Is a McLaren 570s A Supercar?

[davek_964]

Nissan GTR is a big saloon. Even if it had a 0-60 time of 1 second, and was a collaboration by Lamborghini, McLaren, Ferrari and Bugatti it couldn't be a supercar with that styling.

[jakesmith]

davek_964 said:

Nissan GTR is a big saloon. Even if it had a 0-60 time of 1 second, and was a collaboration by Lamborghini, McLaren, Ferrari and Bugatti it couldn't be a supercar with that styling.

I must have not noticed it’s rear doors

[jakesmith]

Dave_964 said:

Even if it had a 0-60 time of 1 second, and was a collaboration by Lamborghini, McLaren, Ferrari and Bugatti it couldn't be a supercar with that styling.

That’s why no 911 can be a supercar imo they are too similar to the basic models

[Turbo cab]

So with that said does the I8 qualify?

[Olivera]

Turbo cab said:

So with that said does the I8 qualify?

Absolutely not, 3 cylinders and external speakers is an embarrassment to the term supercar.

[jakesmith]

Olivera said:

Absolutely not, 3 cylinders and external speakers is an embarrassment to the term supercar.

What if it had a highly tuned version of the M5 engine in it and did 0-60 in 3 seconds?

[Turbo cab]

I think when you read up on some of the definitions of Supercar and what it should be ie;

"The best a car can be" or " a high performance exotic sports car" it makes it a bit easier to digest.

The likes of Ferrari, Lamborghini, Mclaren etc only produce "supercars" so other than Lamborghini with the exception of the Urus (which despite owning one and thinking its super is NOT a supercar) do not do a vanilla line up like Porsche or Audi.

It's this Vanilla line up that makes the part of there range that does qualify for supercar status ie R8 GT2RS etc less palatable and easier for the masses to claim "its not a supercar" Because it either doesn't wear the badge or is an enhanced variant of the standard line up. GT2rs held the ring record for a while so was certainly the best of a 911 variant, Exotic and high performance and undeniably a "supercar".

The I8 i'm not sure about, taking on board the comment about its power plant, It still does the figures (almost) and has billionaire doors and looks the part along with price tag so why should it not be? With us moving into an era where petrol engines could not be a thing for too much longer, would that mean a hybrid/fully electric car of the future that wears the Ferrari/Mclaren/Lamborghini badge would not be considered a supercar for this reason?

All IMHO as always.

[anonymous-user]

Nano2nd said:

Lord.Vader said:

No 911 is a supercar is a sports car

What? As above, it’s about 1% the same as the 9xx 911.

It’s not a super car its a race car.

[cayman-black]

ghost83 said:

RSbandit said:

This is all subjective tbh, for me a GT2RS is probably a supercar certainly has the right price tag!

I’d say a gt product is different to the normal cars

Right, they are completely different.

[Nano2nd]

Lord.Vader said:

What? As above, it’s about 1% the same as the 9xx 911.

It’s not a super car its a race car.

you said no 911 is a supercar, this is a 911 according to the people who make err.. 911s, whether its shares any similarities or not with a 9xx variant, doesn't mean its not a 911... and as for being a race car, as its actually a road car i doubt it would be eligible for many race series.

[r o n n i e]

Nano2nd said:

Lord.Vader said:

What? As above, it’s about 1% the same as the 9xx 911.

It’s not a super car its a race car.

you said no 911 is a supercar, this is a 911 according to the people who make err.. 911s, whether its shares any similarities or not with a 9xx variant, doesn't mean its not a 911... and as for being a race car, as its actually a road car i doubt it would be eligible for many race series.

The GT1 was developed as a race car. Porsche made 20 road versions (each of which are pretty bespoke) to meet homogenisation racing rules.

[anonymous-user]

r o n n i e said:

Nano2nd said:

Lord.Vader said:

What? As above, it’s about 1% the same as the 9xx 911.

It’s not a super car its a race car.

you said no 911 is a supercar, this is a 911 according to the people who make err.. 911s, whether its shares any similarities or not with a 9xx variant, doesn't mean its not a 911... and as for being a race car, as its actually a road car i doubt it would be eligible for many race series.

The GT1 was developed as a race car. Porsche made 20 road versions (each of which are pretty bespoke) to meet homogenisation racing rules.

I know, as a road going race car, not a super car. Unless you are dying by default a race car for the road is a super car so any road legal BTCC / Group B hom’, etc are all super cars too?

Clearly doesn’t matter what you say to Porsche fan-boys.

We all have our opinions, no 911 is a supercar for me.

As i said earlier a specific version of a model can not be a super car if the overall model is not, if you need to explain why it is a super car then it just isn’t.

Edited by Lord.Vader on Monday 2nd September 07:31

[selym]

Nano2nd said:

The Surveyor said:

The R8 looks like a TT

Exactly like saying a 959 looks like a big standard 911 - only to the blind.

I've no dog in this fight, I drive a Monaro which looks like a Calibra (to the blind!).

[Pioneer]

My wife has an i8 and mid-range, once that elec motor cuts in it outperforms both the Lambos I had. Better quality interior, more up-to-date tech, uber low running costs, dihedral doors, app control from your armchair etc. Very attractive alternative to a supercar but it is definitely 100% NOT a supercar. Same as the R8, GTR etc. No matter how much BMW try and market it as one. Saying that the new Audi eTron GT and BMW MVISION Next will make virtually all supercars look slow and dated. However they will still just be quick EVs from manufacturers catering for all consumers. Lambo, McL, Fer, Pagani, Bugatti and some other models from non-SC manu. like the XJ-220, 918, GT40 etc will always be SCs imo.

