Collecting Cars auction results

[9Elfer]

JaseB said:

The Escort has now disappeared from the CC sold section, I guess they must be paying attention...

Wow indeed..: that is dodgy as heck.

When will the 812 disappear?

[ferdi p]

9Elfer said:

I think they try to copy it off a BaT style platform but its worse than ebay.

For a £20-30k car, <10 years old, I can see how it makes sense.

I can't wrap around how people can buy classic cars through this platform without arrange a viewing on inspection. You wouldn't do it on ebay, autotrader, or a private advert, what's happening here that's led all the buyers to have supreme confidence?

Great platform for sellers though.

It will only be a great platform for sellers if they are transparent & honest, If not, buyers will not trust the site & CC will disappear as quickly as it arrived.

[kevinon]

Having read through this thread I am kind of in awe at how CC manage to run this.
To be fair, they have an exceptional copywriter - every car is given a tablet of Moses reverence.
And the pics are beautiful.

But it seems like they want the best of both worlds. A good commission rate. AND deniability. As they just gussy-up what the vendor says, **they** have not misdescribed. If something is misdescribed, it's the horrible vendor, not CC. Deniability.

But as you folks have highlighted, there seems to be some very odd goings-on in regards to sales, sales prices, who's bidding, who's the owner. It doesn't seem like a good site for Chris Harris to be associated with, in my humble opinion.

[Cheib]

I had a car PPI’d that was on CC recently. It was a “Managed” sale but I couldn’t view it because it was in Holland. Car was a good car but there were a couple of very obvious things which weren’t shown on the photo’s which if I had bought the car sight unseen would have pissed me off. Not massive issues but the kind of things that will cost a but of money but more importantly mean the car is off the road for two or three weeks while they are fixed. This was a “Managed” sale by Differs who pair up with International Collectibles on their normal car sales and are now selling cars on CC on behalf of their clients. So no excuse for not showing the cars condition in detail and you would expect given they would make sure everything was declared.

[GT4RS]

Cheib said:

I had a car PPI’d that was on CC recently. It was a “Managed” sale but I couldn’t view it because it was in Holland. Car was a good car but there were a couple of very obvious things which weren’t shown on the photo’s which if I had bought the car sight unseen would have pissed me off. Not massive issues but the kind of things that will cost a but of money but more importantly mean the car is off the road for two or three weeks while they are fixed. This was a “Managed” sale by Differs who pair up with International Collectibles on their normal car sales and are now selling cars on CC on behalf of their clients. So no excuse for not showing the cars condition in detail and you would expect given they would make sure everything was declared.

It’s not just CC who do this, a low mileage white 997 gt3 CS currently for sale at a independent isn’t as pretty as the pictures on the web site.

This is why it is so important to view before you buy.

[anonymous-user]

9Elfer said:

I would be very very cautious bidding cars that are classics or where it requires inspection. People are very cautious buying cars on eBay, I don’t understand why they aren’t on collectingcars..

Buddy of mine checked this car out and it was a total fake (was a restamped vin)

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1972-porsche-9...

Basically I would treat collectingcars no different from eBay...

They need to be very careful when there are sentences like this in the “about us” section:

“Our platform provides a safe, smart and simple online auction experience where sellers can have confidence in the bidding and buyers can have confidence in the cars.”

It’s implied that the cars are always described accurately, at the very least. I don’t think I’d blame someone for getting whipped up in the presentation and language used throughout. But you are right - no different to ebay.

[9Elfer]

Upcoming ones to look out for..

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2019-porsche-9...

seller ‘managed’ = dealer/trade selling with no consumer protection rights?

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2018-aston-mar...

This car was on the IC site, now selling private?

Current auctions..

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2000-ferrari-5...

550 selling as ‘managed’ type seller? Does the site have a contract with the car owner to sell the car then?

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1973-porsche-9...

Another internationalcollectibles car selling as ‘managed’.


If I’m just paranoid then that’s ok but I feel the site/platform is no different from eBay yet the fees are much more and the cars seem to be advertised much better than is, but it’s not the CC platform problem, it’s the sellers who are misrepresenting, yes.

Never buy unseen uninspected, unless you are planning to part with that money from nothing.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1972-porsche-9...

I sincerely hope this ‘sold’ was actually not real (like a few others on the Cc site). The would be buyer would at least be down £60/80k sadly. This 911s was a total fake/rebodied 911T car..
Even an owner from the 70s came up and said he owned and car and it was a 911T..

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[9Elfer]

Cheib said:

I had a car PPI’d that was on CC recently. It was a “Managed” sale but I couldn’t view it because it was in Holland. Car was a good car but there were a couple of very obvious things which weren’t shown on the photo’s which if I had bought the car sight unseen would have pissed me off. Not massive issues but the kind of things that will cost a but of money but more importantly mean the car is off the road for two or three weeks while they are fixed. This was a “Managed” sale by Differs who pair up with International Collectibles on their normal car sales and are now selling cars on CC on behalf of their clients. So no excuse for not showing the cars condition in detail and you would expect given they would make sure everything was declared.

Good call for doing the PPI.

How does the managed sale work? The dealer sells/markets the car but the buyer isn’t protected by and trade dealer selling rights?

That sounds like bending around the rules to circumvent consumer rights.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

9Elfer said:

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1972-porsche-9...

I sincerely hope this ‘sold’ was actually not real (like a few others on the Cc site). The would be buyer would at least be down £60/80k sadly. This 911s was a total fake/rebodied 911T car..
Even an owner from the 70s came up and said he owned and car and it was a 911T..

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

I remember that thread, although my conclusion was completely opposite to yours, it was a genuine 2.4S

[GT4RS]

9Elfer said:

Cheib said:

I had a car PPI’d that was on CC recently. It was a “Managed” sale but I couldn’t view it because it was in Holland. Car was a good car but there were a couple of very obvious things which weren’t shown on the photo’s which if I had bought the car sight unseen would have pissed me off. Not massive issues but the kind of things that will cost a but of money but more importantly mean the car is off the road for two or three weeks while they are fixed. This was a “Managed” sale by Differs who pair up with International Collectibles on their normal car sales and are now selling cars on CC on behalf of their clients. So no excuse for not showing the cars condition in detail and you would expect given they would make sure everything was declared.

Good call for doing the PPI.

How does the managed sale work? The dealer sells/markets the car but the buyer isn’t protected by and trade dealer selling rights?

That sounds like bending around the rules to circumvent consumer rights.

Very much so.

IMO this doesn’t say much about the integrity of the people who own CC our their other businesses.

CC need to start showing final bids when a vehicle is not sold, presenting the cars accurately and not using it as a way to move trade vehicles which could be passed off as a private sale vehicle.

[9Elfer]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

I remember that thread, although my conclusion was completely opposite to yours, it was a genuine 2.4S

I think the fact that the car originally was specced with a sunroof and then sold here without, plus the history about engines floating around, all smells funny..

[9Elfer]

GT4RS said:

Very much so.

IMO this doesn’t say much about the integrity of the people who own CC our their other businesses.

CC need to start showing final bids when a vehicle is not sold, presenting the cars accurately and not using it as a way to move trade vehicles which could be passed off as a private sale vehicle.

Your points here echo mine precisely. I think the idea of the platform was good but the execution has been far from genuine.

Moderator edit: no potentially defamatory comments please.

[Cheib]

9Elfer said:

Your points here echo mine precisely. I think the idea of the platform was good but the execution has been far from genuine.

You’re forgetting cars that magically disappear during the auction process.

There’s nothing going on with this site that doesn’t go on in the car trade but they need to cut out the games and provide total transparency. They’ll have a much more valuable business if they do. If they don’t someone like BaT will come along and blow them out of the water.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

9Elfer said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

I remember that thread, although my conclusion was completely opposite to yours, it was a genuine 2.4S

I think the fact that the car originally was specced with a sunroof and then sold here without, plus the history about engines floating around, all smells funny..

That doesn't sound very fair, claiming someone's car is a fake because you think it smells funny.

[9Elfer]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

That doesn't sound very fair, claiming someone's car is a fake because you think it smells funny.

Buddy of mine took a look at this car (not from this seller) a few year ago and the vin was quite obviously not original. Nothing wrong with a rebodied car from 1972, but it should be advertised as such. Or maybe the seller wasn’t aware?

[LaurasOtherHalf]

9Elfer said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

That doesn't sound very fair, claiming someone's car is a fake because you think it smells funny.

Buddy of mine took a look at this car (not from this seller) a few year ago and the vin was quite obviously not original. Nothing wrong with a rebodied car from 1972, but it should be advertised as such. Or maybe the seller wasn’t aware?

Well there you go, some long dormant PH profile claims his buddy said so after not posting for how years What other proof do you need?

[GT4RS]

9Elfer said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

That doesn't sound very fair, claiming someone's car is a fake because you think it smells funny.

Buddy of mine took a look at this car (not from this seller) a few year ago and the vin was quite obviously not original. Nothing wrong with a rebodied car from 1972, but it should be advertised as such. Or maybe the seller wasn’t aware?

Anyone buying a car like that should / would of get it professionally inspected before hand, far to many bad examples out there.

[GT4RS]

Another fishy one is the 550 Ferrari currently bid to 60k, it’s not being sold buy the owner, nor by a registered motor trader. Apparently it’s been sold on behalf of the owner who could quite easily be a dealer by a car storage facility.

Sounds like a trader trying to offload stock with issues if you ask me.

Edited by GT4RS on Monday 12th October 22:42

[LaurasOtherHalf]

How much did Harry/Hamond’s old 550 get to?

[bish_345]

GT4RS said:

Another fishy one is the 550 Ferrari currently bid to 60k, it’s not being sold buy the owner, nor by a registered motor trader. Apparently it’s been sold on behalf of the owner who could quite easily be a dealer by a car storage facility.

Sounds like a trader trying to offload stock with issues if you ask me.

Edited by GT4RS on Monday 12th October 22:42

Or it could just as easily be that the owner of the 550 is a British expat who lives in Hong Kong and stores the car with the storage facility and wants to sell it and asked the storage facility to handle it for him as he's currently on the other side of the world...