Not much seems to selling right now?
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RamboLambo said:
Don't believe everything you read or hear. I will be shortly on my 3rd McLaren having done over 15,000 miles and in 3 years not had a single issue.
Oh the battery in the remote ran out, shock horror
Lots of scaremongering of the McLaren brand goes on where 1 isolated incident on the internet suddenly becomes an epidemic.
Not isolated incidents, take your blindfold off.Oh the battery in the remote ran out, shock horror
Lots of scaremongering of the McLaren brand goes on where 1 isolated incident on the internet suddenly becomes an epidemic.
ferdi p said:
What? like burning 458's & blown engines in 991GT3's?
Come on, I've met many Mac owners & hardly any have a horror story...
I also know many mac owners, some have only had small problems..........others have had major problems, I can only go on what I personally know, and I would have had a macca by now if it wasn't for the shocking back up service and reliability.Come on, I've met many Mac owners & hardly any have a horror story...
ghost83 said:
.Unfortunately I have no idea how to get to your enviable positionBUT I do like the mclaren and drove a 12c but if I ever had 200k plus I wouldn’t buy one! The horror stories of break downs and massive service and repair costs put me off! And I hear their customer service leaves a lot to be desired! If you like Italy you ever had a lambo?
I suspect he wasn’t buying supercars on finance that he could barely afford when at your stage of life. You don’t build wealth by leveraging depreciating assets when in your apparent financial position. I’m patronising you but you asked for advice. It appears that the crash when it comes will be unlike the market has ever experienced given the weak hands these supercars are ending up in.
I’ll get my coat.
Mine is up for sale.
I've had a few enquiries which mainly end up in talking about what fantastic cars they are, what could I possibly get to replace it and me pointing them to another good car for sale
I'm with you leggy. Drive the thing, that's the money shot.
edit ^ What is this LHD rubbish?
I've had a few enquiries which mainly end up in talking about what fantastic cars they are, what could I possibly get to replace it and me pointing them to another good car for sale
I'm with you leggy. Drive the thing, that's the money shot.
edit ^ What is this LHD rubbish?
WDISMYL said:
I suspect he wasn’t buying supercars on finance that he could barely afford when at your stage of life.
You don’t build wealth by leveraging depreciating assets when in your apparent financial position. I’m patronising you but you asked for advice. It appears that the crash when it comes will be unlike the market has ever experienced given the weak hands these supercars are ending up in.
I’ll get my coat.
Probably not but everyone has to start somewhere my plan is to wait and see if there is a crash then go from there my hope is to keep whatever I get for 7-10yrs maybe even keep it longer, once finance is paid though if it’s worth a lot more might be a lot easier to trade up! Unfortunately not everyone are millionaires and there’s all of people buying these cars on finance You don’t build wealth by leveraging depreciating assets when in your apparent financial position. I’m patronising you but you asked for advice. It appears that the crash when it comes will be unlike the market has ever experienced given the weak hands these supercars are ending up in.
I’ll get my coat.
ted 191 said:
I also know many mac owners, some have only had small problems..........others have had major problems, I can only go on what I personally know, and I would have had a macca by now if it wasn't for the shocking back up service and reliability.
My worst ever service was from Ferrari, I had a new engine replaced in my GT3, I was left stranded by a Gallardo & ended up handing it back. None of those incidents would put me off buying another Ferrari/Porsche/Lambo.I'm on my 2nd mac, zero problems (so far!)
Surely we can't just base our whole decision making process on a few people we bump in to & some internet moaning!
I agree that McLaren have some awful dealers but more are opening, more competition will bring better service & more choice.
_Leg_ said:
ghost83 said:
_Leg_ said:
I'm sure they're great cars but I'm not a fan of McLaren's I'm afraid.
Mind if I ask whyFirstly, I'm a big fan of Italy, the culture, the people, the place, the language. I did nothing at school, partook in the Manchester err, ‘chemical’ scene in the late eighties and early nineties and then reacted to that by becoming a little too serious between 25 and 44. I spent that period of my life doing the sensible thing at every turn. It paid off, I sold my company, retired and decided it was time to try and lighten up a bit.
This is why I'm attracted to the more relaxed culture that I perceive Italy has. I started night school learning Italian in January, I go there 3-4 times a year, when my sons are more independent I'll spend half my year there. My racing heroes are Nuvolari, Ascari etc, not Moss or Mansell.
Secondly, I had posters of Ferraris on my wall as a kid, not McLaren's.
Thirdly, and without getting into 'oh everyone says that', for me, there's something special about Ferrari that no other manufacturer has, not even the hypercar brigade has. This is probably, in part, derived from point 2. I still get in the Ferraris and sometimes out loud say, 'holy f
k, this is mine'.Fourth, I happened to be in a position to buy supercars (I've never done credit apart from when I used to have a mortgage since a bad experience when I was quite young) at the point when Ferraris were easy to own, still sounded amazing and had got to the stage where they were faster than any road car needs to be and reliable enough to do plenty of miles.
So, that’s why I own Ferraris.
Why don't I own a McLaren?
The front end of all but the 12C and 720S look like a grinning oriental gentleman. I can't help it, once I saw it, that's all I see.
I never dreamed about owning one, I never had a poster of one.
Leading on from my first point above, the brand represents specifics, seriousness, technical detail and numbers to my mind, the exact opposite of my perception of Ferrari and Italy.
More general points...
