360 v's Gallardo dilemma (again!)
Discussion
Nice work Simon! I may be moving back to the northwest, along with either murcielago/gallardo/f430/f40 (haven't quite made up my mind)
o/t have you seen a Gallardo in Arancio in the flesh? All the picture i've seen look dull compared to yours, although that could be the Zymol treatment
o/t have you seen a Gallardo in Arancio in the flesh? All the picture i've seen look dull compared to yours, although that could be the Zymol treatment
Jonny5 said:
Nice work Simon! I may be moving back to the northwest, along with either murcielago/gallardo/f430/f40 (haven't quite made up my mind)
o/t have you seen a Gallardo in Arancio in the flesh? All the picture i've seen look dull compared to yours, although that could be the Zymol treatment
The Arancio on the Gallardo looks a lot different to the Murcie. I'm told its cos the Murcie is Carbon Fibre and the Gallardo steel..
octane said:
octane said:
...Actually Ferrari now can be compared to a designer brand similar to LV, B&O ect. They have sold out to commercialism
This does not mean that they make better cars in fact far from it ...
Hmmm.
First up, nearly every manufacturer has "sold out". As I recall, Audi now own Lambo, Aston is a Ford model, Ferrari has been a Fiat proposition for a while (though there's something less straightforwad about its ownership I believe). All are there to make their owners a big profit, and to act as a halo barnd in their line up.
As for the cars, you're not really comparing the right models. Every single report I've read has the 430 as the pick of the field at this moment in time.
OK, the Gallardo is a couple of years old and will be upgraded. But then out will come the 430CS and so the amusement continues.
I seriously considered a Murci, so its not a Lambo/Ferrari thing. And the only 360 I rate is the CS, so I'm not blind to the ways of Maranello, But the Gallardo does nothing for me. I'm sure for many the opposite is true, but I want more than being able to jump in it every day and drive to work (I'd buy an M5 for that I guess, if I could bear having a 4 seater). In today's congested environments, character is absolutely everything - you need that something that makes you smile and as mentioned by basher, that makes your heart skip when you see it.
Vive la difference!
The point i was trying to make was does one think the 360 is the nicest product to have come from pininfarina( if you one says yes, i will worry!)
does one think the 360 with a body kit- oh sorry the 430 is a good effort. It is a 'soft car'
I think lambo is making a more focused car than ferrari at the moment and better built than any current f car.
Ive yet to read a road test of a new F car that is less than efusive about the car. I have all the autocar write ups and JC comments as well.
Of the 348 it was said' This is the finest sportscar you can buy for 70K it is without doubt a masterpiece -in a recent article JC said is was quite simply i quote'an awful car'
I enjoyed my 355 but i needed that something that made me smile, the looks ,TORQUE and power of the gallardo do that in a way the 355 did not.
It is all about character but in the end if one is driving a sports car that is perceived to be the best it was alwasy embarrasing in the 355 to be overtaken by even modest machinery but rightly so the 355 will be a true classic.
You shouldn't be too obsessed with styling. I used to have a 360CS - which I thought looked as good as anything Ferrari has ever produced - and the on limit handling was what set that car aside as something special. The Gallardo does not get close unless 4WD and rally driving are your thing.
I'm just in the process of getting a 430 Spider, which I have yet to drive (I've not had a convertible Ferrari before either), and am a bit worried it won't live upto the 360CS. Alas there is no sign of a 430CS from what I read/hear.
I own a G, but i'll try and be as objective as possible.
Looks:
I like both. Both get alot of attention. The G gets significantly more. But it is a newer, edgier design. It may not be the case 5 years down the line (as the 360 is now).
Performance:
G all the way. But I wouldn't describe the 360 as a slouch.
Interior:
In terms of design/style/matching the exterior. Both are shit. The plus points for the G are the fit and finish. Plus the features - OEM NAVI etc. The negatives are Audi sourced bits. Problem is the two go hand in hand. Personally I would much rather have the G's interior then the 360's.
Both should take notice of the DB9 tho IMO.
Feel (heart skip a beat factor):
You've got to be hugely biased to suggest opening your garage to either of these wouldn't bring a smile to your face. Lets not be stupid people!
Feel, feedback, handling:
Personal preference really.
Sub 30 MPH the 360 feels more lively.
As the speed builds the G feels more stable. And IMO brings as much to the table as the 360. It is very, very, very throwable. I left my BMW at home and drove the Lambo during the snow storms, to the suprise of fellow motorists.
To say its dull is just plain stupid IMO. And probably showing ones need to justify their own decision.
