There is no car I want to buy next.
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Same "problem" here. Can't figure out what to buy next. On some days, I think the ICE days are numbered, so might as well get the 812 GTS and then take it with me in the grave. Other day's I think that getting a V12 supercar is complete waste of money and next to useless due to its size and power so should instead drop the whole motoring thing and settle for an electric Fiat 500.
I have had the same problem with powerful front engined, rwd cars. My V12 Vantage was very frustrating in terms of putting the power down. I find mid-engine cars the purest fun but have a soft spot for 911s which are great fun once you have worked out how to get the best out their innate traction. I understand the point about them not feeling special but I am in the camp that appreciates their dual personality.
I currently run a manual 430 which is hugely engaging, feeling like one of the last ‘analogue’ sports/super cars. It is light on its feet and very agile with more than enough performance. It feels like the completed version of the 360 I once owned and perfect for our roads. I would have to say that I had almost as much fun in the 360 and you wouldn’t feel short changed owning it.
I currently run a manual 430 which is hugely engaging, feeling like one of the last ‘analogue’ sports/super cars. It is light on its feet and very agile with more than enough performance. It feels like the completed version of the 360 I once owned and perfect for our roads. I would have to say that I had almost as much fun in the 360 and you wouldn’t feel short changed owning it.
hornbaek said:
Same "problem" here. Can't figure out what to buy next. On some days, I think the ICE days are numbered, so might as well get the 812 GTS and then take it with me in the grave. Other day's I think that getting a V12 supercar is complete waste of money and next to useless due to its size and power so should instead drop the whole motoring thing and settle for an electric Fiat 500.
Mmmmm.. we all have good days and bad days, me thinks you've just had a very bad day.We all need to make the best of the limited time left for the ICE so when you have the next good day go and buy that 812GTS or whatever and make sure you take it to the grave before it gets scrapped by all the do gooders.
I’m almost sort of with you, but almost sort of opposite. I’m (hopefully) just concluding a deal to sell the 4C and buying a V12 donkey. I’ve endlessly cycled between 599, Vanq, DBSS, 911 Turbo and F12 over the last few months. Changed my mind every week, but have now decided on F12, found my car, done the money as it were.
I’ve always wanted to own a V12, but at the same time I feel it is pushed on me a bit *now* before Greta and co have them banned. And I do genuinely worry that that will happen in a nearish future.
I’ve always wanted to own a V12, but at the same time I feel it is pushed on me a bit *now* before Greta and co have them banned. And I do genuinely worry that that will happen in a nearish future.
The budget Maserati plan has scratched the itch. Beautiful, sounds amazing, great fun at low speed, and so far has not exploded. Yet.
CLS63 AMG will be sold after our Somerset trip this summer. The old Maser scratches the special and manageable in London boxes, admirably.
The cheapness of this car vs how fun at low speeds and use able it is makes it worthwhile. The FF/Lusso would have disappointed, in retrospect, as expectations would have been too high and use ability too low (size, mainly).
CLS63 AMG will be sold after our Somerset trip this summer. The old Maser scratches the special and manageable in London boxes, admirably.
The cheapness of this car vs how fun at low speeds and use able it is makes it worthwhile. The FF/Lusso would have disappointed, in retrospect, as expectations would have been too high and use ability too low (size, mainly).
Edited by Harry Flashman on Wednesday 9th June 18:37
Edited by Harry Flashman on Wednesday 9th June 18:39
/\ That’s a lovely looking car, looks positively small next to today’s offerings from most of the manufacturers.
Been through the same dilemma in recent years, as you get a bit older priorities change, what you want from a sports car changes, new technology further removes the driver from the actual driving involvement…& nothing new interested me. Either too large (992 GT3), Turbo engined (488, Macs etc) or just too much power / grip to get any enjoyment out of on the UK roads in most places.
For spirited weekend drives and track days, I’ve still got an S1 Elise, bought with a friend, modified it together…and it fulfils everything I want from a involving sports car. It’s worth about £15k all in and that’s probably why we enjoy it so much. It doesn’t matter if something goes wrong, it’s cheap to fix, cheap on consumables, cheap to maintain etc so the ratio of cost vs enjoyment is hugely on the positive side. It really does take you back to basics, which for me, is what having a sports car is all about.
The only cars tempting me at the moment are an Exige S3 or an Evora 410. Seeing a friend in a couple of weeks who’s just got a 19 plate Exige so I’ll be interested to see what it’s like compared to my GTS 981. I suspect before too long, I’ll end up in one.
