Debunking the PH Supercar Badge of Honour
Discussion
Doofus said:
The OP took an awfully long time to construct a post answering a question that nobody asked him, and is likely to find out that a) nobody cares and/or b) people are grown up enough to make their own decisions about what, when and where to drive.
Side effects of the lock down combined with white privilege ;-p
carspath said:
Incidentally if you buy a car to keep , mileage and depreciation are totally irrelevant ..... and simply dont appear on the radar .
I only raise this as you've been so detailed in your evaluation of language and phrases concerning driving cars and car ownership.Edited by carspath on Wednesday 16th September 18:48
Firstly, surely this goes against your own views that a car should only be driven when "appropriate"? If you have no concern about future value, you are actually more likely to drive it when INappropriate, driving around town centres (Mayfair as you put it), putting considerable mileage on the car, getting shopping trolley dings etc because you are not thinking of residuals every time you get into the drivers seat.
Conversely, a car that is not a keeper, and is an investment, if you drive it at all you're more likely to only drive it on special occasions. Something you would seem to define as more "appropriate".
"Buying a car to keep, " aka "a keeper, " is a phrase that I have found to be mostly overused and mostly incorrect. Very very few of us would own a car for 25+ years.
That phrase "keeper" is often used prior to purchase, or in the first year of ownership, when the novelty has not warn off, the warm feelings of achievement remain and the car has not become just another fixture of your life.
I wonder how many "keepers" are sold within 5-7yrs of purchase.
Edited by TCruise on Thursday 17th September 20:56
TCruise said:
carspath said:
Incidentally if you buy a car to keep , mileage and depreciation are totally irrelevant ..... and simply dont appear on the radar .
I only raise this as you've been so detailed in your evaluation of language and phrases concerning driving cars and car ownership.Edited by carspath on Wednesday 16th September 18:48
Firstly, surely this goes against your own views that a car should only be driven when "appropriate"? If you have no concern about future value, you are actually more likely to drive it when INappropriate, driving around town centres (Mayfair as you put it), putting considerable mileage on the car, getting shopping trolley dings etc because you are not thinking of residuals every time you get into the drivers seat.
Conversely, a car that is not a keeper, and is an investment, if you drive it at all you're more likely to only drive it on special occasions. Something you would seem to define as more "appropriate".
"Buying a car to keep, " aka "a keeper, " is a phrase that I have found to be mostly overused and mostly incorrect. Very very few of us would own a car for 25+ years.
That phrase "keeper" is often used prior to purchase, or in the first year of ownership, when the novelty has not warn off, the warm feelings of achievement remain and the car has not become just another fixture of your life.
I wonder how many "keepers" are sold within 5-7yrs of purchase.
Edited by TCruise on Thursday 17th September 20:56
TCruise said:
"Buying a car to keep, " aka "a keeper, " is a phrase that I have found to be mostly overused and mostly incorrect. Very very few of us would own a car for 25+ years.
That phrase "keeper" is often used prior to purchase, or in the first year of ownership, when the novelty has not warn off, the warm feelings of achievement remain and the car has not become just another fixture of your life.
I wonder how many "keepers" are sold within 5-7yrs of purchase.
Edited by TCruise on Thursday 17th September 20:56
I have taken a few to the dump though.
Sports cars - I bought one in 1987, 1993, 1998, 2012, 2018 and 2020. Still got them all.
I love them. Why would I sell.
TCruise.... Thank you for your considered response copied below :
( '' I only raise this as you've been so detailed in your evaluation of language and phrases concerning driving cars and car ownership.
Firstly, surely this goes against your own views that a car should only be driven when "appropriate"? If you have no concern about future value, you are actually more likely to drive it when INappropriate, driving around town centres (Mayfair as you put it), putting considerable mileage on the car, getting shopping trolley dings etc because you are not thinking of residuals every time you get into the drivers seat.
Conversely, a car that is not a keeper, and is an investment, if you drive it at all you're more likely to only drive it on special occasions. Something you would seem to define as more "appropriate".
"Buying a car to keep, " aka "a keeper, " is a phrase that I have found to be mostly overused and mostly incorrect. Very very few of us would own a car for 25+ years.
That phrase "keeper" is often used prior to purchase, or in the first year of ownership, when the novelty has not warn off, the warm feelings of achievement remain and the car has not become just another fixture of your life.
I wonder how many "keepers" are sold within 5-7yrs of purchase. '' )
I too don't like the term ''keeper '' , simply because you don't know what tomorrow will throw at you , so you can never be sure that you will be able to hang on to anything material ... especially something as inconsequential as a toy car .
