CaptainSensib1e said:
Thread bump!
Just enjoyed reading through this thread, great to read everyone's opinions on what is such a subjective topic.
For me a supercar was always a performance orientated car that is unobtainable for the masses. But how to quantify that?
This is my checklist (all in the name of fun, feel free to disgree!)
- No more than 2 seats
- Engine located behind the driver
- Costs more than 5x the average salary when new (average salary in the UK is £29k, which means the car has to cost at least £145,000)
On that basis an Audi R8 (cost from £125k) isn't a supercar but a Lamborghini Huracan (cost from £155k) is a super car.
Every front engined V12 Ferrari. Just enjoyed reading through this thread, great to read everyone's opinions on what is such a subjective topic.
For me a supercar was always a performance orientated car that is unobtainable for the masses. But how to quantify that?
This is my checklist (all in the name of fun, feel free to disgree!)
- No more than 2 seats
- Engine located behind the driver
- Costs more than 5x the average salary when new (average salary in the UK is £29k, which means the car has to cost at least £145,000)
On that basis an Audi R8 (cost from £125k) isn't a supercar but a Lamborghini Huracan (cost from £155k) is a super car.
Also pricing is subjective to when it was built and sold new. A 250 GTO was $18,000 in the States when new and if any car was ever a supercar, that's it. Front engined V12 too.
To be fair the term 'Supercar' doesn't really do it justice. What a thing, I'm feeling all improper just looking at a still photo of one.
_Leg_ said:
Every front engined V12 Ferrari.
Also pricing is subjective to when it was built and sold new. A 250 GTO was $18,000 in the States when new and if any car was ever a supercar, that's it. Front engined V12 too.
To be fair the term 'Supercar' doesn't really do it justice. What a thing, I'm feeling all improper just looking at a still photo of one.
Lovely.Also pricing is subjective to when it was built and sold new. A 250 GTO was $18,000 in the States when new and if any car was ever a supercar, that's it. Front engined V12 too.
To be fair the term 'Supercar' doesn't really do it justice. What a thing, I'm feeling all improper just looking at a still photo of one.
Designed and built before EU regs etc etc etc.
It was a free world then, especially if you had $18K
Durzel said:
Quite a few obvious supercars would've been less than £145,000 new. Is that adjusted for inflation?
Yes, 5x times whatever the average wage was when the car was new!That GTO is stunning. To be fair it was designed before road cars were built in a mid-engined configuration. So perhaps my definaition is wrong as it would automatically exclude anything made before the mid-60s.
EDIT:
From wikipedia:
The Ferrari 250 GTO is a GT car produced by Ferrari from 1962 to 1964 for homologation into the FIA's Group 3 Grand Touring Car category
So it's a Grand Tourer rather than a super car
CaptainSensib1e said:
Durzel said:
Quite a few obvious supercars would've been less than £145,000 new. Is that adjusted for inflation?
Yes, 5x times whatever the average wage was when the car was new!That GTO is stunning. To be fair it was designed before road cars were built in a mid-engined configuration. So perhaps my definaition is wrong as it would automatically exclude anything made before the mid-60s.
EDIT:
From wikipedia:
The Ferrari 250 GTO is a GT car produced by Ferrari from 1962 to 1964 for homologation into the FIA's Group 3 Grand Touring Car category
So it's a Grand Tourer rather than a super car
d. I wouldn’t have it any other way. :-)It’s all semantics though and the tone of the thread is clearly lighthearted. As we the ‘pistonheads’ of this world come under more and more attacks I propose that all cars that aren’t boring Euro or Jap boxes are super cars and we, the drivers, unite. No longer shall an R8 be scorned in the supercar forums, no more shall the Boxster driver be asked for a short back and sides, welcome to the chavved up Saxo, come hither and share our bread I say to the dropped Nissan with an exhaust you could hide a mini in. Come all, unite, scorn the Prius, show your arse to the environmentalists, flip the bird to the speed restricters and waggle your waggly bits in the general direction of the autonomous car brigade for we are the Pistonheads and we shall not leave with a whimper but with a crescendos of internal combustion.
It’s my birthday and I’m in the hot tub with a bottle of gin. ;-)
CaptainSensib1e said:
Thread bump!
Just enjoyed reading through this thread, great to read everyone's opinions on what is such a subjective topic.
For me a supercar was always a performance orientated car that is unobtainable for the masses. But how to quantify that?
This is my checklist (all in the name of fun, feel free to disgree!)
- No more than 2 seats
- Engine located behind the driver
- Costs more than 5x the average salary when new (average salary in the UK is £29k, which means the car has to cost at least £145,000)
On that basis an Audi R8 (cost from £125k) isn't a supercar but a Lamborghini Huracan (cost from £155k) is a super car.
so your saying a McLaren 540c isn't a supercar but a £147k R8 Spyder v10 Performance is?Just enjoyed reading through this thread, great to read everyone's opinions on what is such a subjective topic.
For me a supercar was always a performance orientated car that is unobtainable for the masses. But how to quantify that?
This is my checklist (all in the name of fun, feel free to disgree!)
- No more than 2 seats
- Engine located behind the driver
- Costs more than 5x the average salary when new (average salary in the UK is £29k, which means the car has to cost at least £145,000)
On that basis an Audi R8 (cost from £125k) isn't a supercar but a Lamborghini Huracan (cost from £155k) is a super car.
