Ferrari 599 or Aston vanquish 2?
Discussion
willy wombat said:
You might be wise to try a 599 without HGTE as well as an HGTE example. HGTE is great if you are primarily going to use the car on track or in the mountains but, IMHO, it makes the car less of an enjoyable GT car.
I am sure I will end up doing that for comparative purposes so long as I find favour with the car tomorrow.As others are saying the v12 specialness is a big draw but I also love the beauty of a 308 its just so God damn pretty.
That said so long as I hold my nerve i am favouring pulling the pin on a V12 either the 599 or Vanquish which is also very pretty and sounds awesome
Tbh I am still gathering my thoughts on both cars.
Strangely both cars have posed questions I hadn't thought of and left me a little confused.
The ferrari was far more sports car (as opposed to GT car) than I had expected. It was loud, aggressive and very quick. I felt I had to be 'on it' to stop it biting me but I also felt it was very exciting in that you had to put more into it to get from A to B. The engine was awesome, very loud very aggressive and hugely potent revving up very very quickly. Spinning up in 3rd at 80 ish when flooring the throttle.
The Aston was (being a modern car) far easier to drive, sounded better and was far more practicle car as well as a better looking car (in my eyes). A sound system to die for, yes its that good ! However do I want as a new toy something that's really quite accomplished and easy to live with???
in short the 599 with hgte was more of a handful, sharper and very very quick.
The Aston was still quick with 568bhp but wasn't aggressive like the fezza. It was much easier to go quickly and seemed better built with fit and finish extremely good though it was also newer.
Neither car left thinking I must have this thing in my life hence being a bit confused.
Ibthink I need to source a non hgte car and try that as at the moment the hgte version just isn't for me. Its sortifies a GT car but I don't want a hard core sports car so maybe a softer version would be a better fit?
As it stands tonight I would take the Aston over the 599 hgte but if I did that it's so accomplished I probably wouldn't need my 7 series daily driver so is it special enough........oh this is really difficult.
Let me reiterate I am not a rich individual and this is after years of saving and dreaming so I need to get it right and have 'something' that puts a cheeky smile on my face everytime that garage door goes up.
Strangely both cars have posed questions I hadn't thought of and left me a little confused.
The ferrari was far more sports car (as opposed to GT car) than I had expected. It was loud, aggressive and very quick. I felt I had to be 'on it' to stop it biting me but I also felt it was very exciting in that you had to put more into it to get from A to B. The engine was awesome, very loud very aggressive and hugely potent revving up very very quickly. Spinning up in 3rd at 80 ish when flooring the throttle.
The Aston was (being a modern car) far easier to drive, sounded better and was far more practicle car as well as a better looking car (in my eyes). A sound system to die for, yes its that good ! However do I want as a new toy something that's really quite accomplished and easy to live with???
in short the 599 with hgte was more of a handful, sharper and very very quick.
The Aston was still quick with 568bhp but wasn't aggressive like the fezza. It was much easier to go quickly and seemed better built with fit and finish extremely good though it was also newer.
Neither car left thinking I must have this thing in my life hence being a bit confused.
Ibthink I need to source a non hgte car and try that as at the moment the hgte version just isn't for me. Its sortifies a GT car but I don't want a hard core sports car so maybe a softer version would be a better fit?
As it stands tonight I would take the Aston over the 599 hgte but if I did that it's so accomplished I probably wouldn't need my 7 series daily driver so is it special enough........oh this is really difficult.
Let me reiterate I am not a rich individual and this is after years of saving and dreaming so I need to get it right and have 'something' that puts a cheeky smile on my face everytime that garage door goes up.
By all means try a non HGTE 599 but I have always taken the view (being well off but nothing like as rich as some on here), if I don’t feel I absolutely have to have the car then I won’t buy it. As my regular Ferrari dealer always says “I sell things people don’t need” and so until you find that car that screams “buy me”, don’t waste your money.
And this my dear chap is the problem, to which I refer you back to my post. The 568hp Vanquish isn’t special and never feels special because you always know there is the S. Which is more special.
The 599 should always feel more special, however, I am a firm believer in that outside of the GTO, Ferrari never got it quite right.
This is why so many ppl in this situation get themselves talked into trying the F12. Then shout and scream and curse. The reality is, unfortunately, the F12 is a country league above both those cars.
