750s or...?

[easytiger123]

Left-field choice...Noble M600 Speedster.

[garystoybox]

964Cup said:

Indeed. But you find a spider in a non-shouty colour with a light luxury interior, electro roof, exterior carbon 1 and interior carbon 1 & 2 and B&W. [Seriously if you find one, I'll buy it].

Frankly at this stage I'd take one with a black lux interior if I had to. There's a silver car at Ascot that might do the job in extremis (wrong interior completely and no interior carbon 2) but they're remarkably aggressive on cost to change. Maybe I should just suck that up. I've missed a couple of cars that approximated what I'm looking for from them because they wouldn't move on price and underbid me £15k on my car (compared to other Mcdealers). It's not the money so much as the principle - and no, I can't explain why overpaying £25k for a used 720 puts me off when instantly losing £100k on a new one is somehow fine.

The whole dark grey alcantara on everything approach leaves me cold - or worse, the dark grey alcantara with shouty orange inserts thing. I do wish McLaren produced more cars with Ferrari-like interiors. I like a bit of light-coloured leather with interesting upholstery detail - this is pretty much the spec of my 750 order: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202304066...

I might have to go and look at it but I'm just not a Ferrari person, I think

God, I loved my 488 spider; such great value, very quick and look tremendous in Blue Corsa. Go see it; I’ll think you’ll love it…

[WCZ]

Mc20 was my first thought, not great for luggage though but it’s a special car

[fridaypassion]

With that budget the only car for me would be the 458 Speciale

For more modern cars there's not much to touch the McLarens but I would probably go for a 764LT you'll certainly have more of a chance of it holding money the 750 will burn 100k the second you own it.

[TP321]

What was the price with spec for the 765lt coupe and spider? Are they still overs?

[964Cup]

fridaypassion said:

With that budget the only car for me would be the 458 Speciale

For more modern cars there's not much to touch the McLarens but I would probably go for a 764LT you'll certainly have more of a chance of it holding money the 750 will burn 100k the second you own it.

The only 458 Speciale Aperta in the classifieds is £700k, so I'm not sure it's quite in budget.

The trouble with 765s is that they tend to be, erm, individual specifications. I'm not a huge fan of the looks, either. They're also still somewhat over budget but prices are falling, so I'm not sure they're as a safe a bet as you think - especially since I like to drive my cars and 765s are hugely mileage-sensitive.

I'm really not that bothered about residuals, though. I grew up buying cars before the market went silly, so my general expectation is to lose my shirt on all of them. As a consequence, though, I have no fear of putting miles on them either. It seems a terrible shame to me that so many cars are barely driven - all these 458s that have done 10,000 miles in 10 years (the *highest* mileage Speciale in the classifieds has done 13,000 since 2014). I did 30,000 miles in four years in a 993 RS back in the day, including about 5,000 on track. Still the best driver's car I've ever owned, but I sold it for £26,000 (in the early 2000s) which represented about a 40% drop from what I'd paid for it.

[964Cup]

TP321 said:

What was the price with spec for the 765lt coupe and spider? Are they still overs?

Still a little over, I think - about £380k for a spider without loony MSO options, £320-£350k for a coupe. I'd guess coupes specced out to about £280-300k, with spiders coming in around £30k more. Although Glasgow has a coupe for under £300k, which is the first time I've seen that - not that I've been following prices that closely.

[rawenghey]

Assuming if you bought the spider then the coupe would get traded in, as I don't see the point in keeping both.

If you're keeping the coupe, then I think the 812 GTS would be a great partner in crime. Ballistic in a straight line with the NA V12 sound track, looks the business and properly upholstered with the lighter leather options. I'm with you on the preference for light coloured leathers over wannabe racecar alcantara nonsense too.

Either way, a wonderful position to be in. Well played

[964Cup]

rawenghey said:

Assuming if you bought the spider then the coupe would get traded in, as I don't see the point in keeping both.

If you're keeping the coupe, then I think the 812 GTS would be a great partner in crime. Ballistic in a straight line with the NA V12 sound track, looks the business and properly upholstered with the lighter leather options. I'm with you on the preference for light coloured leathers over wannabe racecar alcantara nonsense too.

Either way, a wonderful position to be in. Well played

Thank you. Interesting that you bring that up. I've certainly told my wife that I will be trading in the coupe. But I think the coupe is a better resolved design than the spider and I'm very fond of mine. I usually end up regretting selling my cars (and look like the world's worst investor - 993RS sold for £26k, 964 Turbo 3.6 sold for £35k, GT3 mk1 sold for £45k, shall I go on?). So I am tempted to squirrel it away somewhere. Which does raise the question of whether I actually need two McLaren 7x0s. I'll have to go and look at an 812, and at the 488. And, I suppose, at an MC20 although I think the bootspace issue will be a problem.

Interesting that no-one has mentioned Astons. No love for the DBS or the new DB12?

[rawenghey]

964Cup said:

Thank you. Interesting that you bring that up. I've certainly told my wife that I will be trading in the coupe. But I think the coupe is a better resolved design than the spider and I'm very fond of mine. I usually end up regretting selling my cars (and look like the world's worst investor - 993RS sold for £26k, 964 Turbo 3.6 sold for £35k, GT3 mk1 sold for £45k, shall I go on?). So I am tempted to squirrel it away somewhere. Which does raise the question of whether I actually need two McLaren 7x0s. I'll have to go and look at an 812, and at the 488. And, I suppose, at an MC20 although I think the bootspace issue will be a problem.

