360 Modena tuning options

[456mgt]

Having panned the Italian car magazine Autoitalia, the November 2002 issue does have an interesting article about getting an extra 25-30bhp from a 360. The article is about work on the ECU by German tuner Digi-Tec.

The bhp increase comes from raising the rev limit from 8,700 to 9,200 (like it!) which means more fuel, but not increased ignition as this is already close to the limit on the stock engine (what does this mean?). The stock unit runs on the lean side so they needed to increase fueling to prevent pinking. This makes the motor run cooler as well (and probably does wonders for fuel 'economy').

Apparently on a '99 car like mine, the top speed is limited to 188mph; 194mph for 2001 MY on. If you hit this limit three times in a row, the ECU will shut down the engine. You have to coast to a stop, switch off the engine & restart. The conversion allows the 198mph top speed to be reached so the car 'can run with a 550 Maranello or a GT2'.

New, the engines vary from 379-397bhp and improve with use, making closer to the claimed 400 by 5000kms and continue to get better up to 12,000kms, when they stabilise at 400bhp or above.

Didn't know this before so I've assumed others don't either.

You can send your ECU to them for reprogramming or they will send you a new one for E1500. They provide a warranty for their work for £100 per annum.
www.digi-tec.net

[Dazren]

When I visited them in may enroute to the ring, they had a 360 putting out 440bhp, but that had a different exhaust as well as the ECU reprogramming. The real shocker though was a RS4 putting putting out 620bhp. They also had audi TTs puting out 350bhp and the most powerful VW beetle "on the planet"

DAZ

A mate of mine had a 84bhp Smart conversion from them!!

>> Edited by Dazren on Sunday 27th October 01:16

[456mgt]

Dazren said: When I visited them in may enroute to the ring, they had a 360 putting out 440bhp, but that had a different exhaust as well as the ECU reprogramming. The real shocker though was a RS4 putting putting out 620bhp. They also had audi TTs puting out 350bhp and the most powerful VW beetle "on the planet"

DAZ

A mate of mine had a 84bhp Smart conversion from them!!

Thanks for the info Daz! That RS4 is shocking. In comparison, a 10% power uplift in the 360 doesn't seem so dramatic. The article above did mention a sports exhaust (no effect on bhp) as well as uprated brakes and calibration of suspension geometry. I didn't understand the exhaust bit; they said their customers preferred the bassy notes of a 355 exhaust to the F1 howl of the stock 360 Their exhaust sounds like a 355. The photograph of the 360 spider engine bay allegedly fitted with one of DTs exhausts showed what looked to me a Tubi silencer.

If they're on the way to the 'ring may be worth a trip.

Cheers

Kev

[rich1231]

Kev/Daz,

I had a heavily tuned Audi TT Roadster (brakes/suspension/engine/Turbo) before the current machines and I can tell you for sure that the chassis of the Audi TT does not feel comfortable with the extra power. The RS4 is cool, but any production Turbo car with a few ECU tweaks can have large HP increases. Hopefully when i can swallow the loss of warranty I will make some changes to the 996TT. The 360 being an ultra rare car would mean that good tuners were few and far between.
Does the Tubi system bring any power benefits?

Rich

[456mgt]

rich1231 said: Does the Tubi system bring any power benefits?

Manu or Ajay are the best people to answer this one Rich. Power delivery definitely feels quicker and more linear now, presumably because I don't have the exhaust valves. It sounds faster too


Kev

ps Spider OK after the gales?

[rich1231]

Kev,

the car is fine. A bit dirtier than when i collected it. I didnt dare put the cover on in this weather, I would have been handgliding across europe if I had.

Rich

[Dazren]

If they're on the way to the 'ring may be worth a trip.

Hi Kev.

They are not strictly on route to the Ring (for you or I going from Calais). I went there with another car nut (Ferrari owning Smart tuner!) going from Hull to Rotterdam on the overnight ferry. Their HQ is in a place called Dattaln (Sp?) a few miles north of Dortmund.

They don't have much "stock" to look at as they are a tuning company, but we were lucky when there and it also helped with my mate knowing one of the bosses there, a guy called Jorge.

cheers

DAZ

PS - Kev if you want to know about 360 tuning speak to Jorge, they really do test engines etc to destruction before selling the upgrades (He speaks excellent English).



>> Edited by Dazren on Sunday 27th October 22:51

[manu]

Hey everyone.
Digi-tech are right about the 360 not actually kicking out 400hp from the off. In fact you'll be lucky if it's kicking out 390hp. It's only after they've been "properly" used that they really release *close to* the output they say they release.

I'd hesistate to have my rev-limit messed around with when the car already revs to ~8700rpm... becuase I'm not sure what implications that would have for reliability. Obviously exhaust, cat-pipes, are are fairly straightforward way of adding grunt - but another way is remapping fuelling - say you run straight pipes out to the back - just map the ECU to ignore all emissions constraints so it doesn't have to trim back fueling to be comply with emissions and you can release a LOT more power. I've seen German 550s running 571hp like this!! Which for a 5.5 engine is impressively over 100hp per litre - which is frankly devastating. You'll probably will lose low-down urge but with 570 at the top end who cares.
Things is you're now in the realm of tuner, and depending on how extreme you want the set-up from what little I know about this (looked at various options myself some time ago), you need to watch out for fuel octane sensitivity and other erm.... "variables" etc..... whoa!

