458 or McLaren?

[cayman-black]

I personally think you have a great pair now.
If i was thinking about spending that amount i would pretend Mclaren did not exist.

[IMI A]

458 a no brainer. You'll love it!

[LIVENT]

It seems from reading this thread your biggest worry is depreciation. I have got news for you, all these cars are going to fluctuate massively in the next few years. Electric cars will change everything, and faster than most people think.

My advise is buy what you want. If you can afford it, buy the car you like best. You will enjoy it more and ultimately get more actual value for money.

If you want to do something with your money there are much much better investments than super cars.

On the cars themselves its a close choice: I was going to buy a Mclaren 650s over a 458, I then drove the 488 and bought one over the other 2.

[The Surveyor]

LIVENT said:

It seems from reading this thread your biggest worry is depreciation. I have got news for you, all these cars are going to fluctuate massively in the next few years. Electric cars will change everything, and faster than most people think.

My advise is buy what you want. If you can afford it, buy the car you like best. You will enjoy it more and ultimately get more actual value for money.

If you want to do something with your money there are much much better investments than super cars.

On the cars themselves its a close choice: I was going to buy a Mclaren 650s over a 458, I then drove the 488 and bought one over the other 2.

I agree with most of what you wrote, but please explain what you mean by your text in bold.

Do you mean loud petrol sports cars will face a back-lash from the increasingly environmentally brainwashed public, or electric cars will take over the performance car sector because they're faster, or that people will value the last of the great petrol cars even more?

[Roof down]

The Surveyor said:

I agree with most of what you wrote, but please explain what you mean by your text in bold.

Do you mean loud petrol sports cars will face a back-lash from the increasingly environmentally brainwashed public, or electric cars will take over the performance car sector because they're faster, or that people will value the last of the great petrol cars even more?

He means exactly what is blatantly obvious, electrical vehicles are already creating the biggest change in automotive history.
He makes a valid point , buy what you enjoy now, personally I would take a 458 over the McLaren.
If you have to worry about the future you might as well give up life completely.
YOLO

[The Surveyor]

Roof down said:

The Surveyor said:

I agree with most of what you wrote, but please explain what you mean by your text in bold.

Do you mean loud petrol sports cars will face a back-lash from the increasingly environmentally brainwashed public, or electric cars will take over the performance car sector because they're faster, or that people will value the last of the great petrol cars even more?

He means exactly what is blatantly obvious, electrical vehicles are already creating the biggest change in automotive history.
…...

Yes, I know its 'blatantly obvious' EV's are changing how we view 'transport', but I'm interested in his view on how that will lead to fluctuations in the market demand for the current crop of supercars.

[Roof down]

The Surveyor said:

Yes, I know its 'blatantly obvious' EV's are changing how we view 'transport', but I'm interested in his view on how that will lead to fluctuations in the market demand for the current crop of supercars.

Well, I think it’s like this, I am not changing any of my current 4x4 until I can see a good hybrid alternative, so that’s just me, the younger people amongst us are surely going to opt for eco friendly type cars whether that be normal or super cars.
A lot of young people I know are not really interested in super cars or the like, when and if they do become interested there won’t be any 3.6 litre petrol planet destroying cars left. And make no mistake here things are changing rapidly and I do see the current crop of cars becoming worthless, maybe not for a few years but certainly they will, museem pieces aside.
I think this is what our friend is alluding to.
But for gods sake just bloody enjoy now, if you have to ask about future prices don’t bloody buy one. Cancer comes knocking on the doors of many friends I know without warning.
Now it’s sunny and I am off to pollute the road between Diss and Southwold, but wait! will the cod be extinct before I get to the chip shop.
I just hope I don’t start worrying about the value of the pound, and Iran, oh and all the Brexit stuff, Jesus I am glad I I am not overly intelligent otherwise I simply don’t know how I would cope.
If I do 65 miles in my 360 to have a fish and chip supper could somebody tell me the true cost of the meal factoring in depreciation, Will this affect what I could have sold for in ten years time if I had left it in the garage, wow I feel like I am giving myself therapy here. Mike

[The Surveyor]

Roof down said:

The Surveyor said:

Yes, I know its 'blatantly obvious' EV's are changing how we view 'transport', but I'm interested in his view on how that will lead to fluctuations in the market demand for the current crop of supercars.