A 987 Spyder would also be a good shout, small, light, just enough power etc….or a Cayman R. Both brilliant.
Been through the same dilemma in recent years, as you get a bit older priorities change, what you want from a sports car changes, new technology further removes the driver from the actual driving involvement…& nothing new interested me. Either too large (992 GT3), Turbo engined (488, Macs etc) or just too much power / grip to get any enjoyment out of on the UK roads in most places.
For spirited weekend drives and track days, I’ve still got an S1 Elise, bought with a friend, modified it together…and it fulfils everything I want from a involving sports car. It’s worth about £15k all in and that’s probably why we enjoy it so much. It doesn’t matter if something goes wrong, it’s cheap to fix, cheap on consumables, cheap to maintain etc so the ratio of cost vs enjoyment is hugely on the positive side. It really does take you back to basics, which for me, is what having a sports car is all about.
The only cars tempting me at the moment are an Exige S3 or an Evora 410. Seeing a friend in a couple of weeks who’s just got a 19 plate Exige so I’ll be interested to see what it’s like compared to my GTS 981. I suspect before too long, I’ll end up in one.
A 987 Spyder would also be a good shout, small, light, just enough power etc….or a Cayman R. Both brilliant.
Edited by MrVert on Thursday 10th June 10:55
hornbaek said:
Same "problem" here. Can't figure out what to buy next. On some days, I think the ICE days are numbered, so might as well get the 812 GTS and then take it with me in the grave. Other day's I think that getting a V12 supercar is complete waste of money and next to useless due to its size and power so should instead drop the whole motoring thing and settle for an electric Fiat 500.
I had a very short drive in an 812 GTS on Monday....unfortuantely only really on dual carriageways so no chance to really see what it was like a country road. I absolutely love the look fo them but it left me a bit cold to be honest....I am sure when you push it hard it is an incredible machine but didn't really feel like much of an event when been driven well within its limits. Cheib said:
I had a very short drive in an 812 GTS on Monday....unfortuantely only really on dual carriageways so no chance to really see what it was like a country road. I absolutely love the look fo them but it left me a bit cold to be honest....I am sure when you push it hard it is an incredible machine but didn't really feel like much of an event when been driven well within its limits.
The 812GTS drives very differently to an 812SF coupe. The former has been tamed somewhat compared to the latter and loses something in the bargain. The 812SF is by far the most exciting and intoxicating car i've ever driven with more than a hint of dangerous intimidation which i really like. The extra 120Kg of the GTS with softer springs/damping and the quieter GPF muffled exhaust takes away a lot of the drama which oozes from the 812SF.The 812SF will be coming to my garage soon but personally i felt too self conscious in the GTS on top of the aforementioned reasons above.
DeejRC said:
I’m almost sort of with you, but almost sort of opposite. I’m (hopefully) just concluding a deal to sell the 4C and buying a V12 donkey. I’ve endlessly cycled between 599, Vanq, DBSS, 911 Turbo and F12 over the last few months. Changed my mind every week, but have now decided on F12, found my car, done the money as it were.
I’ve always wanted to own a V12, but at the same time I feel it is pushed on me a bit *now* before Greta and co have them banned. And I do genuinely worry that that will happen in a nearish future.
Great choice !I’ve always wanted to own a V12, but at the same time I feel it is pushed on me a bit *now* before Greta and co have them banned. And I do genuinely worry that that will happen in a nearish future.
What will Greta do with her spare time once she's eradicated classic cars from our roads ?
Perhaps she will eradicate the industrial pollution levels from India, China and Russia ???
Harry Flashman said:
Absolutely. All of this. Find me a pre 1981 (for London ULEZ purposes) desirable classic engineered to be driveable and rustproof and that isn't a million pounds, and I will buy it.
Speak to Neil at Everrati:https://www.everrati.com/
anonymous said:
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Both have its point and make sense depending on the personell view.I still dont know what could be next(M4CP manual convertible might go soon)...
For sure it has to cover the windy b-roads, but for me track day use can be an argument as well,as i liked it a lot.
Even with my car been way too heavy and i killed my brakes(no ceramics and the steel competition brake was holding nicely, but
still done by the end of the day). But if track day is for you about enjoying to drive really more quickly than what i ever do on the street,
it can be one of the best things to do, without being able to do great lap times. I cant :-(
Coming back to the subject, what can it be?
Right now i m back to the 2 cars solution. Going for new mercedes c-class t model hybrid, which comes by the end of the year as a daily.
