Supercars: becoming mass market

Supercars: becoming mass market

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MDL111

6,975 posts

178 months

Friday 12th July 2019
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Nano2nd said:
Bo_apex said:
Easy credit has changed the game.
have you got any evidence to support that statement? just how "easy" is it to get a loan for £100-300k ?
Well, I don’t have any empirical study, but it was very easy for me to finance 80 percent of my last used supercar via Ferrari at less than 4% pa (120k euros) - I am not sure that was possible 20 years ago

Nano2nd

3,426 posts

257 months

Friday 12th July 2019
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MDL111 said:
Well, I don’t have any empirical study, but it was very easy for me to finance 80 percent of my last used supercar via Ferrari at less than 4% pa (120k euros) - I am not sure that was possible 20 years ago
so did they lend you more than you could afford then? did they not credit check you?

andrew

9,973 posts

193 months

Friday 12th July 2019
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Nano2nd said:
Bo_apex said:
Easy credit has changed the game.
have you got any evidence to support that statement? just how "easy" is it to get a loan for £100-300k ?
ridiculously easy
history will look back on recent years with incredulity

Ferruccio

1,837 posts

120 months

Friday 12th July 2019
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andrew said:
Nano2nd said:
Bo_apex said:
Easy credit has changed the game.
have you got any evidence to support that statement? just how "easy" is it to get a loan for £100-300k ?
ridiculously easy
history will look back on recent years with incredulity
Supercars used to be bought for cash.
If you talk to dealers now they say that 90% of purchases are financed.

andrew

9,973 posts

193 months

Saturday 13th July 2019
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Ferruccio said:
andrew said:
Nano2nd said:
Bo_apex said:
Easy credit has changed the game.
have you got any evidence to support that statement? just how "easy" is it to get a loan for £100-300k ?
ridiculously easy
history will look back on recent years with incredulity
Supercars used to be bought for cash.
If you talk to dealers now they say that 90% of purchases are financed.
at least 91% of all new cars smile
https://www.fla.org.uk/research/motor-finance/

KenC

691 posts

236 months

Saturday 13th July 2019
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andrew said:
Is there any wonder when so many offer a finance contribution? How many of these are cancelled within the cooling off period or early into the loan term? I've recently bought a car where the finance contribution was more than the amount of the loan I had to take to get it. Contribution was nearly £7k and had to borrow under £6k over 12 months so minimal interest and will let it run the term but would have been a cash buyer otherwise.

Nano2nd

3,426 posts

257 months

Saturday 13th July 2019
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andrew said:
Nano2nd said:
Bo_apex said:
Easy credit has changed the game.
have you got any evidence to support that statement? just how "easy" is it to get a loan for £100-300k ?
ridiculously easy
history will look back on recent years with incredulity
i still don't get it, how can it be ridiculously easy to borrow that much money? what are the repayments on a £200k Ferrari? i can't believe any old scrote can walk into a Ferrari dealer and just get an "easy" loan

Ferruccio

1,837 posts

120 months

Sunday 14th July 2019
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Nano2nd said:
andrew said:
Nano2nd said:
Bo_apex said:
Easy credit has changed the game.
have you got any evidence to support that statement? just how "easy" is it to get a loan for £100-300k ?
ridiculously easy
history will look back on recent years with incredulity
i still don't get it, how can it be ridiculously easy to borrow that much money? what are the repayments on a £200k Ferrari? i can't believe any old scrote can walk into a Ferrari dealer and just get an "easy" loan
Yes. There is a regulatory obligation for all lending to be affordable by the borrower.
If it isn’t, that’s a problem for the lender.

Spindoctor

785 posts

201 months

Sunday 14th July 2019
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Point is, you don't need to slap a huge wad of cash down to buy a car nowadays. The combination of loads of finance wheezes plus historically low interest costs means people are financing cars mostly out of cashflow. They may be able to 'afford' it but some people may not be tucking much away for a rainy day, or an old age. Fine, that's personal choice.

crimbo

1,308 posts

229 months

Sunday 14th July 2019
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Nano2nd said:
andrew said:
Nano2nd said:
Bo_apex said:
Easy credit has changed the game.
have you got any evidence to support that statement? just how "easy" is it to get a loan for £100-300k ?
ridiculously easy
history will look back on recent years with incredulity
I still don't get it, how can it be ridiculously easy to borrow that much money? what are the repayments on a £200k Ferrari? i can't believe any old scrote can walk into a Ferrari dealer and just get an "easy" loan
£1200 pm on a 260k aventador s with 60k deposit 24 MONTH interest only.

£1300pm on a 145k Huracan with 15k deposit 36 month, 100k balloon.

ColdoRS

1,806 posts

128 months

Sunday 14th July 2019
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crimbo said:
Nano2nd said:
andrew said:
Nano2nd said:
Bo_apex said:
Easy credit has changed the game.
have you got any evidence to support that statement? just how "easy" is it to get a loan for £100-300k ?
ridiculously easy
history will look back on recent years with incredulity
I still don't get it, how can it be ridiculously easy to borrow that much money? what are the repayments on a £200k Ferrari? i can't believe any old scrote can walk into a Ferrari dealer and just get an "easy" loan
£1200 pm on a 260k aventador s with 60k deposit 24 MONTH interest only.