I don't buy into the latest is best thing, I don't buy into the silly game manufacturers are playing of more and more power. This applies to the 488 and 812 also. I get asked, "are you going to upgrade your 458 to a 488?". I don't get it. If 458 to 488 was an upgrade then I wouldn't own, and love, an E92 M3, a Mk1 Escort RS1600 BDA, a 1967 Abarth 595 etc, I would have a new M4, a Focus RS and a new Abarth 595.
Also, I have 15 cars. I develop relationships with my cars and find it hard to part with them. A mate was laughing at me this week when I said, of the 458 Spider, 'Yeah, had it 4 years this summer, we've been on loads of adventures together' without a hint of joke about it. If I did buy a McLaren, something would have to go as I have no room left. I can't pick a single car out I would be able to part with and nothing out there, that I can justify the spend on, inspires me enough to pick one out to swap.
So there you go, a myriad of reasons really. They don't need to be correct, they don't even need to make sense, it’s just how I feel. And that is precisely why anyone should buy a given supercar if you ask me, because of how they feel about it.
And, picking up on the thread's subject matter, whenever I start to think of any money I may have made or lost on cars, as it's inevitable I will from time to time, I dismiss it immediately because I bought them to enjoy. Worrying about their values would only detract from that and if you go down that route you've still lost the money, and also lost the value. Lose Lose.
Long may we all enjoy our cars. Just don’t buy a Prius.
:-)
Edited by _Leg_ on Saturday 14th April 00:01
There is "ghost83" asking a perfectly reasonable question and you giving a very brief explanation.
Next time flesh it out a bit more.
ghost83 said:
avinalarf said:
Pretty poor show leg.
There is "ghost83" asking a perfectly reasonable question and you giving a very brief explanation.
Next time flesh it out a bit more.
I liked his response! Nice n honestThere is "ghost83" asking a perfectly reasonable question and you giving a very brief explanation.
Next time flesh it out a bit more.
I consider it very brief and perfunctory.
I would have expected the complete book on the subject and not just a chapter.
ghost83 said:
Unfortunately I have no idea how to get to your enviable position BUT I do like the mclaren and drove a 12c but if I ever had 200k plus I wouldn’t buy one! The horror stories of break downs and massive service and repair costs put me off! And I hear their customer service leaves a lot to be desired! If you like Italy you ever had a lambo?
Neither did I. I just did what I thought was right each day, no big plan. Taking opportunities (risks?) is probably a big part of it.No, not had a Lamborghini. In 2014 when I took delivery of the 458 Spider it was the best choice. Then when I looked at the f12 I wanted something different to the mid engines stuff I had so I seem to have passed Lamborghini by but not by design particularly.
WDISMYL said:
I suspect he wasn’t buying supercars on finance that he could barely afford when at your stage of life.
You don’t build wealth by leveraging depreciating assets when in your apparent financial position. I’m patronising you but you asked for advice. It appears that the crash when it comes will be unlike the market has ever experienced given the weak hands these supercars are ending up in.
I’ll get my coat.
No, no credit. I was running cars that I bought cash out of my divvy at the end of the year.You don’t build wealth by leveraging depreciating assets when in your apparent financial position. I’m patronising you but you asked for advice. It appears that the crash when it comes will be unlike the market has ever experienced given the weak hands these supercars are ending up in.
I’ll get my coat.
Boxster S, E92 M3 for example. Still got them.
Didn't even go into the Ferrari dealership until all the paperwork was signed on the sale. Drove past it every day for years and it never even occurred to me to even look.
I hear about large deposit finance deals with big balloons and think people must be bonkers but then, if you're passionate about cars and it's the only way, I can see the attraction.
Personally I would buy something cheaper for cash but hey ho what do I know.
ghost83 said:
It’s ok if you can take risks what did you specialise in? See I’m in the amusement machine trade
HR and Payroll software. We got in early on the on the move to web based tech and went from unheard of to market leader in the 100-10,000 employee market. Started in 2005, sold in 2014.One of the big finance software companies backed by venture capitalists bought us out.
_Leg_ said:
HR and Payroll software. We got in early on the on the move to web based tech and went from unheard of to market leader in the 100-10,000 employee market. Started in 2005, sold in 2014.
One of the big finance software companies backed by venture capitalists bought us out.
Respect to you for that see in my industry it’s not easy! I was looking to startup on my own but my dad threatened to sack me and with a mortgage and 2 kids I couldn’t risk it!One of the big finance software companies backed by venture capitalists bought us out.
_Leg_ said:
No, no credit.I was running cars that I bought cash out of my divvy at the end of the year.
Boxster S, E92 M3 for example. Still got them.
Didn't even go into the Ferrari dealership until all the paperwork was signed on the sale. Drove past it every day for years and it never even occurred to me to even look.
I hear about large deposit finance deals with big balloons and think people must be bonkers but then, if you're passionate about cars and it's the only way, I can see the attraction.
Personally I would buy something cheaper for cash but hey ho what do I know.
Congratulations on your success. And a huge lesson to many supercar owner wannabees. As you say it’s personal choice and clearly for most people finance is the only path to ownership. Not for me but as long as they don’t end up begging the state for help in retirement because of those poor financial decisions it’s none of my business. Boxster S, E92 M3 for example. Still got them.
Didn't even go into the Ferrari dealership until all the paperwork was signed on the sale. Drove past it every day for years and it never even occurred to me to even look.
I hear about large deposit finance deals with big balloons and think people must be bonkers but then, if you're passionate about cars and it's the only way, I can see the attraction.
Personally I would buy something cheaper for cash but hey ho what do I know.
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