Well, I think it’s like this, I am not changing any of my current 4x4 until I can see a good hybrid alternative, so that’s just me, the younger people amongst us are surely going to opt for eco friendly type cars whether that be normal or super cars.
A lot of young people I know are not really interested in super cars or the like, when and if they do become interested there won’t be any 3.6 litre petrol planet destroying cars left. And make no mistake here things are changing rapidly and I do see the current crop of cars becoming worthless, maybe not for a few years but certainly they will, museem pieces aside.
I think this is what our friend is alluding to.
But for gods sake just bloody enjoy now, if you have to ask about future prices don’t bloody buy one. Cancer comes knocking on the doors of many friends I know without warning.
Now it’s sunny and I am off to pollute the road between Diss and Southwold, but wait! will the cod be extinct before I get to the chip shop.
I just hope I don’t start worrying about the value of the pound, and Iran, oh and all the Brexit stuff, Jesus I am glad I I am not overly intelligent otherwise I simply don’t know how I would cope.
If I do 65 miles in my 360 to have a fish and chip supper could somebody tell me the true cost of the meal factoring in depreciation, Will this affect what I could have sold for in ten years time if I had left it in the garage, wow I feel like I am giving myself therapy here. Mike

4x4's, cancer, fish & chips, and Brexit all in one answer, I think I'll wait for LIVENT to respond to my question about future fluctuations in supercar values thanks

[davek_964]

Roof down said:

But for gods sake just bloody enjoy now, if you have to ask about future prices don’t bloody buy one. Cancer comes knocking on the doors of many friends I know without warning.

I think that's a fairly simplistic view. Everybody knows that cars (usually) lose money, but even so - most people buy a car expecting to get some percentage of their capital back when they come to sell, and different people can afford to lose more than others. And seeing previous owners say they lost £50k in 6 months of 720 ownership is a tad scary.

However, having said all of that :

I think all of us still have a bit of the kid in us who wanted the poster of the Countach or whatever on their bedroom wall. And for me, that kid wants a McLaren far more than a 458. I accept that it will probably lose more money, I accept that it will probably have more niggles and spend more time at the dealership (although my 360 has only spent about 3 weeks out of the mechanics since the end of March this year, so I'm getting used to that anyway).
It won't fit in my garage, and would have to be parked on the drive - but then, I don't think a 458 would either.

Obviously, as previously stated - a test drive is essential and could change my mind, but the car I WANT is definitely a McLaren.

My main issue at the moment is that I'm a lazy sod, and the prospect of selling two cars seems like far more hassle than I can be bothered with right now. Maybe I should try and do a 2 for 1 deal somewhere!

[RT964]

davek_964 said:

My main issue at the moment is that I'm a lazy sod, and the prospect of selling two cars seems like far more hassle than I can be bothered with right now. Maybe I should try and do a 2 for 1 deal somewhere!

A friend of mine used Tootle to sell his car (Range Rover Sport) earlier this year - got a better price than he was being offered as a p/x, and he said there was very little hassle and all sorted very quickly. May be worth a look ?

[davek_964]

RT964 said:

A friend of mine used Tootle to sell his car (Range Rover Sport) earlier this year - got a better price than he was being offered as a p/x, and he said there was very little hassle and all sorted very quickly. May be worth a look ?

Thanks - I'll take a look.

[Roof down]

davek_964 said:

Roof down said:

But for gods sake just bloody enjoy now, if you have to ask about future prices don’t bloody buy one. Cancer comes knocking on the doors of many friends I know without warning.

I think that's a fairly simplistic view. Everybody knows that cars (usually) lose money, but even so - most people buy a car expecting to get some percentage of their capital back when they come to sell, and different people can afford to lose more than others. And seeing previous owners say they lost £50k in 6 months of 720 ownership is a tad scary.

However, having said all of that :

I think all of us still have a bit of the kid in us who wanted the poster of the Countach or whatever on their bedroom wall. And for me, that kid wants a McLaren far more than a 458. I accept that it will probably lose more money, I accept that it will probably have more niggles and spend more time at the dealership (although my 360 has only spent about 3 weeks out of the mechanics since the end of March this year, so I'm getting used to that anyway).
It won't fit in my garage, and would have to be parked on the drive - but then, I don't think a 458 would either.

