McLaren 720s at £130,000

[Crazy4557]

AndrewD said:

It sounds great - either with roof off or with the rear screen open, as the exhausts aren’t far from your ears. It’s not a high pitched howl but it gets the hairs tingling and adds to the sense of speed and excitement. And then there are the pops and cracks and occasionally the flames

I was very sceptical about McL but they offered some great deals late last year and I’ve been bowled over by the car. There are some drawbacks - it has so many nooks and crannies and cleaning it takes forever. And the scissor doors trap stones and road grime at the bottom so I can imagine that being a source of rust. But very little else to complain about really.

I don't think there's any metal down there to rust, mine has the same habit but it's either fibreglass/polyester or carbon. Can't image rusty sills like my old Fiesta from 98

[andrew]

AndrewD said:

And the scissor doors trap stones and road grime at the bottom so I can imagine that being a source of rust. But very little else to complain about really.

maybe you could spend less time parking in dusty lay-bys ?

[AndrewD]

andrew said:

AndrewD said:

And the scissor doors trap stones and road grime at the bottom so I can imagine that being a source of rust. But very little else to complain about really.

maybe you could spend less time parking in dusty lay-bys ?

Are you coming on to me again sweetie?

[br d]

That stone trap drives me mad as well, so much crap builds up there. I always forget and ruin a decent microfiber!

[scotty1]

JulierPass said:

I own several GT cars. I got to have an extensive drive including a good 30 min session round spa in a 600LT last summer. They are hands down better than a GT3. There seems to be an obsession with a large % of GT3 owners regarding values which makes you wonder if they depreciated like other super cars if they would be as popular? In any case i will be shopping for a Mac in the near future. I think they are a fantastic used buy and I think most people who knock them simply haven’t driven one!

Have to agree the 600 is way better than the 991.1 GT3. Cant speak for the Gen2 but cant imagine that's streets ahead. Obviously new the 600 is way dearer so should in theory at least be a better car. Given the price comparisons now in the second hand market the Mcl just makes so much more sense.

I have to agree the values will drive people toward the Porsche but they are ultimately missing out on a brilliant drive, but maybe saving a few quid, who knows.

My only gripe is the MCL warranty costs. Ive still got a couple years left on mine but 7.5k for a 2 year warranty is excessive when compared to Porsche.

[PompeyReece]

scotty1 said:

My only gripe is the MCL warranty costs. Ive still got a couple years left on mine but 7.5k for a 2 year warranty is excessive when compared to Porsche.

But are you comparing apples with apples? Thought the Mac warranty covered a lot more than other marques?

Edited by PompeyReece on Tuesday 21st April 11:03

[scotty1]

AndrewD said:

It sounds great - either with roof off or with the rear screen open, as the exhausts aren’t far from your ears. It’s not a high pitched howl but it gets the hairs tingling and adds to the sense of speed and excitement. And then there are the pops and cracks and occasionally the flames

I was very sceptical about McL but they offered some great deals late last year and I’ve been bowled over by the car. There are some drawbacks - it has so many nooks and crannies and cleaning it takes forever. And the scissor doors trap stones and road grime at the bottom so I can imagine that being a source of rust. But very little else to complain about really.

The sound is not out of this world but does sound good. Those downshift pops and bangs create instant child like grins. (for me anyway)

[ghost83]

scotty1 said:

Have to agree the 600 is way better than the 991.1 GT3. Cant speak for the Gen2 but cant imagine that's streets ahead. Obviously new the 600 is way dearer so should in theory at least be a better car. Given the price comparisons now in the second hand market the Mcl just makes so much more sense.

I have to agree the values will drive people toward the Porsche but they are ultimately missing out on a brilliant drive, but maybe saving a few quid, who knows.

My only gripe is the MCL warranty costs. Ive still got a couple years left on mine but 7.5k for a 2 year warranty is excessive when compared to Porsche.

I thought a mcl warranty on a sports series was 2500 per year

[scotty1]

ghost83 said:

I thought a mcl warranty on a sports series was 2500 per year

I think the Porsche warranty covers everything based on discussion I had with them at the time. Didnt read the small print so could be wrong.

The quote I got from Mcl was £3980 for one year and £7590 for two years. Would definitely be happy to be corrected though.

[ghost83]

scotty1 said:

I think the Porsche warranty covers everything based on discussion I had with them at the time. Didnt read the small print so could be wrong.

The quote I got from Mcl was £3980 for one year and £7590 for two years. Would definitely be happy to be corrected though.

Just googled: might be out of date though, are they quoting you super series prices on a sports series?

Edited by ghost83 on Tuesday 21st April 11:09

[Trev450]

Not sure if the MCL warranty requires genuine parts replacement, but with Porsche that even extends to consummables such as wiper blades and batteries.

[sparta6]

AndrewD said:

It sounds great - either with roof off or with the rear screen open, as the exhausts aren’t far from your ears. It’s not a high pitched howl but it gets the hairs tingling and adds to the sense of speed and excitement. And then there are the pops and cracks and occasionally the flames

Like a Gallardo then

[The Surveyor]

ghost83 said:

scotty1 said:

I think the Porsche warranty covers everything based on discussion I had with them at the time. Didnt read the small print so could be wrong.

