SVJ vs SV Head scramble
Discussion
Howdy. Been following Venti V12 prices and notice that now the SVJ is nearing its predecessor the SV in price bracket. This I find slightly baffling .. I’m told it’s all down to production no’s ?? In Coupé guise 600 for SV and 900 for the SVJ. In my mind, that ain’t too much a difference. Maybe it is for the collector fraternity??
To me, what is different are the cars. Surely the SVJ is an infinitely superior machine re faster, harder, handling plus aero etc.
Is the one now poor value whilst the other a relative bargain????
A tech question. I notice the SVJ is listed at some 60mm wider than the SV. Is this girth due to the larger air intakes or at the lower point, the side skirts?? Doesn’t look like there are actual new panels on this model..
To me, what is different are the cars. Surely the SVJ is an infinitely superior machine re faster, harder, handling plus aero etc.
Is the one now poor value whilst the other a relative bargain????
A tech question. I notice the SVJ is listed at some 60mm wider than the SV. Is this girth due to the larger air intakes or at the lower point, the side skirts?? Doesn’t look like there are actual new panels on this model..
Edited by jonny finance on Saturday 26th September 21:18
I would have thought 4 wheel steering might be quite beneficial on a car this big.
I do think the SVJ rear wing is rather ugly though
If similar money, I would probably go for the newer one in this case given it has some minor improvements that probably do not make it less of a drivers car / involving
I think there are a few people on here who have owned both - maybe one of them will comment
Good luck
I do think the SVJ rear wing is rather ugly though
If similar money, I would probably go for the newer one in this case given it has some minor improvements that probably do not make it less of a drivers car / involving
I think there are a few people on here who have owned both - maybe one of them will comment
Good luck
Interesting comments.
Tbh I do think some of the purity in design is hammered in the SVJ re aero bits and bobs.
Can’t quite decide if it looks awesome as a result or not - Downforce vs style essence and aesthetic flow.. Think, particularly those side gills are maybe a step too far/wide. Is this at the point that the SVJ technically measures wider than the SV??
I’ve read on numerous occasions the S is all you need. V fast and nimble due to 4ws.
Tbh I do think some of the purity in design is hammered in the SVJ re aero bits and bobs.
Can’t quite decide if it looks awesome as a result or not - Downforce vs style essence and aesthetic flow.. Think, particularly those side gills are maybe a step too far/wide. Is this at the point that the SVJ technically measures wider than the SV??
I’ve read on numerous occasions the S is all you need. V fast and nimble due to 4ws.
Edited by jonny finance on Saturday 26th September 21:21
Svj is wider due to front bumper and other bodywork (larger side intake).
If it makes any difference I have been in a convoy together with an SV and a SVJ, all having fun between 50-160 and all cars in a straight line were identicle in speed. My 'S' will be listed on here tommorow for sale simply as I fancy a convertible.
4 wheel steer does make it more usable and nimble, and it could be used as an everyday car if you had safe parking either end of your'e journey and can avoid width restrictions!
If it makes any difference I have been in a convoy together with an SV and a SVJ, all having fun between 50-160 and all cars in a straight line were identicle in speed. My 'S' will be listed on here tommorow for sale simply as I fancy a convertible.
4 wheel steer does make it more usable and nimble, and it could be used as an everyday car if you had safe parking either end of your'e journey and can avoid width restrictions!
WilliamWaiver said:
Both are fantastic looking cars for outside of Harrods but couldn't drive or live with the gearbox on either of them.
If aventador svj had a decent gearbox I would have one though in meantime performante is best driving lambo ever
I have not driven the ISR transmission but if it is similar to a Ferrari single clutch then I prefer it to a double clutch box - feels closer to driving a manual to me If aventador svj had a decent gearbox I would have one though in meantime performante is best driving lambo ever
WilliamWaiver said:
Both are fantastic looking cars for outside of Harrods but couldn't drive or live with the gearbox on either of them.
If aventador svj had a decent gearbox I would have one though in meantime performante is best driving lambo ever
How many miles have you done in each?If aventador svj had a decent gearbox I would have one though in meantime performante is best driving lambo ever
Must say, gearbox wouldn’t be on my mind. Drove a 15 plate and thought it was fine. Ok not our now accepted normal slush box, but I thought it needed some thought and driver input, as does the rest of this immense machine.
Recently drove a pals 360 F1 and was surprised how much fun it was. Timing change, lifting and generally driver input necessary to get things propelling smoothly and quickly.
As suggested, the SV and again the SVJ apparently have updated software thus improving the shift speed and smoothness
Recently drove a pals 360 F1 and was surprised how much fun it was. Timing change, lifting and generally driver input necessary to get things propelling smoothly and quickly.
As suggested, the SV and again the SVJ apparently have updated software thus improving the shift speed and smoothness
SVJ is the best driving A, the SV is the rawest A.The 4WS and revised ISR on the SVJ make the biggest difference between the two. ALA I feel is more of a marketing gimmick because it does nothing to enhance my daily driving experience.
Here's the story with the SVJ and SVJ values which isn't just a UK problem, it's globally. Prior to the car been released dealers told customers that it was going to be ultra limited and the "last" Aventador model. The number that was thrown around was around a 1000 coupes/roadsters. The roadster been the rarest. As the car approached it's unveiling the cracks started showing and dealers started to back track. At this point some customers got their deposits back and ran but others had committed like myself and actually traded in or sold their existing Lambo to prepare for the SVJ.