Rarity/Exclusivity:
I wouldn't describe the 360 as common, but at this point the G is definately rarer and IMO more exclusive.
You can argue on the web about the production line its made on. Or the fact you can go buy one today, without waiting. But is that really what pops into someones mind when they see you out on the road? No. Its the fact thats a Lambo, and one they have probably never seen in the flesh.
In and around London the 360 really lacks the rarity factor people expect of an exotic. For this type of car alot have been produced. I see 10 - 20+ 360's for every Lambo (G or Murci). I'm sure the G will change this somewhat.
Looks:
I like both. Both get alot of attention. The G gets significantly more. But it is a newer, edgier design. It may not be the case 5 years down the line (as the 360 is now).
Performance:
G all the way. But I wouldn't describe the 360 as a slouch.
Interior:
In terms of design/style/matching the exterior. Both are shit. The plus points for the G are the fit and finish. Plus the features - OEM NAVI etc. The negatives are Audi sourced bits. Problem is the two go hand in hand. Personally I would much rather have the G's interior then the 360's.
Both should take notice of the DB9 tho IMO.
Feel (heart skip a beat factor):
You've got to be hugely biased to suggest opening your garage to either of these wouldn't bring a smile to your face. Lets not be stupid people!
Feel, feedback, handling:
Personal preference really.
Sub 30 MPH the 360 feels more lively.
As the speed builds the G feels more stable. And IMO brings as much to the table as the 360. It is very, very, very throwable. I left my BMW at home and drove the Lambo during the snow storms, to the suprise of fellow motorists.
To say its dull is just plain stupid IMO. And probably showing ones need to justify their own decision.
Rarity/Exclusivity:
I wouldn't describe the 360 as common, but at this point the G is definately rarer and IMO more exclusive.
You can argue on the web about the production line its made on. Or the fact you can go buy one today, without waiting. But is that really what pops into someones mind when they see you out on the road? No. Its the fact thats a Lambo, and one they have probably never seen in the flesh.
In and around London the 360 really lacks the rarity factor people expect of an exotic. For this type of car alot have been produced. I see 10 - 20+ 360's for every Lambo (G or Murci). I'm sure the G will change this somewhat.
While i'm on the subject of rarity, the similarity between the 360 and 430 really worries me.
There are already alot of 360's about. As 430 production ramps up (I'm sure there will be at least as many 430's as 360's) that means there will be alot of very similar looking F's around.
Too many for my liking.
I really hope Ferrari don't push this too far! Those childhood dreams of owning an F didn't include seeing another one in your rear view mirror.
There are already alot of 360's about. As 430 production ramps up (I'm sure there will be at least as many 430's as 360's) that means there will be alot of very similar looking F's around.
Too many for my liking.
I really hope Ferrari don't push this too far! Those childhood dreams of owning an F didn't include seeing another one in your rear view mirror.
5to1 said:
I own a G, but i'll try and be as objective as possible.
Looks:
I like both. Both get alot of attention. The G gets significantly more. But it is a newer, edgier design. It may not be the case 5 years down the line (as the 360 is now).
Performance:
G all the way. But I wouldn't describe the 360 as a slouch.
Interior:
In terms of design/style/matching the exterior. Both are shit. The plus points for the G are the fit and finish. Plus the features - OEM NAVI etc. The negatives are Audi sourced bits. Problem is the two go hand in hand. Personally I would much rather have the G's interior then the 360's.
Both should take notice of the DB9 tho IMO.
Feel (heart skip a beat factor):
You've got to be hugely biased to suggest opening your garage to either of these wouldn't bring a smile to your face. Lets not be stupid people!
Feel, feedback, handling:
Personal preference really.
Sub 30 MPH the 360 feels more lively.
As the speed builds the G feels more stable. And IMO brings as much to the table as the 360. It is very, very, very throwable. I left my BMW at home and drove the Lambo during the snow storms, to the suprise of fellow motorists.
To say its dull is just plain stupid IMO. And probably showing ones need to justify their own decision.
Rarity/Exclusivity:
I wouldn't describe the 360 as common, but at this point the G is definately rarer and IMO more exclusive.
You can argue on the web about the production line its made on. Or the fact you can go buy one today, without waiting. But is that really what pops into someones mind when they see you out on the road? No. Its the fact thats a Lambo, and one they have probably never seen in the flesh.
In and around London the 360 really lacks the rarity factor people expect of an exotic. For this type of car alot have been produced. I see 10 - 20+ 360's for every Lambo (G or Murci). I'm sure the G will change this somewhat.