£1300pm on a 145k Huracan with 15k deposit 36 month, 100k balloon.
Both terrible financial decisions but wow at how ‘cheap’ it can be to get into a supercar.

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 14th July 2019
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Nano2nd said:
i still don't get it, how can it be ridiculously easy to borrow that much money? what are the repayments on a £200k Ferrari? i can't believe any old scrote can walk into a Ferrari dealer and just get an "easy" loan
Because it's a loan to purchase an asset. If you default, they recover the asset. They also have the deposit which will cover depreciation for the first year. Little risk from the lenders point-of-view. It’s not so easy to get a ‘cash’ loan, unless there is security against it, such as a house or other valuable asset.

Bo_apex

2,568 posts

219 months

Monday 15th July 2019
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Nano2nd said:
Bo_apex said:
Easy credit has changed the game.
have you got any evidence to support that statement? just how "easy" is it to get a loan for £100-300k ?
Yes.

Easy for many.

Not sure whether easy credit is healthy for society's values as a whole though

notax

2,091 posts

240 months

Monday 15th July 2019
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I have a decent income and a history of buying supercars on finance and I have just been offered a £300k loan to buy a McLaren at a relatively low APR with zero deposit from my car finance chap. Cost was about £2800pm...

As you get older and earn more the cost of everything falls, my younger colleagues were incredulous a few years ago when I was paying £300pa to insure my F355 fully comp compared to them spending over £2k pa to insure their Corsas...

MDL111

6,975 posts

178 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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Nano2nd said:
MDL111 said:
Well, I don’t have any empirical study, but it was very easy for me to finance 80 percent of my last used supercar via Ferrari at less than 4% pa (120k euros) - I am not sure that was possible 20 years ago
so did they lend you more than you could afford then? did they not credit check you?
I can't remember details, but I don't think they asked for any information re my financial position/bank etc.

sparta6

3,699 posts

101 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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Nano2nd said:
i still don't get it, how can it be ridiculously easy to borrow that much money? what are the repayments on a £200k Ferrari? i can't believe any old scrote can walk into a Ferrari dealer and just get an "easy" loan
if you still feel in the dark, and are properly interested, you are free to conduct your own research and pick up the phone to one of the many car finance companies.

Some of them even advertise on PH



p1stonhead

25,576 posts

168 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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ColdoRS said:
crimbo said:
Nano2nd said:
andrew said:
Nano2nd said:
Bo_apex said:
Easy credit has changed the game.
have you got any evidence to support that statement? just how "easy" is it to get a loan for £100-300k ?
ridiculously easy
history will look back on recent years with incredulity
I still don't get it, how can it be ridiculously easy to borrow that much money? what are the repayments on a £200k Ferrari? i can't believe any old scrote can walk into a Ferrari dealer and just get an "easy" loan
£1200 pm on a 260k aventador s with 60k deposit 24 MONTH interest only.

£1300pm on a 145k Huracan with 15k deposit 36 month, 100k balloon.
Both terrible financial decisions but wow at how ‘cheap’ it can be to get into a supercar.
Indeed. The huracan especially.

£62k for three years in a Huracan. A new £100k M5/AMG would lose more probably.

andrew

9,973 posts

193 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
quotequote all
MDL111 said:
Nano2nd said:
MDL111 said:
Well, I don’t have any empirical study, but it was very easy for me to finance 80 percent of my last used supercar via Ferrari at less than 4% pa (120k euros) - I am not sure that was possible 20 years ago
so did they lend you more than you could afford then? did they not credit check you?
I can't remember details, but I don't think they asked for any information re my financial position/bank etc.
20 years ago in the good old days, barclays gave us a mortgage for 30x joint income

p1stonhead

25,576 posts

168 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
quotequote all
andrew said:
MDL111 said:
Nano2nd said:
MDL111 said:
Well, I don’t have any empirical study, but it was very easy for me to finance 80 percent of my last used supercar via Ferrari at less than 4% pa (120k euros) - I am not sure that was possible 20 years ago
so did they lend you more than you could afford then? did they not credit check you?
I can't remember details, but I don't think they asked for any information re my financial position/bank etc.
20 years ago in the good old days, barclays gave us a mortgage for 30x joint income
30?!

andrew

9,973 posts

193 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
quotequote all
p1stonhead said:
andrew said:
MDL111 said:
Nano2nd said:
MDL111 said:
Well, I don’t have any empirical study, but it was very easy for me to finance 80 percent of my last used supercar via Ferrari at less than 4% pa (120k euros) - I am not sure that was possible 20 years ago
so did they lend you more than you could afford then? did they not credit check you?
I can't remember details, but I don't think they asked for any information re my financial position/bank etc.
20 years ago in the good old days, barclays gave us a mortgage for 30x joint income
30?!
30x
plus 50k on the credit cards