In fact Kev, I spoke to Luigi last week, (who has installed the bits we sent him) about the cat-replacements and he said the result is:
a) amazing
b) E X T R E M E
Even the oh-so-cool Milanese are just staring in disbelief as he trundles down the road at very low speeds blasting holes in walls.

>> Edited by manu on Monday 28th October 11:28

>> Edited by manu on Monday 28th October 11:29

[456mgt]

manu said: In fact Kev, I spoke to Luigi last week, (who has installed the bits we sent him) about the cat-replacements and he said the result is:
a) amazing
b) E X T R E M E
Even the oh-so-cool Milanese are just staring in disbelief as he trundles down the road at very low speeds blasting holes in walls

As has been said many times before Manu; you're a very bad man! My catalyst is all that stands between me and a restraining order Luigi sounds just the sort of nut case who'd feel at home here and I really do think we should go out and say hello to him then burn a few poodles on the over run.

[LG1]

Sorry it took me so long to post regarding the tubi sport package, but the police wouldn't define my bail until today!
Imagine a cross between an F50 and a 2002 Ferrari F1 car(more towards the latter) and you might understand what I'm talking about!
And I'm not talking metaphorically...
The sound has improved so much throughout the rev range, especially at low rpms, and I'd say the overall loudness is more than twice that of the 360 with only the Tubi silencer.
The added performance is really noticeable, the car feels now a little less quick at very low rpms but the throttle response is much improved and at mid to high revs you really feel it accelerating with substantially more vigour.

Only drawback is that now all the people stop and stare, even from a mile away!!!

Kevin, Monza will be open some day mid November, why don't we organize and meet then?

[456mgt]

Luigi- believe me I've heard ALL about your exhaust system and its effect on the local residents. If you think twice before burying the throttle then you are either socially responsible or it's more than twice as loud as the Tubi only option. Thing is, your definition of 'loud' changes over time; I used to think the Koenigs on the 456 were loud...... And now I'm seriously curious to know what the cars would sound like with little if any silencing.

Would love to pop over and hear this for myself. D'you think I could interest the missus in a days shopping in Milan? Yep, so do I. Don't know if I can make it in November but if you're up for it I'll start planning!

Cheers Luigi!

Kevin

[okey]

yikes, 2*the noise of the Tubi..
what have you done.. ? I have the tubi and it is loud enough, but now you got me thinking..

did the dockland tunnels about 10 times ;-00 with another 360M, 550M and 355F1 (all with tubis) sounded like F1 came to town..
would like to hear yours though !

[rich1231]

Welcome Okey,

All these exhaust mods! mumble grumble grrrr

I have to say the 360 Spid, through the underpass in the middle of southend at the weekend was way louder than the 355. I made so many people think the world was ending it was great. God alone knows what it sounds like with a TUBI!!!!!!!! Kev, you coming to the casino night in Southend and you can let me hear yours. please.

Rich

[okey]

hey Chris if you are thinking of it, dont bother listening to the tubi... on a 355 it sounds like F1 on the 360 it sounds like F1 gone wrong !!!!

You will end up getting one...

The nice thing about it is that you dont have to delve into 4,200 RPM to get that rasping sound when the all the restrictive valves open...

you can drive at 10mph and get all the pops and bangs on the overrun... MAD !!

I am up for a run anytime... so are three other mad drivers !!

[456mgt]

Rich- won't be coming to the casino night but it sounds like you may get a Tubi posse down there anyway! You're welcome to swing by this way if you feel like a good run, and Scuderias is always a good meeting up point, particularly for the now traditional 'Maranello flypast'.

And you don't have to be Mystic Meg to forsee a Tubi in your destiny somewhere. It would be an absolute must video moment to get a decent number of Tubi cars in one place at the same time.

[rich1231]

Kev,
if I can get the dealer to allow the warranty to be unhindered by a TUBI I will get one. And for the 996TT, she is feeling all alone.

So are you going to have the 360 modded?

Rich

[456mgt]

rich1231 said: Kev,
if I can get the dealer to allow the warranty to be unhindered by a TUBI I will get one. And for the 996TT, she is feeling all alone.

So are you going to have the 360 modded?

Rich

Good luck on this Rich; suspect this and the 360 question is what's holding Ninja back too. Ferrari need to wake up over this one and they'll never sell their over priced warranties. I've not bothered extending mine.

I posted about that article because I thought it had some interesting info,not because I think the Modena is under powered! And I'm not sure whether or not to keep it. I could certainly get something different but unless it's something like an F50 (which I can't afford Manu ) I'm not sure it would be better (my definition, not objective). On balance I'll probably keep it, since I'm having too much fun to relinquish it just yet. It's been at Maranellos for the last couple of weeks to replace the oil temp sender and battery backup pack for the alarm siren (both of them common niggles on the 360) and I've missed it hugely. Especially the sound of it....

I'm not in HURRY to get more power from the Modena,

[360N-GT]

I've put this on another thread, but for tuning you could do much worse than fit a wing.

see www.procar.com.au or www.prancinghorse.com.au image galleries for our wings, splitters and flip up's.

I've also got many varied ride height and wheel alignment configurations for road/sprint/track use etc.

[bluesatin]

Kevin

Have you seen that G-Force Motorsport have a 360 Challenge 2002 for sale at £80,000 plus VAT. I am sure you could swap the bits over!