Is a McLaren 570s A Supercar?
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av185 said:
The only thing plain to see is your psycho babble....
It wasn't a difficult point to follow though was it, sorry it exposed a yawning chasm in your nonsensical statement about a (previously unknown) criteria of cars from non-supercar manufacturers being OK to classify as supercars as long as they are bespoke enough. Quite how that applies to a GT2RS and not a R8 I don't think anyone but yourself will ever know!
av185 said:
Talking about criteria, with all these models available and high manufacturing numbers, the R8 certainly passes the 'Audis are everywhere' ubiquity test, simultaneously spectacularly failing the supercar exclusivity test with flying colours: 
If the R8 is slain by the 'they are everywhere' sword then the 911 is lying in a bloody pile of guts too.selym said:
av185 said:
If the R8 is slain by the 'they are everywhere' sword then the 911 is lying in a bloody pile of guts too.jakesmith said:
Yet you will no doubt not apply that same logic to the R8 which is a bespoke model range in it's own right on a bespoke platform, and merely has a few shared components with other cars, such as switchgear, exactly as it is between the 2RS and a vanilla 997
The mental contortions you twist through to denigrate vehicles that you feel are below you, and then the same to justify your own choices, are plain to see.
It's funny, speaking of switch gear..The mental contortions you twist through to denigrate vehicles that you feel are below you, and then the same to justify your own choices, are plain to see.
Noble M12? ford mondeo lights..
TVR Cerbera? Ford Fiesta..
Callaway C12? Vauxhall Tigra..
Jaguar XJ220? why, parts from a humble rover 200..
I tend to go off whatever I see in a book with 'supercars' in the name.. much to the dismay of many, that will include the likes of R8s, GTRs et al. I see like likes of ferrari and lambo as the benchmark, anything of a similar year that delivers similar performance and any form of relative exclusivity gets an honourary membership imo.
selym said:
av185 said:
If the R8 is slain by the 'they are everywhere' sword then the 911 is lying in a bloody pile of guts too.All those R8 models over many many years and their high manufacturing numbers mean the R8 is anything but bespoke.
In contrast, only a relative handful of GT2 /RS every 7 years.
With many bespoke parts which no other 911 has.
And bespoke performance too.
av185 said:
selym said:
av185 said:
If the R8 is slain by the 'they are everywhere' sword then the 911 is lying in a bloody pile of guts too.All those R8 models over many many years and their high manufacturing numbers mean the R8 is anything but bespoke.
In contrast, only a relative handful of GT2 /RS every 7 years.
With many bespoke parts which no other 911 has.
And bespoke performance too.
You have a superb collection, so get a readers cars type thread up please.
av185 said:
Nope you've spectacularly missed the point.
All those R8 models over many many years and their high manufacturing numbers mean the R8 is anything but bespoke.
In contrast, only a relative handful of GT2 /RS every 7 years.
With many bespoke parts which no other 911 has.
And bespoke performance too.
I’ll respectfully disagree, the v10 r8 looks like a supercar, has a glass engine cover, and has a Lamborghini NA V10 engine. For more exotic than a f6 turbo which has more in common with a 335iAll those R8 models over many many years and their high manufacturing numbers mean the R8 is anything but bespoke.
In contrast, only a relative handful of GT2 /RS every 7 years.
With many bespoke parts which no other 911 has.
And bespoke performance too.
To me r8 is far more of a supercar than a very fast variant of a 911 even if that does have a number of subtly unique parts, it is based on a sports car and is very expensive
I can’t imagine you’d consider an SL65 Black to be a supercar or some ultra rare limited edition M4 with a load of bespoke parts, and the reason you’d give is it is based on a sports car or GT so I don’t see how the same doesn’t apply to the 2RS.
The R8 is on a shared platform with a Lamborghini it’s far more special IMO. Park the 2 next to each other and do a straw poll of random passers by on which one is the supercar I bet you the R8 wins by some margin
jakesmith said:
The R8 is on a shared platform with a Lamborghini it’s far more special IMO. Park the 2 next to each other and do a straw poll of random passers by on which one is the supercar I bet you the R8 wins by some margin
Given that my lowly 991.2 GT3 (white, winged clubsport)) receives more attention than my 458 Italia (Grigio Titanium) it seems fairly clear that a GT2 RS would receive waay more attention than an R8.Not that attention is a good thing, as we all know.
selym said:
Not nearly enough boxes ticked for supercar status in my opinion, but the very definition is ultra subjective.
You have a superb collection, so get a readers cars type thread up please.
Yeah AV185...get posting pics up of your fleet...You have a superb collection, so get a readers cars type thread up please.
you wouldn't see a collection like that even in a OPC showroom...
av185 said:
jakesmith said:
The R8 is on a shared platform with a Lamborghini it’s far more special IMO. Park the 2 next to each other and do a straw poll of random passers by on which one is the supercar I bet you the R8 wins by some margin
Given that my lowly 991.2 GT3 (white, winged clubsport)) receives more attention than my 458 Italia (Grigio Titanium) it seems fairly clear that a GT2 RS would receive waay more attention than an R8.Not that attention is a good thing, as we all know.
The R8 falls short because it's not a Lamborghini, all the reasons why a buyer choses the R8 over the Huracan are the reasons why the Huracan will always be seen as a special and edgy supercar whilst the R8 will be seen as a very good production sports car. 'Sensible, 'comfortable', 'understated', more reliable', 'cheaper to buy and service', are all to the R8's credit but they diminish it's supercar credentials for me.
The GT2 falls short because its just the top spec 911, it's a Porsche 911 with added omphh yet it's still a 911, and as such it's still very much a sports car. Porsche markets the 911 as 'A timeless sports car in the best sense' and just because their top-spec cars have supercar-like performance, that doesn't change their basic sports car DNA (all very much IMHO).
Took the wife to Hull Audi last year to look at a R8 V10+ they had. She asked the two sales guys we were talking to if they thought it was a supercar. I'd been chatting to her about the debate on the way up. They both looked at her and with a slight smile, shook their heads. She loved it as it happens but ended up getting an i8 instead. Was a bit too hardcore for her and she was used to driving BMs. Plus she thought it was a bit smelly when we got back from the test drive. Her words.
Pioneer said:
Took the wife to Hull Audi last year to look at a R8 V10+ they had. She asked the two sales guys we were talking to if they thought it was a supercar. I'd been chatting to her about the debate on the way up. They both looked at her and with a slight smile, shook their heads. She loved it as it happens but ended up getting an i8 instead. Was a bit too hardcore for her and she was used to driving BMs. Plus she thought it was a bit smelly when we got back from the test drive. Her words.
Maybe she was talking about Hull, surprised they’ve got a new car dealership there! Gassing Station | Supercar General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff