Collecting Cars auction results
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jeremyc said:
They're simply against the forum rules. No surprise that they are being deleted.
Not entirely true,Nothing that was being posted was other than the truth as far as I could fathom out.
It is mainly Edward Lovetts posts that have gone presumably removed by himself as he began to lose the arguments.
What it has left is responses made to Edwards comments but his post has disappeared, looks ridiculous now.
Edward asked if folks thought CC was a scam and he got his answer from many disgruntled users of CC .
All in all it has exposed the inherent Risk that buyers are subjected to and the unscrupulous tactics used by CC on private sellers
ferrisbueller said:
MAC 720S said:
May be coincidental, but there’s now a ‘Collecting Cars APAC Limited’ (Asia Pacific) incorporated last month, owned by ‘Collecting Cars Limited’. There’s also US and EU designated companies that have been incorporated, all ultimately owned by Lovett and someone named Edmonston.
"Someone" is pretty well known around these parts.
Come back and fix things Dave!
Rocketreid said:
jeremyc said:
They're simply against the forum rules. No surprise that they are being deleted.
Not entirely true,Nothing that was being posted was other than the truth as far as I could fathom out.
It is mainly Edward Lovetts posts that have gone presumably removed by himself as he began to lose the arguments.
What it has left is responses made to Edwards comments but his post has disappeared, looks ridiculous now.
Edward asked if folks thought CC was a scam and he got his answer from many disgruntled users of CC .
All in all it has exposed the inherent Risk that buyers are subjected to and the unscrupulous tactics used by CC on private sellers
The posts that I was referring to were made on here.
fridaypassion said:
CC are just an auction house.
Are they an auction house or just an advertising platform? I think that is one of the issues. This is an open thread which I imagine is monitored by CC. They can post responses if they wish. Being in business selling to the public means dealing with the public, including receiving negative feedback. I don't see anything unfair or wrong with that in principle.
I seen CC saying on their FB page rather than risk paying £6000 and not liking the car when you go to collect it you're welcome to go view it or have it inspected before hand.
If I travel around the country and spend an entire day going to see a car at a dealership I know if I like it I can 99% get a deal done that very same day, deposit paid and go home happy.
Theres no way I'm going to waste the time/money of traveling around to view cars on the off chance I can then win an auction for them later.
I'd use them to sell a car but there's not a chance in hell I'd buy on there.
If I travel around the country and spend an entire day going to see a car at a dealership I know if I like it I can 99% get a deal done that very same day, deposit paid and go home happy.
Theres no way I'm going to waste the time/money of traveling around to view cars on the off chance I can then win an auction for them later.
I'd use them to sell a car but there's not a chance in hell I'd buy on there.
will_ said:
fridaypassion said:
CC are just an auction house.
Are they an auction house or just an advertising platform? I think that is one of the issues. This is an open thread which I imagine is monitored by CC. They can post responses if they wish. Being in business selling to the public means dealing with the public, including receiving negative feedback. I don't see anything unfair or wrong with that in principle.
The way they operate from a legal standpoint is clearly different.
Bonhams, for example, and CC buyers and sellers have very different rights and obligations.
I feel some of the comments here are a little unfair and inaccurate. For instance; CC do not charge £6000. This is their maximum fee for cars over £100,000 in value. The fee starts at £300.
Both buyer and seller have some risk for sure but it is impossible to completely remove risk for any transaction in life. I assume most users of their service are quite happy as CC have sustained their business for some time now and are even in the process of expanding. I've not used their service yet (in the process as I type this), but before taking the decision to proceed, I asked numerous people in the know and all highly recommended the services CC offer. Once my auctions end and I've gone through the complete process, I'll give my full feedback but so far they have been very professional and helpful. The guy I've been dealing with is Ben Adams and I can't fault anything thus far.
Perhaps if you consider a little from their perspective, it makes a more sense. They put all the up front costs into the deal (advertising, agent spending time going through the process, numerous phone calls, arranging photographer, writing text, staff wages, website...). If the deal falls through for whatever reason, it is understandable that CC want to be paid for their efforts and expense especially so as the reason for the failed transaction is most likely not their fault.
I am not taking sides here guys and should my auctions go t1t5 up then I'll be open here about why. But as it stands, I see no reason to doubt the integrity of their service and would happily recommend them to others.
Both buyer and seller have some risk for sure but it is impossible to completely remove risk for any transaction in life. I assume most users of their service are quite happy as CC have sustained their business for some time now and are even in the process of expanding. I've not used their service yet (in the process as I type this), but before taking the decision to proceed, I asked numerous people in the know and all highly recommended the services CC offer. Once my auctions end and I've gone through the complete process, I'll give my full feedback but so far they have been very professional and helpful. The guy I've been dealing with is Ben Adams and I can't fault anything thus far.
Perhaps if you consider a little from their perspective, it makes a more sense. They put all the up front costs into the deal (advertising, agent spending time going through the process, numerous phone calls, arranging photographer, writing text, staff wages, website...). If the deal falls through for whatever reason, it is understandable that CC want to be paid for their efforts and expense especially so as the reason for the failed transaction is most likely not their fault.
I am not taking sides here guys and should my auctions go t1t5 up then I'll be open here about why. But as it stands, I see no reason to doubt the integrity of their service and would happily recommend them to others.
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
Both buyer and seller have some risk for sure but it is impossible to completely remove risk for any transaction in life.
It seems the risk is awfully lopsided right now though. If you misrepresent your car and I bid it up to £100k I'm going to have to lose £6000 to walk away from the deal while CC say "tough luck, see T&Cs"
Can we get back to discussing the cars for sale on the site and the auction results please.
There's too many "facts" being quoted here that may, or may not, be true. Many of the comments being made breach this site's "no naming & shaming" rules and are potentially defamatory.
Get back on track, or this thread may have to be locked or removed.
(Moderator)
There's too many "facts" being quoted here that may, or may not, be true. Many of the comments being made breach this site's "no naming & shaming" rules and are potentially defamatory.
Get back on track, or this thread may have to be locked or removed.
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jeremyc said:
Can we get back to discussing the cars for sale on the site and the auction results please.
There's too many "facts" being quoted here that may, or may not, be true. Many of the comments being made breach this site's "no naming & shaming" rules and are potentially defamatory.
Get back on track, or this thread may have to be locked or removed.
(Moderator)
Is there a reason why it hasn't been removed already? It is promoting a competing service to the PH classifieds / those that pay to advertise. There's too many "facts" being quoted here that may, or may not, be true. Many of the comments being made breach this site's "no naming & shaming" rules and are potentially defamatory.
Get back on track, or this thread may have to be locked or removed.
(Moderator)
MAC 720S said:
Is there a reason why it hasn't been removed already? It is promoting a competing service to the PH classifieds / those that pay to advertise.
PH allows discussion on the forums of eBay, Amazon, AutoTrader, car dealerships and other services competitive to the classifieds section. This is no different, providing that the discussion of CC and any of the other services do not break the forum rules.Drclarke said:
I cannot see that anyone is naming and shaming, their business model is being discussed nothing more.
But it would be a shame for the thread to be closed down so others can’t see what’s been stated (as fact)
Quite correctBut it would be a shame for the thread to be closed down so others can’t see what’s been stated (as fact)
I fully understand if remarks are personal but CC are a business and by discussing their terms of business which some may disagree with is not defamatory.
It is a shame if free speech in the public interest is not respected on forums like PH.
Rocketreid said:
It is a shame if free speech in the public interest is not respected on forums like PH.
A reminder why PH doesn't allow naming & shaming.Now, back to the cars in the auction or the thread gets it.
bennno said:
Bit naive that. The majority of valuable cars at BCA have been inspected and tested by them and carry a 48 hour rejection policy, during which time you get your money back or undisclosed faults resolved.
Collecting cars is much closer in principle to eBay, but with the eBay writing the item descriptions without viewing the car and taking a cut on completion and leaving buyer and seller to sort the rest afterwards.
It’s a seemingly confused platform in terms of trade use. Zippy runs Targa Florio cars but appears to be banging out any unwanted px cars on the platform to the general public. CC really need to give this aspect some thought.
Oh Benno to be in such a fluffy bubble in which you live!Collecting cars is much closer in principle to eBay, but with the eBay writing the item descriptions without viewing the car and taking a cut on completion and leaving buyer and seller to sort the rest afterwards.
It’s a seemingly confused platform in terms of trade use. Zippy runs Targa Florio cars but appears to be banging out any unwanted px cars on the platform to the general public. CC really need to give this aspect some thought.
Moderator edit: cut out the potentially defamatory comments please
I've actually taken 5 full minutes to stop laughing at your comments regarding BCA.
For your information a few examples of what goes on behind closed doors:
People buying none runners advertised as assured
Clocked cars
Written off cars advertised as HPI clear
Cars appearing on dealer accounts that they haven't even bid on
Cars with very obvious faults such as gearboxes knackered or engines knocking
Dashboards lit up like Christmas trees on collection but not mentioned on assured reports
undeclared paint issues/poor repairs
In all of these examples dealers have had to pay for the cars with no negotiation or recourse. Its an area that is in dire need of some kind of legislation. There is no 48 hour handback! Fantasy!
So when I see the frankly pathetic criticisms leveled at CC you can see why I hold the informed opinions I do. This is the crap that trade people have to put up with.
Three further pertinent facts
I do not buy cars from auction
Unlike 99% of the poster on here I HAVE USED CC!
I should be anti CC as effectively they are competition to me but I just like the business model I like how they have set it up and the way they have managed to promote it and I wish them well in what they do.
Edited by fridaypassion on Thursday 21st January 19:26
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