458 or McLaren?
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Scud doesn't work for me on several levels:
- One of the main reasons for changing cars is to go for a Spider. Even if there were 430 Scud Spiders, I want folding hard top not soft top - which means 458 or newer (or Mac)
- I have never ever been tempted by the more stripped out cars (GT3s, Scud, CS) - they simply do not interest me. Even if they cost the same as the regular cars, I would not want one - so I certainly wouldn't pay the high premium for them.
- 430s look way too similar to 360s to me. Driving experience is of course very important and I love the way my 360 drives - and I'm sure a Scud would be better - but I have no interest in spending ~£100k more to get a car that looks very much the same as the one I just sold
- One of the main reasons for changing cars is to go for a Spider. Even if there were 430 Scud Spiders, I want folding hard top not soft top - which means 458 or newer (or Mac)
- I have never ever been tempted by the more stripped out cars (GT3s, Scud, CS) - they simply do not interest me. Even if they cost the same as the regular cars, I would not want one - so I certainly wouldn't pay the high premium for them.
- 430s look way too similar to 360s to me. Driving experience is of course very important and I love the way my 360 drives - and I'm sure a Scud would be better - but I have no interest in spending ~£100k more to get a car that looks very much the same as the one I just sold
Supercar purchases for me, should always be a heart decision. Some people prefer Ferrari, others McLaren. Buy the one you actually want to own and get excited about.
Both are great cars and have their advantages.
I went McLaren because like you, I preferred the looks, the doors, etc. Yes it has probably cost me more money than the respective F car, but I don't think that's the best way to look at a car like this. The Ferrari bubble could quite easily deflate.
Some absolute bargains available just now looking at 570 Spyders. If you are talking about spending 170ish, and can do without the roof off then the 720s is coming into budget.
Both are great cars and have their advantages.
I went McLaren because like you, I preferred the looks, the doors, etc. Yes it has probably cost me more money than the respective F car, but I don't think that's the best way to look at a car like this. The Ferrari bubble could quite easily deflate.
Some absolute bargains available just now looking at 570 Spyders. If you are talking about spending 170ish, and can do without the roof off then the 720s is coming into budget.
justin220 said:
Supercar purchases for me, should always be a heart decision.
^ThisDiscount any option you’re not childishly excited about. Only then consider affordability. If there’s nothing around that you’re both childishly excited about getting and can countenance financially, don’t buy anything.
Don't think depreciation will be too costly on either as second hand buys.
As said a decent 570s can be had for 110k roughly 50k less than a decent 458 spider??
Over the next 3 years a second hand 110k 570 might loose 25-30k? Id hazard a guess the 458 will loose at least 15-20k? I know its the last of the N/A V8's but its not a limited low volume car relatively speaking, 458's have probably peaked now the F8 is due out and people start to get accustomed to turbo motors... all IMO.
Id go early leggy 720s As someone stated earlier, the miles will show that its had its niggles ironed out, if any. Still under warranty and its virtually a hypercar
As said a decent 570s can be had for 110k roughly 50k less than a decent 458 spider??
Over the next 3 years a second hand 110k 570 might loose 25-30k? Id hazard a guess the 458 will loose at least 15-20k? I know its the last of the N/A V8's but its not a limited low volume car relatively speaking, 458's have probably peaked now the F8 is due out and people start to get accustomed to turbo motors... all IMO.
Id go early leggy 720s As someone stated earlier, the miles will show that its had its niggles ironed out, if any. Still under warranty and its virtually a hypercar
likesachange said:
Don't think depreciation will be too costly on either as second hand buys.
As said a decent 570s can be had for 110k roughly 50k less than a decent 458 spider??
Over the next 3 years a second hand 110k 570 might loose 25-30k? Id hazard a guess the 458 will loose at least 15-20k? I know its the last of the N/A V8's but its not a limited low volume car relatively speaking, 458's have probably peaked now the F8 is due out and people start to get accustomed to turbo motors... all IMO.
Id go early leggy 720s As someone stated earlier, the miles will show that its had its niggles ironed out, if any. Still under warranty and its virtually a hypercar
The OP is after a spider, 570s spiders are starting from £135k at the dealers although there will be room for negotiation there. 720 spiders are still out of the OP's price bracket unless he is a very good negotiator.As said a decent 570s can be had for 110k roughly 50k less than a decent 458 spider??
Over the next 3 years a second hand 110k 570 might loose 25-30k? Id hazard a guess the 458 will loose at least 15-20k? I know its the last of the N/A V8's but its not a limited low volume car relatively speaking, 458's have probably peaked now the F8 is due out and people start to get accustomed to turbo motors... all IMO.