SVJ got unveiled at Quail and of course it wasn't limited to a 1000 cars, instead the real shocker was Lambo was going to build more SVJ's than the SV. Add the paint special 63's and it was game over. This basically burst the SVJ bubble and a lot of customers pulled out after the unveiling, some got their deposits back whilst others just walked away from their deposits. This left dealers will unsold slots so what some dealers did was give discounts which not only screwed all the owners like myself who paid retail with no discounts but it meant these SVJs with discounts were going to be sold on the used market for way less which further hit SVJ values.
So what's happening in the SVJ marketplace not just in the UK but globally is main dealers don't want used SVJ because they can't sell them so they're been sold or traded in to used dealers for silly money. Add in COVID and the grim economic outlook and values are taking a further hit. Lamborghini should have kept the SVJ numbers low but the biggest underlining issue is the Aventador replacement keeps getting delayed so HQ had to milk the Aventador even more hence the high production number for the SVJ. There's still no word on when the replacement is going to be released so that means there's a good chance they'll be a final edition Aventador which will further drag down SVJ values.
Most of the SVJ production is done, the only cars on the production line are the cars that got delayed due to COVID, the Xago edition paint special and heavily spec'd AdP SVJ63's. I did hear the factory was going to be retooled for the replacement next month but with COVID delays and delay of the A replacement I don't think that's happening.
Here's the story with the SVJ and SVJ values which isn't just a UK problem, it's globally. Prior to the car been released dealers told customers that it was going to be ultra limited and the "last" Aventador model. The number that was thrown around was around a 1000 coupes/roadsters. The roadster been the rarest. As the car approached it's unveiling the cracks started showing and dealers started to back track. At this point some customers got their deposits back and ran but others had committed like myself and actually traded in or sold their existing Lambo to prepare for the SVJ.
SVJ got unveiled at Quail and of course it wasn't limited to a 1000 cars, instead the real shocker was Lambo was going to build more SVJ's than the SV. Add the paint special 63's and it was game over. This basically burst the SVJ bubble and a lot of customers pulled out after the unveiling, some got their deposits back whilst others just walked away from their deposits. This left dealers will unsold slots so what some dealers did was give discounts which not only screwed all the owners like myself who paid retail with no discounts but it meant these SVJs with discounts were going to be sold on the used market for way less which further hit SVJ values.
So what's happening in the SVJ marketplace not just in the UK but globally is main dealers don't want used SVJ because they can't sell them so they're been sold or traded in to used dealers for silly money. Add in COVID and the grim economic outlook and values are taking a further hit. Lamborghini should have kept the SVJ numbers low but the biggest underlining issue is the Aventador replacement keeps getting delayed so HQ had to milk the Aventador even more hence the high production number for the SVJ. There's still no word on when the replacement is going to be released so that means there's a good chance they'll be a final edition Aventador which will further drag down SVJ values.
Most of the SVJ production is done, the only cars on the production line are the cars that got delayed due to COVID, the Xago edition paint special and heavily spec'd AdP SVJ63's. I did hear the factory was going to be retooled for the replacement next month but with COVID delays and delay of the A replacement I don't think that's happening.
A fantastic, in depth and obviously personal account and experience. Many thanks.
Now I understand my head scratcher re SV vs SVJ values. Maybe we will never know how many SVJ’s are built ?? Still doesn’t detract how utterly fabulous they are - and for me, represent value in the super/hyper car segment.
Now I understand my head scratcher re SV vs SVJ values. Maybe we will never know how many SVJ’s are built ?? Still doesn’t detract how utterly fabulous they are - and for me, represent value in the super/hyper car segment.
I have had both from new and have done some miles in them if you have any specific questions.
As mentioned SV feels more special at lower speeds as it feels more raw animal and connected to the tarmac for whatever reason (maybe also it helps the valves are fully open unlike J so its louder at low rpm) say up to 80+ at over that J is way superior to drive, SV is more like a missile with reigns and feels like it might kill you. J is a much easier car to drive fast, you can feel more what it is doing, feels more modern and is smoother.
No difference is straight line speed at all. ALA does nothing noticeable to me, at least at the cornering speeds I'm capable of driving at! 4WS is much better on country roads but can get upset if the tarmac gets rough at speed and try to put you in a ditch.
On another point J is what it is out of the box SV is very different car now to what it started as and the original reviews, the gearbox and suspension software updates after a couple of years completely changed it and made it a much nicer car to drive and less hard-work. Originally it was almost un-drivable in corsa on normal roads.
SV also had terrible engine drag as did my early Aventadors and was bad to drive until its running in service was completed, J there has been no noticeable difference from new to after services and with miles down.
I also prefer the adjusted with spacers to tilt them back race seats to comfort ones if you actually want to use it properly.
As mentioned SV feels more special at lower speeds as it feels more raw animal and connected to the tarmac for whatever reason (maybe also it helps the valves are fully open unlike J so its louder at low rpm) say up to 80+ at over that J is way superior to drive, SV is more like a missile with reigns and feels like it might kill you. J is a much easier car to drive fast, you can feel more what it is doing, feels more modern and is smoother.
No difference is straight line speed at all. ALA does nothing noticeable to me, at least at the cornering speeds I'm capable of driving at! 4WS is much better on country roads but can get upset if the tarmac gets rough at speed and try to put you in a ditch.
On another point J is what it is out of the box SV is very different car now to what it started as and the original reviews, the gearbox and suspension software updates after a couple of years completely changed it and made it a much nicer car to drive and less hard-work. Originally it was almost un-drivable in corsa on normal roads.
SV also had terrible engine drag as did my early Aventadors and was bad to drive until its running in service was completed, J there has been no noticeable difference from new to after services and with miles down.
I also prefer the adjusted with spacers to tilt them back race seats to comfort ones if you actually want to use it properly.
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