Interesting that no-one has mentioned Astons. No love for the DBS or the new DB12?

Starting from scratch I'd prefer something like a 488 coupe and a McLaren spider due the carbon tub. I also prefer Ferrari's slightly more subdued styling overall. I do wonder how different they're all going to feel from each other, though, when they're all 200mph+, mid-engined, high-powered turbocharged monsters. Hence the FR V12 suggestion. You're right on the Astons actually, maybe they would provide a different experience.

On the buying and selling side, it sounds like you have the right attitude to be honest man. Buy them, enjoy them, sell them. Nobody's gonna give us a score card once all is said and done. Interested to see what you end up in.

[964Cup]

rawenghey said:

Starting from scratch I'd prefer something like a 488 coupe and a McLaren spider due the carbon tub. I also prefer Ferrari's slightly more subdued styling overall. I do wonder how different they're all going to feel from each other, though, when they're all 200mph+, mid-engined, high-powered turbocharged monsters. Hence the FR V12 suggestion. You're right on the Astons actually, maybe they would provide a different experience.

On the buying and selling side, it sounds like you have the right attitude to be honest man. Buy them, enjoy them, sell them. Nobody's gonna give us a score card once all is said and done. Interested to see what you end up in.

It's a horses for courses sort of thing - I have:

• a purple 991.1 GT3RS for track days - it's too lairy for my purposes elsewhere, although I'll have to bring it to one of the PH GT days at some point;
• a rather lovely (though I say so myself) and rare 964 widebody cabriolet that I have just had fully rebuilt and restomodded for noodling about on the continent and general posing; a car on which I have lavished care and expense far in excess of its value;
• an ex-HSCC racecar 356SC that's been put back to road spec but with the race engine. I don't know what this is for, really, but I love it - perhaps its main value is that you can hoon it flat out round Goodwood without scaring the bejesus out of yourself and look period while you're at it. Oh, and for going to the Revival;
• a variety of boring family things - Ovlov Chelsea tractor, BMW milk float for my wife to smoke about in smokelessly, delightful old new Fiat 500 for unsuitable locations and offspring learner driving duties;
• ...and a Peugeot 304S cabriolet that is technically my wife's, lives in France, and is almost certainly terminally broken. Again. Classics. Feh.

So the McLaren/Ferrari/Aston/whatever needs to be a) an actual car that works all the time for actually getting to places without death from SUV-induced boredom b) also suitable for continental touring (because who tries to have fun on the roads in the SE of England?) and therefore equipped with almost enough luggage space for all the shoes and c) capable of organ-rearranging levels of maximum attack when an appropriate mountain road presents itself during (b). I don't really need two of these - nor would I have the time to drive them, nor would I want the agony of choosing which to take.

But when did necessity ever feature in these calculations?

[The Surveyor]

If you like your Porsches, can you find a 991 Speedster for sale. They are similar price to the 750 spider, would be sufficiently swift and exotic whilst being as good as money in the bank from a future value perspective!

Edited by The Surveyor on Saturday 24th June 11:16

[964Cup]

Interim (at least) solution now inbound. Will update on Wednesday...

[Lord_Howit_Hertz]

Just a curious bystander!

[964Cup]

Interim solution.

[samoht]

Oh wow, that's gorgeous. The colour, the wheels, the contrast to the black bits. And do I spy a leather (not alcantara) interior also?

Great stuff - I'll be interested to hear how ownership compares with the coupe you've swapped out of, esp regarding the luggage space / open air trade-off.

[RSbandit]

V nice …Ludus blue? did they give you a guaranteed trade in price once the 750s is ready ?!

[964Cup]

RSbandit said:

V nice …Ludus blue? did they give you a guaranteed trade in price once the 750s is ready ?!

Belize. And no - different dealer. That was originally the plan, but they couldn't source the right car.

On the other hand, this was at the time the cheapest 720 spider in the country, so I think I bought it fairly well. Although the trade-in price on my coupe was matchingly painful. I suppose I could have sold it myself, but I can never be bothered with that. I did think about keeping it, but even I couldn't come up with a good reason to own two 720s.

[964Cup]

samoht said:

Oh wow, that's gorgeous. The colour, the wheels, the contrast to the black bits. And do I spy a leather (not alcantara) interior also?

Great stuff - I'll be interested to hear how ownership compares with the coupe you've swapped out of, esp regarding the luggage space / open air trade-off.

Yes - luxury interior was a must-have. I would have preferred almond white, but not in a belize car. There is one almond white lux spider available, but it's volcano red (I think the car's at McBrum, from memory). That's not a combination for me on a McLaren - too Ferrari-esque. So a black (well, dark grey, if we're honest) lux interior in a light exterior was a good second choice.

WRT luggage space I've started to find tours that have a separate service vehicle that carries your luggage from place to place. Given that noodling about in a supercar is already fairly indulgent, adding that doesn't seem too ridiculous. Otherwise I guess I'll just have to pack lighter still to leave room for all the shoes.

[Kerniki]

Bloody hell, I could have written that!

Only thing on the modern front I’ve considered is the DBS cabriolet but I wouldn’t get rid of the 720 for it.

The Maserati Cielo is a good shout but still rare as rocking horse and a 720 spider is still better imo.