The previous poster is correct, you don’t need any of this crap. They are silly cars purely about pandering to your ego. Unfortunately, that means everything involved here is based on intangibles about how good you want your ego to feel. And as soon as that is the case, the word compromise only makes you annoyed and both the 599 and Vanquish are compromises. It’s really bloody annoying.
The 599 should always feel more special, however, I am a firm believer in that outside of the GTO, Ferrari never got it quite right.
This is why so many ppl in this situation get themselves talked into trying the F12. Then shout and scream and curse. The reality is, unfortunately, the F12 is a country league above both those cars.
The previous poster is correct, you don’t need any of this crap. They are silly cars purely about pandering to your ego. Unfortunately, that means everything involved here is based on intangibles about how good you want your ego to feel. And as soon as that is the case, the word compromise only makes you annoyed and both the 599 and Vanquish are compromises. It’s really bloody annoying.
Longy, I also refer you back to my original suggestion. The F12 is out of budget. The FF is in budget and is more GT than 599, more special than Vanquish and sounds better than both of them.
You owe yourself a test drive of one even if it looks a bit too modern to your eye.
And if you haven't watched the Chris Harris review of it before then you should as he absolutely nails what this car is all about.
You owe yourself a test drive of one even if it looks a bit too modern to your eye.
And if you haven't watched the Chris Harris review of it before then you should as he absolutely nails what this car is all about.
Edited by ANOpax on Saturday 15th January 11:57
I think both your comments are very valid. Silly toys for the boys.
Knowing about the S version of the Vanquish wouldn't bother me as with the 599 the HGTE version apparantly being the one to have but for me it takes the car in the wrong direction.
So I am going to source and try a non hgte which will confuse even more or will write it off my shopping list once and for all.
I think I found a 308 (may have been a 328) in a similar area to might try that too as both about 180 miles away from me.
As for the Aston, been looking at the 6 spd vanquish 2012 to 2015MY which would save me about £20k and then that price point throws up a late DB9 Volante... .all tempting but I know the Vanquish is an all carbon shell not steel or aluminium and I think THAT would bug me if I went for a DB9.
Like was said above unless it says " buy me very loudly" I should keep looking and save my money until I come across the right car.
I will teach out to the dealers with the 599 and 308 and see if I can sort something for next week
Knowing about the S version of the Vanquish wouldn't bother me as with the 599 the HGTE version apparantly being the one to have but for me it takes the car in the wrong direction.
So I am going to source and try a non hgte which will confuse even more or will write it off my shopping list once and for all.
I think I found a 308 (may have been a 328) in a similar area to might try that too as both about 180 miles away from me.
As for the Aston, been looking at the 6 spd vanquish 2012 to 2015MY which would save me about £20k and then that price point throws up a late DB9 Volante... .all tempting but I know the Vanquish is an all carbon shell not steel or aluminium and I think THAT would bug me if I went for a DB9.
Like was said above unless it says " buy me very loudly" I should keep looking and save my money until I come across the right car.
I will teach out to the dealers with the 599 and 308 and see if I can sort something for next week
Longy00000 said:
Tbh I am still gathering my thoughts on both cars.
Strangely both cars have posed questions I hadn't thought of and left me a little confused.
The ferrari was far more sports car (as opposed to GT car) than I had expected. It was loud, aggressive and very quick. I felt I had to be 'on it' to stop it biting me but I also felt it was very exciting in that you had to put more into it to get from A to B. The engine was awesome, very loud very aggressive and hugely potent revving up very very quickly. Spinning up in 3rd at 80 ish when flooring the throttle.
The Aston was (being a modern car) far easier to drive, sounded better and was far more practicle car as well as a better looking car (in my eyes). A sound system to die for, yes its that good ! However do I want as a new toy something that's really quite accomplished and easy to live with???
in short the 599 with hgte was more of a handful, sharper and very very quick.
The Aston was still quick with 568bhp but wasn't aggressive like the fezza. It was much easier to go quickly and seemed better built with fit and finish extremely good though it was also newer.
Neither car left thinking I must have this thing in my life hence being a bit confused.
Ibthink I need to source a non hgte car and try that as at the moment the hgte version just isn't for me. Its sortifies a GT car but I don't want a hard core sports car so maybe a softer version would be a better fit?