Obviously, as previously stated - a test drive is essential and could change my mind, but the car I WANT is definitely a McLaren.

My main issue at the moment is that I'm a lazy sod, and the prospect of selling two cars seems like far more hassle than I can be bothered with right now. Maybe I should try and do a 2 for 1 deal somewhere!

I was being a little tongue in cheek, of course none of us want to lose money, if I think about how much I have lost over the years I can get quite remorseful.
But its not as much as some that I know, I actually think the McClaren 720 is a smashing piece of kit, the one Lando Norris drove during the Silverstone weekend is very tasty, Mike

[RT964]

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I was being a little tongue in cheek, of course none of us want to lose money, if I think about how much I have lost over the years I can get quite remorseful.
But its not as much as some that I know, I actually think the McClaren 720 is a smashing piece of kit, the one Lando Norris drove during the Silverstone weekend is very tasty, Mike

Is that the one with the optional MSO Gravel Pack ?!

[Roof down]

RT964 said:

Is that the one with the optional MSO Gravel Pack ?!

Yes thats the one! I thought it looked fantastic, the abuse of it though in the gravel trap.

[RT964]

Roof down said:

Yes thats the one! I thought it looked fantastic, the abuse of it though in the gravel trap.

And there was me thinking that Mclaren were never going to build an off-road vehicle ?!?!

I agree, the 720s is a fabulous looking car, and is almost in the range of my man maths calculator, however I think I’ll start with a 570s as the replacement for my 964. Have thought about a Lambo or Ferrari and not sure either really float my boat at the moment however will try a 458 as well as it would be rude not to

[Kyodo]

davek_964 said:

It won't fit in my garage, and would have to be parked on the drive - but then, I don't think a 458 would either.

So, you're talking about spending over 100k but wont spend a few hundred quid widening your garage by a teeny bit!

[Roof down]

I have said earlier I would personally have a 458 over a Mclaren, but, I would certainly have the 720s in yellow over any Ferrari.
First Mclaren to float my boat.

[davek_964]

Kyodo said:

davek_964 said:

It won't fit in my garage, and would have to be parked on the drive - but then, I don't think a 458 would either.

So, you're talking about spending over 100k but wont spend a few hundred quid widening your garage by a teeny bit!

It's a concrete prefab garage.

If you can find somebody to make that wider for a few hundred quid, send them my way! I'll be generous - they can have £500.

[davek_964]

I think that tomorrow, I'm going to visit McLaren Ascot to have a good look at their cars. They have 650s and 570s advertised, so I will be able to talk to them about both.
I would like to arrange a test drive - not necessarily tomorrow - to see if I really like the cars, and I intend to take my 360 to see what they would give me as a part ex. I don't expect it to be particularly tempting - but we'll see.

I simply can't bring myself to go through the hassle of trying to sell my 360 / Vantage and probably Alfa Spider too before going car shopping. So I'm currently thinking of an alternative approach :

Set the budget to ~£120k (which rules out 458s anway).
Have a serious talk with McLaren and test drive the cars to see if I REALLY want one.
Sell or p-ex the 360, and add a big chunk of cash to buy the McLaren.

Then sell the Aston / Alfa to put some of the money back.....

I kind of hope I get a test drive and don't like it - it would be a lot less complicated!

[The Surveyor]

Enjoy the test drive and don't be afraid to push push push for a deal.

I love my 570s, it's been brilliant over the last 2 years and has been a joy to own, but... it's been out since late 2015 and there will be a new one coming out soon, and the dealers look to have a large stock of new / nearly new cars so don't be shy about pushing for a deal, or spreading your net over the whole dealer network.

The 570s is less sophisticated than the 650s, slightly less brutal on the acceleration and it doesn't have the same amazing cross-linked hydraulic suspension and active aero, for me that made the 570s a less terrifying drive and (and on the basis that simpler = cheaper) a less terrifying ownership proposition.

Oh and be warned, they really are as good as the 5* reviews suggest... enjoy