I think that one should see any and every car as a depreciating asset .
When i talk about using a car ''appropriately '' what i mean is using it in circumstances where I can
1) really enjoy the experience OR
2) learn something about its dynamics
And for me , I get little of either , pottering about in a supercar to the supermarket , or in a city centre .
A supercar at 20 mph in a traffic jam , or manoeuvring around pedestrians pushing trolleys in a car park , neither entertains me , nor educates me .
Why anyone would one to use a supercar for these purposes totally eludes me ..... unless one likes posing , I suppose .
To me its simply using an inappropriate tool for a given job .
Moving on to your second point -- I have to very seriously consider each car purchase simply because I cannot afford to buy all the cars I like , or indeed even a tiny proportion of the cars I adore .
So I have to save up , and buy only what I really , really want .
And once i have done that , I find that I never want to sell , unless really , really forced to .
I have only ever sold 2 cars for money or garage space ... and on each occasion it was only because something that I had lusted for even more finally turned up , or finally became affordable on the second hand market .
The first car I bought ( or more accurately , thank you Mum and Dad ) was just about the first Fiat UNO to come into the UK , and I researched that car more than I did my studies .
I kept it for 11 years , drove it around the Fens to and beyond its rev limit in every gear , cornered it onto 2 wheels without toppling over ( thank you car ) , and practically cried when rust finally took it away from me .
Ditto a Triumph Spitfire that I should have sold the day after I bought it , but instead persevered with for 10 years . British Leyland in 1975 was not a manufacturer to buy from , but Michelotti had designed a beautiful body , and you could tuck the rear wheel under the body during cornering without trying too hard . Only sold it because I had to go to Toronto for a Fellowship .
Ditto my beloved Series 1 MX5 , now 28 years old , and 18 years in my custody , although rust is trying to steal her from me .
Every car I have bought has stayed for at least 9 years , some for over 2 decades .
Everyone of my everyday cars have left me only for the scrapyard
The whole point of starting this thread was :
1) simply to say to people that supercars can give a really concentrated hit of joy and pleasure when used in their ideal environment .
And so much frustration when used in a setting when a more mundane car could have done a better job .
2) to expose the hypocrisy that simply driving a supercar lots , in whatever the circumstances , is in itself a good and commendable thing .
( '' I only raise this as you've been so detailed in your evaluation of language and phrases concerning driving cars and car ownership.
Firstly, surely this goes against your own views that a car should only be driven when "appropriate"? If you have no concern about future value, you are actually more likely to drive it when INappropriate, driving around town centres (Mayfair as you put it), putting considerable mileage on the car, getting shopping trolley dings etc because you are not thinking of residuals every time you get into the drivers seat.
Conversely, a car that is not a keeper, and is an investment, if you drive it at all you're more likely to only drive it on special occasions. Something you would seem to define as more "appropriate".
"Buying a car to keep, " aka "a keeper, " is a phrase that I have found to be mostly overused and mostly incorrect. Very very few of us would own a car for 25+ years.
That phrase "keeper" is often used prior to purchase, or in the first year of ownership, when the novelty has not warn off, the warm feelings of achievement remain and the car has not become just another fixture of your life.
I wonder how many "keepers" are sold within 5-7yrs of purchase. '' )
I too don't like the term ''keeper '' , simply because you don't know what tomorrow will throw at you , so you can never be sure that you will be able to hang on to anything material ... especially something as inconsequential as a toy car .
I think that one should see any and every car as a depreciating asset .
When i talk about using a car ''appropriately '' what i mean is using it in circumstances where I can
1) really enjoy the experience OR
2) learn something about its dynamics
And for me , I get little of either , pottering about in a supercar to the supermarket , or in a city centre .
A supercar at 20 mph in a traffic jam , or manoeuvring around pedestrians pushing trolleys in a car park , neither entertains me , nor educates me .
Why anyone would one to use a supercar for these purposes totally eludes me ..... unless one likes posing , I suppose .
To me its simply using an inappropriate tool for a given job .
Moving on to your second point -- I have to very seriously consider each car purchase simply because I cannot afford to buy all the cars I like , or indeed even a tiny proportion of the cars I adore .
So I have to save up , and buy only what I really , really want .
And once i have done that , I find that I never want to sell , unless really , really forced to .
I have only ever sold 2 cars for money or garage space ... and on each occasion it was only because something that I had lusted for even more finally turned up , or finally became affordable on the second hand market .
The first car I bought ( or more accurately , thank you Mum and Dad ) was just about the first Fiat UNO to come into the UK , and I researched that car more than I did my studies .