As it stands tonight I would take the Aston over the 599 hgte but if I did that it's so accomplished I probably wouldn't need my 7 series daily driver so is it special enough........oh this is really difficult.
Let me reiterate I am not a rich individual and this is after years of saving and dreaming so I need to get it right and have 'something' that puts a cheeky smile on my face everytime that garage door goes up.
Sounds like you'll be scratching that 599 itch prior to landing a 308 Strangely both cars have posed questions I hadn't thought of and left me a little confused.
The ferrari was far more sports car (as opposed to GT car) than I had expected. It was loud, aggressive and very quick. I felt I had to be 'on it' to stop it biting me but I also felt it was very exciting in that you had to put more into it to get from A to B. The engine was awesome, very loud very aggressive and hugely potent revving up very very quickly. Spinning up in 3rd at 80 ish when flooring the throttle.
The Aston was (being a modern car) far easier to drive, sounded better and was far more practicle car as well as a better looking car (in my eyes). A sound system to die for, yes its that good ! However do I want as a new toy something that's really quite accomplished and easy to live with???
in short the 599 with hgte was more of a handful, sharper and very very quick.
The Aston was still quick with 568bhp but wasn't aggressive like the fezza. It was much easier to go quickly and seemed better built with fit and finish extremely good though it was also newer.
Neither car left thinking I must have this thing in my life hence being a bit confused.
Ibthink I need to source a non hgte car and try that as at the moment the hgte version just isn't for me. Its sortifies a GT car but I don't want a hard core sports car so maybe a softer version would be a better fit?
As it stands tonight I would take the Aston over the 599 hgte but if I did that it's so accomplished I probably wouldn't need my 7 series daily driver so is it special enough........oh this is really difficult.
Let me reiterate I am not a rich individual and this is after years of saving and dreaming so I need to get it right and have 'something' that puts a cheeky smile on my face everytime that garage door goes up.
ANOpax said:
Longy, I also refer you back to my original suggestion. The F12 is out of budget. The FF is in budget and is more GT than 599, more special than Vanquish and sounds better than both of them.
You owe yourself a test drive of one even if it looks a bit too modern to your eye.
And if you haven't watched the Chris Harris review of it before then you should as he absolutely nails what this car is all about.
You sure an FF sounds better than a 599?You owe yourself a test drive of one even if it looks a bit too modern to your eye.
And if you haven't watched the Chris Harris review of it before then you should as he absolutely nails what this car is all about.
Edited by ANOpax on Saturday 15th January 11:57
Iwontlietoyou said:
You sure an FF sounds better than a 599?
Absolutely.The 599 sounds quite lame compared to the FF even though the FF engine is an evolution of the one from the 599 (which, in turn, is derived from the Enzo's block).
But hey, don't take my word for it, watch the Harris review of the FF in my prior post and then watch his review of the 599 here . The production values should be the same making it a fair comparison.
The FF is louder at startup and has a more harmonically rich exhaust note with higher frequencies in the mix. The 599 exhaust note is a bit baritone and one-dimensional in comparison.
I can't find a video of the FF compared to the Vanquish but here's one by Catchpole comparing the F12 to the Vanquish. The FF and F12 engines sound very similar so it's a reasonable comparison to make.
And for an FF unleashed by Kline, check out this video
Edited by ANOpax on Saturday 15th January 13:48
The FF just isn't on my radar, no reason why it just doesnt capture my attention or appear on my wishlist. I'm absolutely convinced it is a magnificent machine like a 458 or 488 and mamy others, but just not my bag and can't say why.
My dream cars would be countch qv, aston v8 vantage x pack or a ferrari BBi all of which are beyond myreach and I'm sure all would excite and dissapoint in equal measure which just emphasises how this is just a subjective and emotional yet erational purchase!!!!
My dream cars would be countch qv, aston v8 vantage x pack or a ferrari BBi all of which are beyond myreach and I'm sure all would excite and dissapoint in equal measure which just emphasises how this is just a subjective and emotional yet erational purchase!!!!
Edited by Longy00000 on Saturday 15th January 14:07
Longy00000 said:
The FF just isn't on my radar, no reason why it just doesnt capture my attention or appear on my wishlist... ...but just not my bag and can't say why.