I drove a Gallardo on the track, then drove my 360 straight afterwards and for me, the Gallardo was dull. It was too solid, it wasnt going to budge much. Where as the 360 kept me on my toes, was more nimble - and thats what i prefer from my cars. Outright speed in a straight line doesnt concern me much, at this level all cars are fast enough.
I didnt say the G was a bad car, im saying it doesnt suit what i want from a car.
I'll let you know about the DB9, picking my dads DB9 Volante up in Sept and will have a play before i deliver it to the old man !!
well one has ones opinions and if you dont like the lambo and think the standard 360 is a better track machine well your entitled to that.
I think we can all agree that evo is an excellent mag and they did a complete test which comprised - slalom,0-100,top speed,circuit laps, included in this test was caterham 500 and p GT3RS.
The comments of the g were
The gallardos lap time is the most impressive aspect of its performance it makes 500bhp in a mid engined car just enough.
for a 500bhp car, the superb brakes and seats leave you free to enjoy the poised dynamics and its such a confident contained performance that i never would have guessed it would be as good as the rs. brilliant.
I think we can all agree that evo is an excellent mag and they did a complete test which comprised - slalom,0-100,top speed,circuit laps, included in this test was caterham 500 and p GT3RS.
The comments of the g were
The gallardos lap time is the most impressive aspect of its performance it makes 500bhp in a mid engined car just enough.
for a 500bhp car, the superb brakes and seats leave you free to enjoy the poised dynamics and its such a confident contained performance that i never would have guessed it would be as good as the rs. brilliant.
octane said:
well one has ones opinions and if you dont like the lambo and think the standard 360 is a better track machine well your entitled to that.
I think we can all agree that evo is an excellent mag and they did a complete test which comprised - slalom,0-100,top speed,circuit laps, included in this test was caterham 500 and p GT3RS.
The comments of the g were
The gallardos lap time is the most impressive aspect of its performance it makes 500bhp in a mid engined car just enough.
for a 500bhp car, the superb brakes and seats leave you free to enjoy the poised dynamics and its such a confident contained performance that i never would have guessed it would be as good as the rs. brilliant.
Look , your not getting it. Im saying 'I' like the 360 more than the Gallardo. Im not saying what a mag thinks, or what my best friends pet dog thinks, im saying what I think. If i thought the G was a better car, i would have bought one.
I am entitled to my opinion and to express it, if anyone agrees with me or they dont - i dont care. The day i buy a car because Evo says its good or cos one is faster in a straight line is the day i stop buying expensive cars as the the whole point of it for me would be lost.
Its like sex, somethings rock your boat and for others it doesnt. Both are great cars, get the one YOU personally like and tell people why. Its not my car is better than your.
Dont quote a car mag as back up for a discussion, means f all to me.
May i just add, i never said i didnt like the Lambo, far from it, i just prefer the 360.
im also not too bothered about production numbers, well, only from a depreciation point of view.
I like everything that comes with a Ferrari. If im out in London 99 times out of a 100 when i see another ferrari, i get a wave, a flash of the lights etc. I enjoy that and so quite like seeing F cars around London. No problem for me !
I like everything that comes with a Ferrari. If im out in London 99 times out of a 100 when i see another ferrari, i get a wave, a flash of the lights etc. I enjoy that and so quite like seeing F cars around London. No problem for me !
360stimo said:
well one has ones opinions and if you dont like the lambo and think the standard 360 is a better track machine well your entitled to that.
I think we can all agree that evo is an excellent mag and they did a complete test which comprised - slalom,0-100,top speed,circuit laps, included in this test was caterham 500 and p GT3RS.
The comments of the g were
The gallardos lap time is the most impressive aspect of its performance it makes 500bhp in a mid engined car just enough.
for a 500bhp car, the superb brakes and seats leave you free to enjoy the poised dynamics and its such a confident contained performance that i never would have guessed it would be as good as the rs. brilliant.
Look , your not getting it. Im saying 'I' like the 360 more than the Gallardo. Im not saying what a mag thinks, or what my best friends pet dog thinks, im saying what I think. If i thought the G was a better car, i would have bought one.
I am entitled to my opinion and to express it, if anyone agrees with me or they dont - i dont care. The day i buy a car because Evo says its good or cos one is faster in a straight line is the day i stop buying expensive cars as the the whole point of it for me would be lost.
Its like sex, somethings rock your boat and for others it doesnt. Both are great cars, get the one YOU personally like and tell people why. Its not my car is better than your.