I kept it for 11 years , drove it around the Fens to and beyond its rev limit in every gear , cornered it onto 2 wheels without toppling over ( thank you car ) , and practically cried when rust finally took it away from me .
Ditto a Triumph Spitfire that I should have sold the day after I bought it , but instead persevered with for 10 years . British Leyland in 1975 was not a manufacturer to buy from , but Michelotti had designed a beautiful body , and you could tuck the rear wheel under the body during cornering without trying too hard . Only sold it because I had to go to Toronto for a Fellowship .
Ditto my beloved Series 1 MX5 , now 28 years old , and 18 years in my custody , although rust is trying to steal her from me .
Every car I have bought has stayed for at least 9 years , some for over 2 decades .
Everyone of my everyday cars have left me only for the scrapyard
The whole point of starting this thread was :
1) simply to say to people that supercars can give a really concentrated hit of joy and pleasure when used in their ideal environment .
And so much frustration when used in a setting when a more mundane car could have done a better job .
2) to expose the hypocrisy that simply driving a supercar lots , in whatever the circumstances , is in itself a good and commendable thing .
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The whole point of starting this thread was :
1) simply to say to people that supercars can give a really concentrated hit of joy and pleasure when used in their ideal environment .
And so much frustration when used in a setting when a more mundane car could have done a better job .
2) to expose the hypocrisy that simply driving a supercar lots , in whatever the circumstances , is in itself a good and commendable thing .
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Really all you are doing is exposing your own biases. Who are you to tell PH readers what is a appropriate use of their car or not. It’s equally tedious to drone on about learning about the dynamics of the car, perhaps the Porsche GTRS2/3/4/X forums would be more appropriate place for this type of drivel.
People buy, sell and drive their cars for myriads of reasons, leave them to get on with it, and enjoy your own in good health. By all means share your own opinion of your cars, but don’t accuse people of hypocrisy for driving cars exactly how and when they want to.
The whole point of starting this thread was :
1) simply to say to people that supercars can give a really concentrated hit of joy and pleasure when used in their ideal environment .
And so much frustration when used in a setting when a more mundane car could have done a better job .
2) to expose the hypocrisy that simply driving a supercar lots , in whatever the circumstances , is in itself a good and commendable thing .
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Really all you are doing is exposing your own biases. Who are you to tell PH readers what is a appropriate use of their car or not. It’s equally tedious to drone on about learning about the dynamics of the car, perhaps the Porsche GTRS2/3/4/X forums would be more appropriate place for this type of drivel.
People buy, sell and drive their cars for myriads of reasons, leave them to get on with it, and enjoy your own in good health. By all means share your own opinion of your cars, but don’t accuse people of hypocrisy for driving cars exactly how and when they want to.
r o n n i e said:
Doofus said:
The OP took an awfully long time to construct a post answering a question that nobody asked him, and is likely to find out that a) nobody cares and/or b) people are grown up enough to make their own decisions about what, when and where to drive.
Side effects of the lock down combined with white privilege ;-pIMHO the very essence of what makes us all ‘Pistonheads’ is our enthusiasm for cars and bikes etc…. and from that comes the ‘eclectic’ mix of cars, bikes, individuals, ‘characters’ and opinions, that sees us all participate as ‘enthusiasts’ in this type of ‘community’ forum.
I don’t know the individual, or have any allegiance to the OP, but is it for any of us to comment on how other people spend their time, or in some cases in this thread, look to ridicule or denigrate their opinions??
I don’t see that the OP was targeting or criticising any one individual, in which case criticism would be justified. Wasn’t the OP merely posing a question to generate a broader discussion? – Which he / she has done.
Surely, to be overtly critical, mock or express un-necessarily critical comments will only discourage people from creating threads and posting them, to the detriment of us all?
The alternative being to start burning books with the view to forcing everyone to have the same view.
Each to their own at all times……. it is entirely up to the individual to enjoy their car, bike etc. in any way they decide.
I don’t know the individual, or have any allegiance to the OP, but is it for any of us to comment on how other people spend their time, or in some cases in this thread, look to ridicule or denigrate their opinions??
I don’t see that the OP was targeting or criticising any one individual, in which case criticism would be justified. Wasn’t the OP merely posing a question to generate a broader discussion? – Which he / she has done.
Surely, to be overtly critical, mock or express un-necessarily critical comments will only discourage people from creating threads and posting them, to the detriment of us all?
The alternative being to start burning books with the view to forcing everyone to have the same view.
Each to their own at all times……. it is entirely up to the individual to enjoy their car, bike etc. in any way they decide.
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