_Leg_ said:
Tbf an F12 could be described as a GT. It could also be described as a Supercar. Both would be wrong. It should be described as a murderous bd. I wouldn’t have it any other way. :-)
It’s all semantics though and the tone of the thread is clearly lighthearted. As we the ‘pistonheads’ of this world come under more and more attacks I propose that all cars that aren’t boring Euro or Jap boxes are super cars and we, the drivers, unite. No longer shall an R8 be scorned in the supercar forums, no more shall the Boxster driver be asked for a short back and sides, welcome to the chavved up Saxo, come hither and share our bread I say to the dropped Nissan with an exhaust you could hide a mini in. Come all, unite, scorn the Prius, show your arse to the environmentalists, flip the bird to the speed restricters and waggle your waggly bits in the general direction of the autonomous car brigade for we are the Pistonheads and we shall not leave with a whimper but with a crescendos of internal combustion.
It’s my birthday and I’m in the hot tub with a bottle of gin. ;-)
Whole-heartedly agree and could not have put it better myself. And that's not just because I own an R8.d. I wouldn’t have it any other way. :-)It’s all semantics though and the tone of the thread is clearly lighthearted. As we the ‘pistonheads’ of this world come under more and more attacks I propose that all cars that aren’t boring Euro or Jap boxes are super cars and we, the drivers, unite. No longer shall an R8 be scorned in the supercar forums, no more shall the Boxster driver be asked for a short back and sides, welcome to the chavved up Saxo, come hither and share our bread I say to the dropped Nissan with an exhaust you could hide a mini in. Come all, unite, scorn the Prius, show your arse to the environmentalists, flip the bird to the speed restricters and waggle your waggly bits in the general direction of the autonomous car brigade for we are the Pistonheads and we shall not leave with a whimper but with a crescendos of internal combustion.
It’s my birthday and I’m in the hot tub with a bottle of gin. ;-)
CaptainSensib1e said:
Yes, 5x times whatever the average wage was when the car was new!
That GTO is stunning. To be fair it was designed before road cars were built in a mid-engined configuration. So perhaps my definaition is wrong as it would automatically exclude anything made before the mid-60s.
EDIT:
From wikipedia:
The Ferrari 250 GTO is a GT car produced by Ferrari from 1962 to 1964 for homologation into the FIA's Group 3 Grand Touring Car category
So it's a Grand Tourer rather than a super car
Actually many mid-engine Ferrari's were heavy and over-engineered GT's, rather than lightweight sports cars, starting with the Boxer.That GTO is stunning. To be fair it was designed before road cars were built in a mid-engined configuration. So perhaps my definaition is wrong as it would automatically exclude anything made before the mid-60s.
EDIT:
From wikipedia:
The Ferrari 250 GTO is a GT car produced by Ferrari from 1962 to 1964 for homologation into the FIA's Group 3 Grand Touring Car category
So it's a Grand Tourer rather than a super car
The fact that their performance was still above that of their lightweight competitors says it all.
_Leg_ said:
Tbf an F12 could be described as a GT. It could also be described as a Supercar. Both would be wrong. It should be described as a murderous bd. I wouldn’t have it any other way. :-)
It’s all semantics though and the tone of the thread is clearly lighthearted. As we the ‘pistonheads’ of this world come under more and more attacks I propose that all cars that aren’t boring Euro or Jap boxes are super cars and we, the drivers, unite. No longer shall an R8 be scorned in the supercar forums, no more shall the Boxster driver be asked for a short back and sides, welcome to the chavved up Saxo, come hither and share our bread I say to the dropped Nissan with an exhaust you could hide a mini in. Come all, unite, scorn the Prius, show your arse to the environmentalists, flip the bird to the speed restricters and waggle your waggly bits in the general direction of the autonomous car brigade for we are the Pistonheads and we shall not leave with a whimper but with a crescendos of internal combustion.
It’s my birthday and I’m in the hot tub with a bottle of gin. ;-)
Hear, hear! Stop the petty factions and unite against the common enemy....d. I wouldn’t have it any other way. :-)It’s all semantics though and the tone of the thread is clearly lighthearted. As we the ‘pistonheads’ of this world come under more and more attacks I propose that all cars that aren’t boring Euro or Jap boxes are super cars and we, the drivers, unite. No longer shall an R8 be scorned in the supercar forums, no more shall the Boxster driver be asked for a short back and sides, welcome to the chavved up Saxo, come hither and share our bread I say to the dropped Nissan with an exhaust you could hide a mini in. Come all, unite, scorn the Prius, show your arse to the environmentalists, flip the bird to the speed restricters and waggle your waggly bits in the general direction of the autonomous car brigade for we are the Pistonheads and we shall not leave with a whimper but with a crescendos of internal combustion.
It’s my birthday and I’m in the hot tub with a bottle of gin. ;-)
Nano2nd said:
CaptainSensib1e said:
Thread bump!
Just enjoyed reading through this thread, great to read everyone's opinions on what is such a subjective topic.
For me a supercar was always a performance orientated car that is unobtainable for the masses. But how to quantify that?
This is my checklist (all in the name of fun, feel free to disgree!)
- No more than 2 seats
- Engine located behind the driver
- Costs more than 5x the average salary when new (average salary in the UK is £29k, which means the car has to cost at least £145,000)
On that basis an Audi R8 (cost from £125k) isn't a supercar but a Lamborghini Huracan (cost from £155k) is a super car.
so your saying a McLaren 540c isn't a supercar but a £147k R8 Spyder v10 Performance is?Just enjoyed reading through this thread, great to read everyone's opinions on what is such a subjective topic.
For me a supercar was always a performance orientated car that is unobtainable for the masses. But how to quantify that?
This is my checklist (all in the name of fun, feel free to disgree!)
- No more than 2 seats
- Engine located behind the driver
- Costs more than 5x the average salary when new (average salary in the UK is £29k, which means the car has to cost at least £145,000)
On that basis an Audi R8 (cost from £125k) isn't a supercar but a Lamborghini Huracan (cost from £155k) is a super car.
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