My dream cars would be countch qv, aston v8 vantage x pack or a ferrari BBi all of which are beyond my reach.
Fair enough My dream cars would be countch qv, aston v8 vantage x pack or a ferrari BBi all of which are beyond my reach.
Anopax the exhaust was one of the annoyances I had with 599 HGTE for me it's was too in my face and was seriously loud and intrusive in the cabin in every gear other than 6th. Dealer confirmed to me that it is a different system to a standard 599 hence louder and why I think a std 599 might be a better fit if that makes sense?
We have been known to trek down to South of France and the HGTE would probably do my head in on such a long trip. The Aston was louder especially on start up but it would settle down on a steady throttle and only made itself heard when pushing the loud pedal towards the carpet.
I'm just old as my son in his 30s would have loved the HGTE
We have been known to trek down to South of France and the HGTE would probably do my head in on such a long trip. The Aston was louder especially on start up but it would settle down on a steady throttle and only made itself heard when pushing the loud pedal towards the carpet.
I'm just old as my son in his 30s would have loved the HGTE
Longy,
Everything you said made perfect sense. One of the reasons that my F355 with Tubi had to go was that my wife couldn't tolerate the exhaust drone on long trips. I don't know if the 599's exhaust valve opening is dependent on the manettino setting so do look into that on your next test drive.
In the 458/FF/F12 generation of cars, the manettino also controls the rpm at which the valves open and how quickly they open when you press the throttle pedal. Driving the FF in sport on the motorway can be tiresome so I put it into comfort even though it makes the gear changes a little dim witted.
Everything you said made perfect sense. One of the reasons that my F355 with Tubi had to go was that my wife couldn't tolerate the exhaust drone on long trips. I don't know if the 599's exhaust valve opening is dependent on the manettino setting so do look into that on your next test drive.
In the 458/FF/F12 generation of cars, the manettino also controls the rpm at which the valves open and how quickly they open when you press the throttle pedal. Driving the FF in sport on the motorway can be tiresome so I put it into comfort even though it makes the gear changes a little dim witted.
Ha , the only lambos I can afford aren't for sale !
Jalpa yes, but only a handful built in rhd and not much for sale
Gallardo, no not my thing
Huracan no too modern
Countach and diabolo, not enough pennies in the bank
At this rate probably end up with a 911 (yes I like them but not exactly rare) I like the 930 turbo but anything around £100k is probably a bit ropey
So I shall continue with the 599, aston and 308 / 328 for now
Jalpa yes, but only a handful built in rhd and not much for sale
Gallardo, no not my thing
Huracan no too modern
Countach and diabolo, not enough pennies in the bank
At this rate probably end up with a 911 (yes I like them but not exactly rare) I like the 930 turbo but anything around £100k is probably a bit ropey
So I shall continue with the 599, aston and 308 / 328 for now
Completely understand the lack of interest FF, I’m sure both it and the gtc4 are amazing cars but damn they’re ugly (eye of the beholder disclaimer etc).
It feels a bit like the German trio question of BMW, Audi and Mercedes, sporty end, in between, comfort end except here it’s Ferrari, Aston and I guess Bentley at the comfort end of the GT class.
Personal advice, if you want to scratch the Ferrari at some point in your life, there’s no time like the present assuming it’s within budget. Other cars will always be more comfortable but having just gotten my first Ferrari in November (Roma), I can safely say that although I initially felt similar to you in the need to always be “on it” while driving it, it only took a couple of weeks to get used to it and now it feels as easy to drive as the Honda Civic or boxster we have (with the exception of navigating parking lots!)
It feels a bit like the German trio question of BMW, Audi and Mercedes, sporty end, in between, comfort end except here it’s Ferrari, Aston and I guess Bentley at the comfort end of the GT class.
Personal advice, if you want to scratch the Ferrari at some point in your life, there’s no time like the present assuming it’s within budget. Other cars will always be more comfortable but having just gotten my first Ferrari in November (Roma), I can safely say that although I initially felt similar to you in the need to always be “on it” while driving it, it only took a couple of weeks to get used to it and now it feels as easy to drive as the Honda Civic or boxster we have (with the exception of navigating parking lots!)
Edited by Soleith on Monday 17th January 09:09
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