The quote I got from Mcl was £3980 for one year and £7590 for two years. Would definitely be happy to be corrected though.

Just googled: might be out of date though, are they quoting you super series prices on a sports series?

Edited by ghost83 on Tuesday 21st April 11:09

Those are the current prices, I renewed the warranty on my 570s last week and that's what I paid.

[scotty1]

ghost83 said:

Just googled: might be out of date though, are they quoting you super series prices on a sports series?

Edited by ghost83 on Tuesday 21st April 11:09

yeah looks like she quoted me super series prices. so some good news for a change. Where did you find that table. I've googled and cant find that.

[Helicopter123]

Trev450 said:

Not sure if the MCL warranty requires genuine parts replacement, but with Porsche that even extends to consummables such as wiper blades and batteries.

It does, but it's about as comprehensive a policy as you will find and I think it represents good value.

MCL parts will be more expensive and I would expect the warranty (in this context) to also be good value.

[AndrewD]

sparta6 said:

AndrewD said:

It sounds great - either with roof off or with the rear screen open, as the exhausts aren’t far from your ears. It’s not a high pitched howl but it gets the hairs tingling and adds to the sense of speed and excitement. And then there are the pops and cracks and occasionally the flames

Like a Gallardo then

Like a Gallardo but 50% faster and nimble

[sparta6]

AndrewD said:

sparta6 said:

AndrewD said:

It sounds great - either with roof off or with the rear screen open, as the exhausts aren’t far from your ears. It’s not a high pitched howl but it gets the hairs tingling and adds to the sense of speed and excitement. And then there are the pops and cracks and occasionally the flames

Like a Gallardo then

Like a Gallardo but 50% faster and nimble

First car to the bar buys the drinks.
When the bar re-opens ofcourse

[Bispal]

anonymous said:

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Well use it more instead of just holidays then! Let me tell you from experience £5k pa for everything inc. on a 12C is a lot less than my F355 and other cars cost me in repairs every year! In 2.5 years & 14k miles all I spent on my 12C (normal running costs Insurance/tax/petrol aside) was the warranty, £1k per service and £880 on a set of tyres. And that was it, nothing else, not a penny. Making if far cheaper than some of my other cars to run.

As for the level of warranty work, and this goes for any modern supercar. McLaren build approx 5,000 cars per year and according to their own track 22 data they spend £1 billion on R&D every 6 years. So that's £166M per year or £33,000 per car. VW's R&D budget is £14.3 billion per year so they have a lot more money to spend on getting every aspect of the car tested and designed to the smallest detail.

If McLaren spent the same as VW it would add £2.86M to every McLaren taking it into Konigsegg / Bugatti territory or above. VW's R&D works out at £2,300 per car as they sell 6.24M cars a year. So if you want VW reliability with cars like McLaren's then they would cost over £2.86M each, Just like a Bugatti strangely enough! Just because a supercar retails at £200k does not mean it will have the reliability of a VW or Toyota. The cost of a car is no indication of reliability, its the cost of R&D that impacts on the reliability and that's why a VW or Toyota are usually more reliable than most supercars. Most owners understand this and its something Lotus &TVR owners have managed to work around for decades while still enjoying their cars.

[Helicopter123]

anonymous said:

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That's a really interesting read. I think as well many of the components used will be more expensive, lighter, bespoke which bumps up the replacement cost and hence warranty costs.

[likesachange]

Bispal said:

Well use it more instead of just holidays then! Let me tell you from experience £5k pa for everything inc. on a 12C is a lot less than my F355 and other cars cost me in repairs every year! In 2.5 years & 14k miles all I spent on my 12C (normal running costs Insurance/tax/petrol aside) was the warranty, £1k per service and £880 on a set of tyres. And that was it, nothing else, not a penny. Making if far cheaper than some of my other cars to run.

As for the level of warranty work, and this goes for any modern supercar. McLaren build approx 5,000 cars per year and according to their own track 22 data they spend £1 billion on R&D every 6 years. So that's £166M per year or £33,000 per car. VW's R&D budget is £14.3 billion per year so they have a lot more money to spend on getting every aspect of the car tested and designed to the smallest detail.

If McLaren spent the same as VW it would add £2.86M to every McLaren taking it into Konigsegg / Bugatti territory or above. VW's R&D works out at £2,300 per car as they sell 6.24M cars a year. So if you want VW reliability with cars like McLaren's then they would cost over £2.86M each, Just like a Bugatti strangely enough! Just because a supercar retails at £200k does not mean it will have the reliability of a VW or Toyota. The cost of a car is no indication of reliability, its the cost of R&D that impacts on the reliability and that's why a VW or Toyota are usually more reliable than most supercars. Most owners understand this and its something Lotus &TVR owners have managed to work around for decades while still enjoying their cars.

Yup. When you put it like that its all very reasonable imo.

Having owned TVR, Ariel Atom, Exige etc all have had niggles and would this put me off buying another.. Not at all. Its all relative whatever the budget. All could go wrong and probably at worst cost 30% of cars value to fix! And for the sake of 5k a year warranty on a 80k car which would give it complete piece of mind I think is spot on.

PS I have just followed you on IG