Id go early leggy 720s As someone stated earlier, the miles will show that its had its niggles ironed out, if any. Still under warranty and its virtually a hypercar
As has been said a few times already, the OP needs to drive them and buy which ever car makes him giddy. For me, the McLaren did it where an older Ferrari at the same price point just didn't. I would have considered a GT3 Porsche bit I refuse to pay overs for a new car and I wasn't sufficiently valued by Porsche for them to let me have a new one. 2 years with my 570s coupe and I've never regretted that for a second. No paint issues, no reliability issues, and servicing has been £800 first year, and £1,100 for the second year doing circa 4k miles a year. Love it.
This Henry Catchpole video is a good starting point for the 570s spider :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU08GySJDNQ
If the OP does go with a 570s Spider, go for a 12 month old one which has lost it's initial depreciation then push for an additional 12 months warranty (to give you the same 3 full years you get from new) and then enjoy with the knowledge of no surprise bills.
The Surveyor said:
The OP is after a spider, 570s spiders are starting from £135k at the dealers although there will be room for negotiation there. 720 spiders are still out of the OP's price bracket unless he is a very good negotiator.
As has been said a few times already, the OP needs to drive them and buy which ever car makes him giddy. For me, the McLaren did it where an older Ferrari at the same price point just didn't. I would have considered a GT3 Porsche bit I refuse to pay overs for a new car and I wasn't sufficiently valued by Porsche for them to let me have a new one. 2 years with my 570s coupe and I've never regretted that for a second. No paint issues, no reliability issues, and servicing has been £800 first year, and £1,100 for the second year doing circa 4k miles a year. Love it.
This Henry Catchpole video is a good starting point for the 570s spider :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU08GySJDNQ
If the OP does go with a 570s Spider, go for a 12 month old one which has lost it's initial depreciation then push for an additional 12 months warranty (to give you the same 3 full years you get from new) and then enjoy with the knowledge of no surprise bills.
+1As has been said a few times already, the OP needs to drive them and buy which ever car makes him giddy. For me, the McLaren did it where an older Ferrari at the same price point just didn't. I would have considered a GT3 Porsche bit I refuse to pay overs for a new car and I wasn't sufficiently valued by Porsche for them to let me have a new one. 2 years with my 570s coupe and I've never regretted that for a second. No paint issues, no reliability issues, and servicing has been £800 first year, and £1,100 for the second year doing circa 4k miles a year. Love it.
This Henry Catchpole video is a good starting point for the 570s spider :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU08GySJDNQ
If the OP does go with a 570s Spider, go for a 12 month old one which has lost it's initial depreciation then push for an additional 12 months warranty (to give you the same 3 full years you get from new) and then enjoy with the knowledge of no surprise bills.
The Surveyor said:
The OP is after a spider, 570s spiders are starting from £135k at the dealers although there will be room for negotiation there. 720 spiders are still out of the OP's price bracket unless he is a very good negotiator.
Cheapest 570s spider currently for sale is below £120k and that's from a Mac dealer (and before negotiation!). They're getting more temping by the week!drcarrera said:
The Surveyor said:
The OP is after a spider, 570s spiders are starting from £135k at the dealers although there will be room for negotiation there. 720 spiders are still out of the OP's price bracket unless he is a very good negotiator.
Cheapest 570s spider currently for sale is below £120k and that's from a Mac dealer (and before negotiation!). They're getting more temping by the week!
I can maybe help with some perspective here....
I've had my 458 Spider since new in 2013, and I got a McLaren 570S in 2017 which has now been swapped for a 600LT Spider.
In terms of performance the Mclaren is a generation ahead of the 458, the carbon tub is utterly solid so the structure is totaly flex free.
The Mclaren feels more modern and more usable, and I think they look stunning.
As has been said, the time to buy a 570 is at 18 -24 months old, at £100k for a low miles 2017 car they are are the bargain of the century.
However......
I love the 458, the noise, the emotion, all the usual stuff everyone says.
If it came to the crunch, I'd always keep the 458.
Drive both and go with your heart.
They're both toys and you've got to go with whatever floats your boat.
I've had my 458 Spider since new in 2013, and I got a McLaren 570S in 2017 which has now been swapped for a 600LT Spider.
In terms of performance the Mclaren is a generation ahead of the 458, the carbon tub is utterly solid so the structure is totaly flex free.
The Mclaren feels more modern and more usable, and I think they look stunning.
As has been said, the time to buy a 570 is at 18 -24 months old, at £100k for a low miles 2017 car they are are the bargain of the century.
However......
I love the 458, the noise, the emotion, all the usual stuff everyone says.
If it came to the crunch, I'd always keep the 458.
Drive both and go with your heart.
They're both toys and you've got to go with whatever floats your boat.
bertie said:
I can maybe help with some perspective here....
I've had my 458 Spider since new in 2013, and I got a McLaren 570S in 2017 which has now been swapped for a 600LT Spider.
In terms of performance the Mclaren is a generation ahead of the 458, the carbon tub is utterly solid so the structure is totaly flex free.
The Mclaren feels more modern and more usable, and I think they look stunning.
As has been said, the time to buy a 570 is at 18 -24 months old, at £100k for a low miles 2017 car they are are the bargain of the century.
However......
