Ferrari F430 available
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In reply to my earlier posts i have made some enquiries to find out whether Ferrari F430s were available in 4 weeks. It turns out that they aren't, it will take 8 weeks but i am willing to wait coz i will get my specs.
But if someone is interested then they have 4 physical cars in stock available now, 2 spiders and 2 coupe.
As i get the impression that you this is a sales thread, i am not going to post their contact details unless someone gets in touch with me privately.
email hhl@webstar.co.uk
But if someone is interested then they have 4 physical cars in stock available now, 2 spiders and 2 coupe.
As i get the impression that you this is a sales thread, i am not going to post their contact details unless someone gets in touch with me privately.
email hhl@webstar.co.uk
Tragic state of affairs I agree. The supercar market is dominated and destroyed by speculators and investors alike. It's now a 'given' to assume that any new car will attract heafty premiums.
I'm afraid to call this guy:
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=133&t=177697
in fear of him asking a silly premium.
Cem
I'm afraid to call this guy:
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=133&t=177697
in fear of him asking a silly premium.
Cem
Blow Dog said:
Tragic state of affairs I agree. The supercar market is dominated and destroyed by speculators and investors alike. It's now a 'given' to assume that any new car will attract heafty premiums.
I'm afraid to call this guy:
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=133&t=177697
in fear of him asking a silly premium.
Cem
You are quite right - not only do they destroy the new market by mopping up all the availability of cars that would have traditionally been bought solely by enthusiasts, BUT they in turn, screw up the used market and residual values of these same cars e.g Gallardo.
They create an artificial state of demand at the outset, then a potential oversupply issue once the initial furore has abated - so it's a double whammy for the poor enthusiast who simply wants the car!
I feel sorry (pity? confusion?) for the individual who pays a £28k premium for a car only for oversupply to bite him in the arse at disposal time (ask early buyers/premium payers on 360 spiders - they used to be £25k overs as well)- effectivley thats another £28k of depreciation.
I think it goes further than that - thats why I've said I'd want a discount - I think that some cars which command a premium at the outset suffer disproportionatley due to this artificial supply/demand curve e.g would Gallardo prices be better/more stable now if there hadn't been such a high degree of speculation in them at launch? I think so - because there would be fewer of them in the UK (speculators were said to account for 60% of sales) and therefore a better ratio of supply / demand.
As an ex sales manager for a Ferrari main agent I can tell you it is some of the so called "enthusiasts" who are partly responsible for this state of affairs....usually the first batch of cars that hits the uk go to previous good customers who we as dealers think they will not try and speculate with the cars, of course greed takes over, they initially do not intend selling for a premium, but the temptation becomes too much, then the market is set, I personally know someone who has picked up £60K premium on a pair of 430s, and I sold somebody a Testarossa who made an immediate £100K premium, and was supplied more new model early cars by Ferrari.draw your own conclusions there then!
I cant see Gallardo's dropping much more. All the speculative money is into the F430 and no doubt there will be more going on the new Gallardo Spyder.
The CGT is the (relative) bargain of the century at the moment. There are a few with minimal miles for around the £280K mark whereas a similar Mac/Merc SLR is still being advertised for around £330K
I know which I would rather have.
The CGT is the (relative) bargain of the century at the moment. There are a few with minimal miles for around the £280K mark whereas a similar Mac/Merc SLR is still being advertised for around £330K
I know which I would rather have.
Where are all these bombed out Gallardo's? I've been looking at their prices for ages and yet to see UK Rhd's at much below £90k (including private sales). I'm sure a bit of haggling could maybe get an 18 month old one for about £85k but that's about what you'd expect depreciation wise (in % terms) nowadays on any expensive car.
Has anyone bought a UK Rhd Gallardo for £80k used?
Btw, paying *big* premiums is for fashion victim footballers with more money than sense.
Has anyone bought a UK Rhd Gallardo for £80k used?
Btw, paying *big* premiums is for fashion victim footballers with more money than sense.
Davey S1 said:
The CGT is the (relative) bargain of the century at the moment. There are a few with minimal miles for around the £280K mark
There was a section in Evo last month which said there were/are some CGTs going around the trade for 250k same went for the SLRs (obviously more expensive)
uonlyhave2seats said:
Poorcardealer: I would love to know how official Ferrari dealers really allocate new Ferraris. If I went and put a deposit on the 430 replacement would I keep my genuine place on the list or would I get bumped? Some dealers will not take deposits that far in advance others will.
I am about to withdraw my deposit against a new F430 for this very reason. I've heard of several other customers who have been allocated earlier cars even though I've had a £5k deposit down for nearly a year. I get the feeling I will eventually be allocated a car 'just' in time for it to depreciate as I drive it off the forecourt. At the moment all I'm doing is contributing to Sytner's bank account and I'd rather spend my money elsewhere - like on a Porsche.
DoctorD said:
Poorcardealer: I would love to know how official Ferrari dealers really allocate new Ferraris. If I went and put a deposit on the 430 replacement would I keep my genuine place on the list or would I get bumped? Some dealers will not take deposits that far in advance others will.
I am about to withdraw my deposit against a new F430 for this very reason. I've heard of several other customers who have been allocated earlier cars even though I've had a £5k deposit down for nearly a year. I get the feeling I will eventually be allocated a car 'just' in time for it to depreciate as I drive it off the forecourt. At the moment all I'm doing is contributing to Sytner's bank account and I'd rather spend my money elsewhere - like on a Porsche.
Buy a Ferrari, just get an older one.
I do wonder how long it'll be before we start hearing of v0.9 issues with these cars too. Trick diffs, more aggressive gearboxes, new engine.
Get into a 550/575/355/360 (possibly even a CS) and you should take less of a hit for not much less thrill.
Then get a 430 when some mongo's taken a bath,
Ferrari and Porsche aren't in the same segment as far as I'm concerned. Comparing pure performance is only part of the story, and once you do that, bring in the BMWs, Subarus et al (not meant to come across as snobbery - it's a character and "je ne sais quoi" thing).
murph7355 said:
Then get a 430 when some mongo's taken a bath
Class quote
murph7355 said:
Ferrari and Porsche aren't in the same segment as far as I'm concerned. Comparing pure performance is only part of the story, and once you do that, bring in the BMWs, Subarus et al (not meant to come across as snobbery - it's a character and "je ne sais quoi" thing).
Nah disagree with that tho.
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