[r o n n i e]

Lord.Vader said:

r o n n i e said:

Nano2nd said:

Lord.Vader said:

What? As above, it’s about 1% the same as the 9xx 911.

It’s not a super car its a race car.

you said no 911 is a supercar, this is a 911 according to the people who make err.. 911s, whether its shares any similarities or not with a 9xx variant, doesn't mean its not a 911... and as for being a race car, as its actually a road car i doubt it would be eligible for many race series.

The GT1 was developed as a race car. Porsche made 20 road versions (each of which are pretty bespoke) to meet homogenisation racing rules.

I know, as a road going race car, not a super car. Unless you are dying by default a race car for the road is a super car so any road legal BTCC / Group B hom’, etc are all super cars too?

Clearly doesn’t matter what you say to Porsche fan-boys.

We all have our opinions, no 911 is a supercar for me.

As i said earlier a specific version of a model can not be a super car if the overall model is not, if you need to explain why it is a super car then it just isn’t.

Edited by Lord.Vader on Monday 2nd September 07:31

I think that’s the most extreme example of a “variant” someone can come up with.

Although the GT1 carries the “911” moniker, it shares only the front headlights and rear lights - literally everything else is different to the production sports car version 911.

[Nano2nd]

Lord.Vader said:

I know, as a road going race car, not a super car. Unless you are dying by default a race car for the road is a super car so any road legal BTCC / Group B hom’, etc are all super cars too?

Clearly doesn’t matter what you say to Porsche fan-boys.

We all have our opinions, no 911 is a supercar for me.

Clearly no one thinks a homoglated BTCC / Group B racer is a supercar, generally they don't have the right "look" mainly because they were based on saloon cars... though Lancia Stratos and the 037 could confuse that point of view somewhat.... where are you on the BMW M1?

i don't know what fan-boys has to do with it, i'm arguing the point a 911 GT1 is definitively a supercar, the same goes for that mental CLK.. regardless of how "one off" they are... is the Lycan Hypersport not a supercar coz they made like 7? Ford GT90?

[The Surveyor]

selym said:

Nano2nd said:

The Surveyor said:

The R8 looks like a TT

Exactly like saying a 959 looks like a big standard 911 - only to the blind.

I've no dog in this fight, I drive a Monaro which looks like a Calibra (to the blind!).

You need to read the context within which I made that comment. The R8 benefits from the Audi brand standards with regard to the perceived 'sensible' and 'reliable' qualities which the 4 ring badge promotes, yet that same brand associations dilutes their 'specialness' when it comes to any claimed 'supercar' status IMHO. That the TT shares the design language of the R8 raises the sales potential of the TT due to it's association with it's V10 brother, yet that same association is detrimental to the R8's status which is why it's always such a divisive topic. For me, the R8 is a sports car yet the almost identical Huracan is a supercar, although I do understand why other don't agree.

It's the same with the Porsche 911. The GT2 RS certainly has supercar performance yet it's direct association with the Carrera models renders it as probably the ultimate sports car. Oh and the 959 is 100% a supercar....

[av185]

The Surveyor said:

You need to read the context within which I made that comment. The R8 benefits from the Audi brand standards with regard to the perceived 'sensible' and 'reliable' qualities which the 4 ring badge promotes, yet that same brand associations dilutes their 'specialness' when it comes to any claimed 'supercar' status IMHO. That the TT shares the design language of the R8 raises the sales potential of the TT due to it's association with it's V10 brother, yet that same association is detrimental to the R8's status which is why it's always such a divisive topic. For me, the R8 is a sports car yet the almost identical Huracan is a supercar, although I do understand why other don't agree.

It's the same with the Porsche 911. The GT2 RS certainly has supercar performance yet it's direct association with the Carrera models renders it as probably the ultimate sports car. Oh and the 959 is 100% a supercar....

Agree broadly with what you say but I also think if useful to look at the amount of 'bespoke' features of any particular model. Whilst being a fan of the Hurracan (particularly the Performante) , it's bespoke attributes are fairly low whereas most think the GT2 RS is exactly the same as any other vanilla 911, and whilst it may look the same very few body panels and other parts are in fact the same nor are their construction materials with extensive use being made of carbon fibre and magnesium.

Bizarrely, the GT2 RS is a flawed road car (as are many supercars and this in part supports their definition) imo as it's sheer rapidity and therefore lack of proper involvement at road speeds is frustrating, but as a 'Nurburgring blaster' it is hard to beat in terms of sheer performance, as the records prove only too well.

[jakesmith]

av185 said:

I also think if useful to look at the amount of 'bespoke' features of any particular model.

Yet you will no doubt not apply that same logic to the R8 which is a bespoke model range in it's own right on a bespoke platform, and merely has a few shared components with other cars, such as switchgear, exactly as it is between the 2RS and a vanilla 997

The mental contortions you twist through to denigrate vehicles that you feel are below you, and then the same to justify your own choices, are plain to see.

[av185]

The only thing plain to see is your psycho babble....