Dont quote a car mag as back up for a discussion, means f all to me.
May i just add, i never said i didnt like the Lambo, far from it, i just prefer the 360.
I was trying to put forward as contrary argument which is what a forum is all about. So now we have a balanced perspective dont we!
Comming to thnk of it' what your best friends dog thinks' might be a more valid opinion than some views expressed on here!
Was gonna go into a long one over this topic but all I'm saying is now my 360 is up for sale, the only other car I would consider buying next (money an object BTW), is a CS.
The G'do would NEVER be on my wish list even if money was no object!!!
IMO, the 360 looks better, sounds better (with the right mods) and has more class than the G.
Funny thing is that I see more G's around my way than 360's but when I see and hear a CS, it sends shivers........T.
The G'do would NEVER be on my wish list even if money was no object!!!
IMO, the 360 looks better, sounds better (with the right mods) and has more class than the G.
Funny thing is that I see more G's around my way than 360's but when I see and hear a CS, it sends shivers........T.
Big T said:
Was gonna go into a long one over this topic but all I'm saying is now my 360 is up for sale, the only other car I would consider buying next (money an object BTW), is a CS.
The G'do would NEVER be on my wish list even if money was no object!!!
IMO, the 360 looks better, sounds better (with the right mods) and has more class than the G.
Funny thing is that I see more G's around my way than 360's but when I see and hear a CS, it sends shivers........T.
360CS is the dogs 
GI, buy the one you like.
Ignore the opinions which have been polarised in order to justfiy the proponents own purchase.
Ignore anyone who says the G is "dull" or the 360 is slow. Because they either haven't driven both properly. Or are on the i bought X and everything else must be shit tip.
BTW my comments about the DB9 were mainly about the interior. IMO it is outstanding and Lambo and F should take notice. Individual, Bespoke interiors in low production cars clearly are possible.
Ignore the opinions which have been polarised in order to justfiy the proponents own purchase.
Ignore anyone who says the G is "dull" or the 360 is slow. Because they either haven't driven both properly. Or are on the i bought X and everything else must be shit tip.
BTW my comments about the DB9 were mainly about the interior. IMO it is outstanding and Lambo and F should take notice. Individual, Bespoke interiors in low production cars clearly are possible.
5to1 said:
GI, buy the one you like.
Ignore the opinions which have been polarised in order to justfiy the proponents own purchase.
Ignore anyone who says the G is "dull" or the 360 is slow. Because they either haven't driven both properly. Or are on the i bought X and everything else must be shit tip.
BTW my comments about the DB9 were mainly about the interior. IMO it is outstanding and Lambo and F should take notice. Individual, Bespoke interiors in low production cars clearly are possible.
God damm it, when will people learn to read properly.
Splodge S4 said:
Hey GiJnr your quiet, you following all this? I think we need some of your opinions on whats being said, after all its your dosh we are all trying to spend here!!
I'm here! I'm here! Things have been a bit mental lately and so haven't been able to post.
Did a weddingt today and drove the 360 back home and I thrashed it all the way! My love is rekindled!
To look at my dilemma another way: for more of less the same money, I can have a 360 Spider & a nice 4x4 for when it's wet/during the week, or have a Gallardo that will also sit there when it's raining (I know you'll all shout "drive it whenever" but I personally like my garage queens!)
Still unsure, but I love the 360 more than I did yesterday.
Tuan
360stimo said:
God damm it, when will people learn to read properly.
I can read perfectly fine. I was just giving my opinion as to why some people make statements about cars which dont really stack up.
And if you read the post you'll see it wasn't just aimed at people calling the G DULL, but also those calling the 360 SLOW. So no bias there.
5to1 said:
God damm it, when will people learn to read properly.
I can read perfectly fine. I was just giving my opinion as to why some people make statements about cars which dont really stack up.
And if you read the post you'll see it wasn't just aimed at people calling the G DULL, but also those calling the 360 SLOW. So no bias there.
I didnt say you were being bias, but i am allowed my opinion and im pretty sure that a website like this is a place to express an opinion and explain why that is my opinion.
Plus you said those who think the G is dull or the 360 is slow probably havent driven either of them properly. Well as explained i own a 360 and have driven a G on a track 4 times, off the track quite a few times and find its handling dull compared to the 360. I dont like the 4 wheel drive on a small car. It works great on the Merci, not on the G.
Not once have i said, the 360 is better cos i own one. The 360 is a great car, but a 360 CS is far superior (before you start, yes i have driven one), a Merci is far better, DB9 is a wonderful car but very different.
anyway
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