And to be on low emission and go to holidays with the bags of the wife and space for the dog. And let the wife have it as much as she wants.
And an "old" v8 vantage s manual roadster, for the open drive on windy b-roads and maybe one track day, even if its quite a compromise.
Still waiting for better ideas! My wife pushes hard for a one car solution and she can stay with her i3 which she loves and is absolut fine
for her daily driving.
Found myself thinking to do a remapping on the M4, lets say 530hp. Car is v-max open anyway and then
change the color to the bright/strong yellow by wrapping it, which i was thinking about when the car came new..
But the 9grand in euros was too much then and now its only 2. I can keep the azurit roof and tell myself that i found a woundfull
"new" car.... And have a 2 color car...
Do i start losing it, or is the situation really that scary with "new" cars?
I’m in a similar situation and I’ve got a big wod… but enough about that… I was going to upgrade just as covid hit and then decided not to as we WFH.
Since then prices have gone up and up and I’m just not prepared to pay them!
As time has gone on I’ve been more than happy overpaying the mortgage and driving around in my 2016 hatchback that is absolutely fine up to 50mph ish.
Nothing tempts me anymore. I used to search everyday but now I don’t care and am happy paying off the mortgage… I can’t be the only one!
Since then prices have gone up and up and I’m just not prepared to pay them!
As time has gone on I’ve been more than happy overpaying the mortgage and driving around in my 2016 hatchback that is absolutely fine up to 50mph ish.
Nothing tempts me anymore. I used to search everyday but now I don’t care and am happy paying off the mortgage… I can’t be the only one!
Jumpingjackflash said:
Hi,
I am constantly looking at classifieds and Youtube videos for my next car but there is nothing I want. Or I should say there is nothing that ticks all my boxes. Currently I have a Ferrari 599. There are many things I like about it but I can not get all the power down and feel frustrated. I feel I am using 50% of the cars performance so whats the point. I Also own a Alfa GTV Cup which I can use 100% of the performance but in all honestly the gearbox is not great and it is front wheel drive. However it is beautiful and sounds good.
I used to own a Mclaren 12c (a reliable one) which was very fast and felt special but it was paddle shift, lots of systems keeping you safe and the engine is nothing like the 599 for revs and noise.
I used to have a few Porsches. I had a Boxster & Boxster S. 996 Turbo manual and 996 GT3. None of them felt that special. The turbo was great but I started using it all the time like a Golf. The 996 GT3 was good but still did not feel special at low speeds and at high speed corners was terrifying because it has not traction control or stability control.
I had a couple of Astons which are great and feel special but more a GT car than sports car.
I had a NSX Manual but they are not worth the money now. parts too expensive and hard to source and to be honest a Boxster s Steers better and is faster for a lot less money.
I had an elise which did feel special and steering was the best but fell apart around me.
I am looking for a car a manual car that sounds amazing, low mass, compact for Scottish roads, feels special even when sitting in traffic and will not fall apart around me.
Any suggestions? Why do car enthusiasts not have lots of options of these cars?
If I had the money - I'd be looking at a ListerBell Stratos replica.I am constantly looking at classifieds and Youtube videos for my next car but there is nothing I want. Or I should say there is nothing that ticks all my boxes. Currently I have a Ferrari 599. There are many things I like about it but I can not get all the power down and feel frustrated. I feel I am using 50% of the cars performance so whats the point. I Also own a Alfa GTV Cup which I can use 100% of the performance but in all honestly the gearbox is not great and it is front wheel drive. However it is beautiful and sounds good.
I used to own a Mclaren 12c (a reliable one) which was very fast and felt special but it was paddle shift, lots of systems keeping you safe and the engine is nothing like the 599 for revs and noise.
I used to have a few Porsches. I had a Boxster & Boxster S. 996 Turbo manual and 996 GT3. None of them felt that special. The turbo was great but I started using it all the time like a Golf. The 996 GT3 was good but still did not feel special at low speeds and at high speed corners was terrifying because it has not traction control or stability control.
I had a couple of Astons which are great and feel special but more a GT car than sports car.
I had a NSX Manual but they are not worth the money now. parts too expensive and hard to source and to be honest a Boxster s Steers better and is faster for a lot less money.
I had an elise which did feel special and steering was the best but fell apart around me.
I am looking for a car a manual car that sounds amazing, low mass, compact for Scottish roads, feels special even when sitting in traffic and will not fall apart around me.
Any suggestions? Why do car enthusiasts not have lots of options of these cars?
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