I love the 458, the noise, the emotion, all the usual stuff everyone says.
If it came to the crunch, I'd always keep the 458.
Drive both and go with your heart.
They're both toys and you've got to go with whatever floats your boat.
Thanks - exactly the kind of input I was looking for.I've had my 458 Spider since new in 2013, and I got a McLaren 570S in 2017 which has now been swapped for a 600LT Spider.
In terms of performance the Mclaren is a generation ahead of the 458, the carbon tub is utterly solid so the structure is totaly flex free.
The Mclaren feels more modern and more usable, and I think they look stunning.
As has been said, the time to buy a 570 is at 18 -24 months old, at £100k for a low miles 2017 car they are are the bargain of the century.
However......
I love the 458, the noise, the emotion, all the usual stuff everyone says.
If it came to the crunch, I'd always keep the 458.
Drive both and go with your heart.
They're both toys and you've got to go with whatever floats your boat.
I was intending to wait to test drive until I had sold the 360 & Vantage. However, I think I need to do it sooner rather than later - if I love the 570S, then I may use man maths to work out I can keep the Aston......
bertie said:
davek_964 said:
What about 650S?
At ~£115k, the Spiders seem like a good deal?
Great cars too, a bit older than 570, and different to drive. At ~£115k, the Spiders seem like a good deal?
Personally I prefer the looks of the 570 and it’s more fun feel, but again drive one
Roof down said:
I have just looked to see what a mclaren looks like, I too own a 360, and I can tell you not just my Ferrari but certainly the 458 are things of beauty.
The Maclaren looks like some child has designed it, my goodness if I had the money no way would I buy one over a Ferrari.
Even the word mclaren reminds me of a child’s pushchair. No Offence intended to any mclaren owners, beauty in the eye of the beholder and all that.
Ferrari has history and legend behind it, mclaren apart from Bruce has nothing, it’s factory and cars are all to clinical.
Leaving aside looks, which are subjective, here is where Ferrari are now comparatively also-rans vs McLaren:The Maclaren looks like some child has designed it, my goodness if I had the money no way would I buy one over a Ferrari.
Even the word mclaren reminds me of a child’s pushchair. No Offence intended to any mclaren owners, beauty in the eye of the beholder and all that.
Ferrari has history and legend behind it, mclaren apart from Bruce has nothing, it’s factory and cars are all to clinical.
- performance
- suspension
- construction (carbon vs Ferrari's 20 year old aluminium tech)
- weight
- steering feel
In the 458 era and earlier, Ferrari were leading. Today I feel they are trading on past glories.
I love the Ferrari marque, and might have one again some day - but not until they at least catch up.
LotusJas said:
Leaving aside looks, which are subjective, here is where Ferrari are now comparatively also-rans vs McLaren:
- performance
- suspension
- construction (carbon vs Ferrari's 20 year old aluminium tech)
- weight
- steering feel
In the 458 era and earlier, Ferrari were leading. Today I feel they are trading on past glories.
I love the Ferrari marque, and might have one again some day - but not until they at least catch up.
I guess that’s why we have to accept we all like different things. For me, Mclaren lag behind Ferrari in certain areas. The Mc’s i’ve driven felt laggy and the engine sounded like a hairdryer in comparison to the equivalent Ferrari. Nobody who has driven a 458 on the road, let alone the rampant 488 will ever feel short changed on the performance front and the e-diff still provides more feel and exploitability than the open diff, brake steer Mclaren’s. - performance
- suspension
- construction (carbon vs Ferrari's 20 year old aluminium tech)
- weight
- steering feel
In the 458 era and earlier, Ferrari were leading. Today I feel they are trading on past glories.
I love the Ferrari marque, and might have one again some day - but not until they at least catch up.
PompeyReece said:
bertie said:
davek_964 said:
What about 650S?
At ~£115k, the Spiders seem like a good deal?
Great cars too, a bit older than 570, and different to drive. At ~£115k, the Spiders seem like a good deal?
Personally I prefer the looks of the 570 and it’s more fun feel, but again drive one
As the OP is looking for a Spider it should also be pointed that McLarens are of carbon tub construction and as such have no compromise in stiffness when in Spider form - unlike Ferraris.
davek_964 said:
What about 650S?
At ~£115k, the Spiders seem like a good deal?
This was about to be my comment. You can get a 650S Spider for a good price and they are just staggeringly good cars. Better and faster than the 570S by a long margin in my driving experience - they have the fancy suspension setup so are tight and controlled when you want, but incredibly smooth and comfy in Comfort. They really are dual personality. At ~£115k, the Spiders seem like a good deal?
Personally I think they look better than the 570S too, but not as good as the 720S. The 720S Spider is still north of £250k though, so maybe run the 650S for a while then pick up the 720S when they've dropped
That being said, the 458 is a far stronger offering residually and the engine is just a masterpiece. If you're driving on the road the slight drop in torsional rigidity compared to the coupe is virtually unnoticeable.
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